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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 1:38:07 GMT
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 12, 2017 3:12:43 GMT
So he thinks that the only way a film can be "for adults" is if they kill everyone and be loaded with blood and cursing.
That's some adolescents' idea of "Maturity".
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Post by thenewnexus on Dec 12, 2017 3:30:00 GMT
Rip superhero movies. Maybe Venom will be Dark.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 12, 2017 4:16:42 GMT
Rip superhero movies. Maybe Venom will be Dark. Last I checked, that was supposed to have been rated R. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 12, 2017 9:48:02 GMT
So he thinks that the only way a film can be "for adults" is if they kill everyone and be loaded with blood and cursing. That's some adolescents' idea of "Maturity". Don't see why we can't have both PG-13 and R rating films. |
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Post by charzhino on Dec 12, 2017 11:42:06 GMT
Hes right, Disney will make the Xmen a kid friendly universe where no serious mature themes are conveyed with any rigor.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 12, 2017 12:01:04 GMT
Hes right, Disney will make the Xmen a kid friendly universe where no serious mature themes are conveyed with any rigor. Please, like anything they ever portrayed was ever done with real maturity? Their way of addressing Prejudice is something out a YA Novel. Meanwhile the MCU bothers with telling us that not every German in WWII was a baby-eating lunatic and that Germans suffered under the Nazis too, something plenty of WWII pics forget. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 12, 2017 13:30:29 GMT
So he thinks that the only way a film can be "for adults" is if they kill everyone and be loaded with blood and cursing. That's some adolescents' idea of "Maturity". That definitely describes some of the trolls on this board, but that isn't what he's saying here. He's saying you have more creative freedom when you aren't worried about selling toys. There are certain guidelines you have to follow if you want to market the film to children. It all goes back to McDonalds getting angry about Batman Returns because they thought Happy Meal toys shouldn't feature creepy characters who kill and sexually assault people (Penguin). It's odd, because they made a Friday the 13th NES game in the 80s which was definitely marketed to kids, but I have to say that would never happen today. The Winter Soldier is an example of a CBM for adults, so it can be done and done very well. But there's no way Disney makes Logan or Deadpool, and that's the real issue. Those films simply would not exist if every film had to follow some studio mandate regarding marketing to the widest possible audience. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 12, 2017 13:49:55 GMT
The Winter Soldier is an example of a CBM for adults, so it can be done and done very well. It's also one that can be enjoyed by anyone at any age, which is how a good story can also be told. Like Lord of the Rings or Star Wars or Star Trek or Dr Who, etc. Maybe not, but there's also no way Fox would've ever had the balls to make Guardians of the Galaxy or Ant-Man or any other unexpected successes either. So it evens out. The way some folks are around here, they'd want an R-Rated Spider-Man Homecoming just to see underage Peter have an anal sex scene with another minor in an extended sequence. |
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Post by miike80 on Dec 12, 2017 13:54:53 GMT
The Winter Soldier is an example of a CBM for adults, so it can be done and done very well. It's also one that can be enjoyed by anyone at any age, which is how a good story can also be told. Like Lord of the Rings or Star Wars or Star Trek or Dr Who, etc. Maybe not, but there's also no way Fox would've ever had the balls to make Guardians of the Galaxy or Ant-Man or any other unexpected successes either. So it evens out. The way some folks are around here, they'd want an R-Rated Spider-Man Homecoming just to see underage Peter have an anal sex scene with another minor in an extended sequence. Some heroes are better in an R-rated movie. Spider-man is not one of them |
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Post by thenewnexus on Dec 12, 2017 14:05:23 GMT
You don't need to make an r rated movir for Spiderman ASM did a great job with the tone while Homecoming felt campy
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Post by scabab on Dec 12, 2017 14:09:35 GMT
The way some folks are around here, they'd want an R-Rated Spider-Man Homecoming just to see underage Peter have an anal sex scene with another minor in an extended sequence. Nobody has ever said this, I don't know you keep bringing this specific example up. Spider-man doesn't warrant an R rated movie. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 12, 2017 14:18:03 GMT
The Winter Soldier is an example of a CBM for adults, so it can be done and done very well. It's also one that can be enjoyed by anyone at any age, which is how a good story can also be told. Like Lord of the Rings or Star Wars or Star Trek or Dr Who, etc. Maybe not, but there's also no way Fox would've ever had the balls to make Guardians of the Galaxy or Ant-Man or any other unexpected successes either. So it evens out.
The way some folks are around here, they'd want an R-Rated Spider-Man Homecoming just to see underage Peter have an anal sex scene with another minor in an extended sequence. Fair point, though to ne honest I think Fox makes those movies, they'd just be terrible. I'm on record saying I'd prefer the X-Men to stay in a separate universe, but it looks like that ship has sailed. I've always preferred the MCU anyway and I'm sure whatever they do with these characters will be great. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 12, 2017 14:25:47 GMT
The way some folks are around here, they'd want an R-Rated Spider-Man Homecoming just to see underage Peter have an anal sex scene with another minor in an extended sequence. Nobody has ever said this, I don't know you keep bringing this specific example up. Whenever anyone brings up why the MCU can't be R-Rated, I give them an example of an R-Rated MCU. Predictably, those same people back off because they're offended by...the stuff you'd see from an R-Rated movie. |
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Post by scabab on Dec 12, 2017 14:33:56 GMT
Whenever anyone brings up why the MCU can't be R-Rated, I give them an example of an R-Rated MCU. Predictably, those same people back off because they're offended by...the stuff you'd see from an R-Rated movie. That's not what people want out of an R rated MCU though. Your example is something that has never happened in the comic. Daredevil on Netflix would be R rated. A movie along those kind of lines is people would be referring to. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 12, 2017 14:38:02 GMT
That's not what people want out of an R rated MCU though. Deadpool has explicit sex, so I'm giving an example of explicit MCU sex. Hell, instead of Vision trying to bond emotionally with Wanda in Civil War we should have him trying to get into her pants too. And? I remember back after Spider-Man 3 came out how people were complaining that we should've get a Carnage movie where he eats people. Eh, Dark Knight got away with a PG rating and it was just as violent. |
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Post by scabab on Dec 12, 2017 14:50:48 GMT
Deadpool has explicit sex, so I'm giving an example of explicit MCU sex. That's in Deadpool's vulgar character, you'd expect as such. Even then it was a humourous scene involving a strap on. Not a graphic anal sex scene with underage kids, how does that relate to Spider-man at all? Kingpin smashed someone's head repeatedly with a car door until you saw the decapitated head come off. Punisher slaughtered a whole bunch of people in a prison, on screen with blood. The Dark Knight wasn't nearly as violent, PG-13 movies don't really even allow blood. That's what people are referring to. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 12, 2017 14:55:44 GMT
Not a graphic anal sex scene with underage kids, how does that relate to Spider-man at all? Hey, teens have sex. An R-Rated Spider-Man flick should reflect that, otherwise there's no point to the R Rating. Joker killed a guy by stabbing a pencil through his head and we see his dead body fall over. They allowed Two-Face getting lit on fire and us seeing the burned remains. And the MCU showed us a guy who kills people so he can bathe in their blood. |
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Post by scabab on Dec 12, 2017 15:09:34 GMT
Hey, teens have sex. An R-Rated Spider-Man flick should reflect that, otherwise there's no point to the R Rating. Nobody was asking for a R rated Spider-man movie where the teenagers have sex though. But there was no blood involved, you don't see the pencil go into through his skull or them show a close up of him afterward with the pencil stuck in his eye because they couldn't show that in a PG-13 movie. It was over in a second. Nothing like what happened in Daredevil where you see Punisher shove a stack through someone's stomach, see a stake go into someone's arm, him stab someone to death with a shiv, shove a knife into someone's neck where the blood spurts out, smash an executive into someone's skull so the blood spurts out. There's no comparison between the two. You could never have what we've seen in Daredevil in a PG-13 MCU movie and some people want to like people wanted to see that in Logan which we did. All off screen. They'd never be able to show that on screen. If that was an R rated movie you'd have seen Ronan smash that guys skull in with the hammer instead of it cutting away. But again nobody is talking about a R rated Guardians of the Galaxy movie either. |
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Post by Riddick on Dec 12, 2017 15:19:43 GMT
I never get it why people comes with wrong examples, when it comes to Rated-R cbms. Heroes like Spider-Man, Batman, Thor etc. works better with PG-13. But antiheroes like Deadpool, Wolverine and Punisher works better with R-Rating.
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