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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 14, 2017 14:25:25 GMT
That definitely describes some of the trolls on this board, but that isn't what he's saying here. He's saying you have more creative freedom when you aren't worried about selling toys. There are certain guidelines you have to follow if you want to market the film to children. It all goes back to McDonalds getting angry about Batman Returns because they thought Happy Meal toys shouldn't feature creepy characters who kill and sexually assault people (Penguin). It's odd, because they made a Friday the 13th NES game in the 80s which was definitely marketed to kids, but I have to say that would never happen today. The Winter Soldier is an example of a CBM for adults, so it can be done and done very well. But there's no way Disney makes Logan or Deadpool, and that's the real issue. Those films simply would not exist if every film had to follow some studio mandate regarding marketing to the widest possible audience. He understands all of this. He's just acting like this because Of all the pretentious folks who think an "R" rating makes something automatically good.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Dec 14, 2017 14:29:52 GMT
He understands all of this. He's just acting like this because Of all the pretentious folks who think an "R" rating makes something automatically good. I was telling him that your autistic nattering don't warrant a response. It was a conversation between two adults. Go play with your blocks.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 14, 2017 14:30:30 GMT
I've seen that complaint a lot and I really never saw it that way. He always was in total control, he always killed who he wanted to kill no matter how secure and guarded they were, he always had bombs in the right place, people always did exactly as he ordered them or as he predicted, etc. It's why I loved the first season of the Following so much, it deconstructed this type of character and pointed out how schemes like his could fall apart so easily. He tried to kill the mayor and failed. He tried to get the ferries to blow each other up and failed. He tried to get people to kill Reese and failed.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 14, 2017 14:43:20 GMT
That definitely describes some of the trolls on this board, but that isn't what he's saying here. He's saying you have more creative freedom when you aren't worried about selling toys. There are certain guidelines you have to follow if you want to market the film to children. It all goes back to McDonalds getting angry about Batman Returns because they thought Happy Meal toys shouldn't feature creepy characters who kill and sexually assault people (Penguin). It's odd, because they made a Friday the 13th NES game in the 80s which was definitely marketed to kids, but I have to say that would never happen today. The Winter Soldier is an example of a CBM for adults, so it can be done and done very well. But there's no way Disney makes Logan or Deadpool, and that's the real issue. Those films simply would not exist if every film had to follow some studio mandate regarding marketing to the widest possible audience. He understands all of this. He's just acting like a disingenuous dickhead because it's all he knows how to do. His empty, sad repetitive little schtick. Everyone has their own opinion and that's fine, I just don't understand the refusal to accept that other studios have made good films, too. I'm not calling him out in particular by saying that, I'm just saying it's something I see on these boards and it's baffling. I prefer Marvel, but Fox and WB/DC have made good movies. The MCU is great overall but not every film has been a home run. If everyone could except that, they'd have a lot more fun talking about this stuff.
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Post by charzhino on Dec 14, 2017 14:50:39 GMT
He understands all of this. He's just acting like a disingenuous dickhead because it's all he knows how to do. His empty, sad repetitive little schtick. Everyone has their own opinion and that's fine, I just don't understand the refusal to accept that other studios have made good films, too. I'm not calling him out in particular by saying that, I'm just saying it's something I see on these boards and it's baffling. I prefer Marvel, but Fox and WB/DC have made good movies. The MCU is great overall but not every film has been a home run. If everyone could except that, they'd have a lot more fun talking about this stuff. Its only the MCU die hards here that refuse to appreciate any other studios work. Its either the MCU or hit the highway. I hope theyre happy with this deal, they will enjoy circle jerking each other because soon, they will be the only ones left on this board.
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Post by scabab on Dec 14, 2017 14:59:32 GMT
And there's always a negative bent to it. No one is curious as to how Disney would do the X-Men in an open-minded way, they're mainly all "Kiss R-Rated X-Men goodbye!" Again pretty understandable, of late Deadpool went R, Logan went R, we now have this New Mutants is this going to be PG-13 or R? I actually don't have a clue. But yes the possibility that unfortunately they might not do that anymore outside of Deadpool. I haven't really seen anything like that from what I can recall but I've certainly not seen anyone complain that it was an R rated gore fest like Saving Private Ryan. They don't mean everyone but Disney taking chances by doing something like that. Making a possible R rated (which it might not be at all) dark horror type movie is not something they seem to want to do just now. That's not a double standard because X-men hasn't gone R rated at all. The Wolverine series is in own separate branch of movies and now that they've gone R rated they would not want them to go back. The primary X-men series however has always been PG-13 so there wouldn't be the same uproar as it would always be expected to be PG-13. If X-men did go R rated and was successful and people liked it and then they followed that up by downgrading it to a PG-13 then people would complain in a similar way.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 14, 2017 15:04:12 GMT
Again pretty understandable, of late Deadpool went R, Logan went R, we now have this New Mutants is this going to be PG-13 or R? I actually don't have a clue. Has it occurred to anyone that maybe Disney will be able to make good X-Men related stuff without having to go hard R? Well, First Avengers gets its complaints for not being more "mature" I'll tell you. It's kind of clear they do, because they keep waving the "R Rating" thing around. Yeah, and fans are okay with THAT but are upset at Disney for not doing the exact same thing. Double standard. They'll say stuff like "If X-Men was still at Fox they'd eventually have made an R Rated X-men film too, now it'll never happen."
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 14, 2017 15:04:49 GMT
Of all the pretentious folks who think an "R" rating makes something automatically good. I was telling him that you talked back and I couldn't handle it. Fixed.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 14, 2017 15:06:38 GMT
He always was in total control, he always killed who he wanted to kill no matter how secure and guarded they were, he always had bombs in the right place, people always did exactly as he ordered them or as he predicted, etc. It's why I loved the first season of the Following so much, it deconstructed this type of character and pointed out how schemes like his could fall apart so easily. He tried to kill the mayor and failed. He tried to get the ferries to blow each other up and failed. He tried to get people to kill Reese and failed. Minor things. I'm talking about how he got everyone to believe he'd bombed the tunnels (odds are he was bluffing, of course), how he said he'd blow up every Hospital, how he had every corrupt cop we saw willing to follow him, how he got those psychos to follow him without any of them screwing up his plans due to their instability, etc.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Dec 14, 2017 15:06:53 GMT
I was telling him that I think you're a little bitch. You're right. I am a miserable fart-sniffing little turd. Looks good. Nice fix.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 14, 2017 15:08:50 GMT
Everyone has their own opinion and that's fine, I just don't understand the refusal to accept that other studios have made good films, too. I'm not calling him out in particular by saying that, I'm just saying it's something I see on these boards and it's baffling. I prefer Marvel, but Fox and WB/DC have made good movies. The MCU is great overall but not every film has been a home run. If everyone could except that, they'd have a lot more fun talking about this stuff. Its only the MCU die hards here that refuse to appreciate any other studios work. Its either the MCU or hit the highway. I hope theyre happy with this deal, they will enjoy circle jerking each other because soon, they will be the only ones left on this board. Consider this payback for how Fox took swipes at every single MCU film.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 14, 2017 15:09:22 GMT
You're right. I am enjoying this victory, but it's one we've earned. Looks good. Nice fix. Yeppers.
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Post by scabab on Dec 14, 2017 15:18:05 GMT
Has it occurred to anyone that maybe Disney will be able to make good X-Men related stuff without having to go hard R? I'm sure they will but people will always like variety. Yeah I get that. It wasn't childish or anything but it wasn't as mature as some other similar War movies I suppose. Nah nobody at all has said they want a complete hard To rated MCU. Well Disney haven't been in that position because they haven't made any R rated movie at all. People would be fine with Wolverine being a PG-13 X-men movie made by Marvel. If they make a lone Wolverine movie though and that was PG-13 then yes people would definitely complain just as they would if Fox had done that. So that's not a double standard. I haven't anyone say that. The comments are in reference to R rated movies that spin off from the X-men series like Deadpool, Logan, New Mutants and Multiple Man. That's something that Marvel don't even want to consider because they put anything that's violent in any way on TV instead.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 14, 2017 15:27:14 GMT
I'm sure they will but people will always like variety. You can have variety with different genres/ideas too, saying it's only due to the rating is a little insulting. It bothered to remind us that WWII wasn't a clear "America won on its own!" thing, nor that every single German was a baby-eating lunatic. Wouldn't surprise me if there were. Frankly, I want them to step back from Logan a bit. Or maybe they just have their own ideas that don't require that rating.
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Post by scabab on Dec 14, 2017 15:46:37 GMT
You can have variety with different genres/ideas too, saying it's only due to the rating is a little insulting. Well that's what New Mutants is doing by being an horror movie. They almost definitely will and of course they have the perfect excuse in that Wolverine was not one of the original X-men. Perhaps but they could have. They had the idea to make a dark, more realistic and violent approach for Daredevil and Punisher. They should do something similar for the big screen.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Dec 14, 2017 15:57:24 GMT
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 14, 2017 16:00:00 GMT
Well that's what New Mutants is doing by being an horror movie. We'll just have to see. But I fear it won't do so well. To be honest, I think the reason they went for the "grounded, violent" approach was simply because they didn't have a big budget...so they had to improvise.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 16:00:13 GMT
Mangold is an OG ! Completely agree with him .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 16:29:31 GMT
Of all the pretentious folks who think an "R" rating makes something automatically good. I was telling him that your autistic nattering don't warrant a response. It was a conversation between two adults. Go play with your blocks. Dude, come on. There's no need to get this nasty.
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