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Post by Agent of Chaos on Dec 27, 2017 20:54:11 GMT
summers8 You realize this, right? His entire career started with X1 and that’s how he got a job at Marvel Studios. He even had plans for the X-Men similar to the MCU according to Lauren Shuler Donner. comicbook.com/marvel/2017/12/08/kevin-feige-x-men-franchise-plans-fox/The route she is talking about is X-Men: The Last Stand which Feige was less involved with(likely because he wasn’t pleased with it) and here is what studio executive Tom Rothman thought of the Phoenix storyline: The studio executives never even wanted to adapted it and instead chose to dick ride Magneto. The Dark Phoenix movie seems to based on the plan Kevin Feige had for the X-Men based on what we’ve seen/heard. But with the space stuff added. So Fox thought their route was a mistake and that Feige’s was better. Even Tom Rothman said that Kevin Feige knew what he was doing.
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Post by blockbusted on Dec 28, 2017 2:09:22 GMT
summers8 You realize this, right? His entire career started with X1 and that’s how he got a job at Marvel Studios. He even had plans for the X-Men similar to the MCU according to Lauren Shuler Donner. comicbook.com/marvel/2017/12/08/kevin-feige-x-men-franchise-plans-fox/The route she is talking about is X-Men: The Last Stand which Feige was less involved with(likely because he wasn’t pleased with it) and here is what studio executive Tom Rothman thought of the Phoenix storyline: The studio executives never even wanted to adapted it and instead chose to dick ride Magneto. The Dark Phoenix movie seems to based on the plan Kevin Feige had for the X-Men based on what we’ve seen/heard. But with the space stuff added. So Fox thought their route was a mistake and that Feige’s was better. Even Tom Rothman said that Kevin Feige knew what he was doing. You do realize summers8 isn't intelligent enough to understand anything you just said, right? Well, to be fair, Feige was more of a co-producer/associate producer/executive producer in those films, so I doubt that he had a huge influence. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Dec 28, 2017 21:01:57 GMT
You do realize summers8 isn't intelligent enough to understand anything you just said, right? Well, to be fair, Feige was more of a co-producer/associate producer/executive producer in those films, so I doubt that he had a huge influence. He was influential enough to get a job at Marvel Studios. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jan 21, 2018 1:51:27 GMT
You do realize summers8 isn't intelligent enough to understand anything you just said, right? Well, to be fair, Feige was more of a co-producer/associate producer/executive producer in those films, so I doubt that he had a huge influence. And he was responsible for Wolverine’s big hair. |
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Post by darkpast on Jan 21, 2018 5:07:38 GMT
The first 2 X-men was mainly Singer's babies, Donner taking credit as they became bigger hits than expected
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 21, 2018 20:59:52 GMT
Wait wait wait. So according to Fox execs, X-men was not dark or for adults? It was made for the general audience? THIS CHANGES... nothing. Only X-men movie fans thought of those movies as adult and dark...
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Post by summers8 on Mar 21, 2018 22:48:07 GMT
Mar 21, 2018 20:59:52 GMT ThatGuy said: Wait wait wait. So according to Fox execs, X-men was not dark or for adults? It was made for the general audience? THIS CHANGES... nothing. Only X-men movie fans thought of those movies as adult and dark... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hm, fox exces? so fox exces were confused and they were corrected by the people that knew X-Men and told them correctly what x-men tone is. Its kind of desperate isn't? to try and change the narrative. almost as bad as trying to say tim miller likes mcu movies when he said the opposite. X-Men movie fans? that would be x-men fans. mcu fans like you try and convince themselves x-men is jokey comedy for children. X-Men fans don't do that because the lore of xmen is factually not that and we can back it up with countless xmen stories and even shows like X-Men TAS that Stan Lee himself told people not to dumb down the adult content, violence, compelling story and darker tone because that is what X-Men is on a daily basis. Stan Lee said so. read it here. geeks.media/x-men-the-animated-series-24th-anniversary-interviewHm, another reason X-Men TAS along with Batman TAS are both considered the greatest cartoons show ever. what is the state of marvel cartoons today under Disney? beyond childish.LOL, Is this for real? DOFP and God Loves, Man Kills are factually darker than the movies that even James Cameron said DOFP original ending in the comics should not be used in the film because it was overboard in darknessand don't make me start with God Loves, Man Kills. thatguy, you see no xmen fan will ever say xmen is not dark, adult oriented or serious. MCU fans are the only people that say that because that is their only means of trying to justify disney jokey formula on xmen movies. It's back to bs lies as usual. the very reason the mcu xmen movies are destined to fail and fall below X2, FC, X2, X-Men and Logan just like how Star Wars 7 and 8 has fallen below the original 6 star wars movies and Homecoming is inferior to the Spiderman Trilogy and every MCU cartoon has fallen below X-Men and Spiderman TAS or Evolution and Spectacular Spiderman and above all why all the MCU movies have fallen below Logan, FC and DOFP. That is Disney's factual pattern of artistic failure because they embrace the dumb, retarded comedy, superficial light hearted and cgi driven movies. That is not X-Men. Real X-Men fans know this. |
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Post by summers8 on Mar 21, 2018 22:57:36 GMT
summers8 You realize this, right? His entire career started with X1 and that’s how he got a job at Marvel Studios. He even had plans for the X-Men similar to the MCU according to Lauren Shuler Donner. comicbook.com/marvel/2017/12/08/kevin-feige-x-men-franchise-plans-fox/The route she is talking about is X-Men: The Last Stand which Feige was less involved with(likely because he wasn’t pleased with it) and here is what studio executive Tom Rothman thought of the Phoenix storyline: The studio executives never even wanted to adapted it and instead chose to dick ride Magneto. The Dark Phoenix movie seems to based on the plan Kevin Feige had for the X-Men based on what we’ve seen/heard. But with the space stuff added. So Fox thought their route was a mistake and that Feige’s was better. Even Tom Rothman said that Kevin Feige knew what he was doing. I hate to ask but have you ever gotten a new job and your new boss has different goals and tasks for you than your old boss. Feige worked on X-Men 1 and 2 and now he is making jokey cgi generic action-comedy for children? Funny, because there is no way Disney will ever greenlighted X-Men 1 and X-Men 2 that Feige worked on, not under Disney. so I ask again, have you ever gotten a new job with a different boss or are most of you mcu fans not old enough to work yet? |
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Post by blockbusted on Mar 21, 2018 23:00:01 GMT
summers8 You realize this, right? His entire career started with X1 and that’s how he got a job at Marvel Studios. He even had plans for the X-Men similar to the MCU according to Lauren Shuler Donner. comicbook.com/marvel/2017/12/08/kevin-feige-x-men-franchise-plans-fox/The route she is talking about is X-Men: The Last Stand which Feige was less involved with(likely because he wasn’t pleased with it) and here is what studio executive Tom Rothman thought of the Phoenix storyline: The studio executives never even wanted to adapted it and instead chose to dick ride Magneto. The Dark Phoenix movie seems to based on the plan Kevin Feige had for the X-Men based on what we’ve seen/heard. But with the space stuff added. So Fox thought their route was a mistake and that Feige’s was better. Even Tom Rothman said that Kevin Feige knew what he was doing. I hate to ask but have you ever gotten a new job and your new boss has different goals and tasks for you from your old boss. Feige worked on X-Men 1 and 2 and now he is making jokey cgi generic action-comedy for children? Funny, because there is no way Disney will ever greenlighted X-Men 1 and X-Men 2 that Feige worked on, not under Disney so I ask again, have you ever gotten a new job with a different boss or are most of you mcu fans not old enough to work yet? As if Rothman-era Fox was any better... |
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Post by summers8 on Mar 21, 2018 23:10:04 GMT
HMMM. Not only was this comic a ground breaking story line at the time of release but the cover of DOFP is still so chilling and iconic, celebrated as one of comics greatest covers that it became a poster kid for all that could be credible, artistic and compelling about comic books today. in other words everything MCU Disney is against. Even DC, Star Wars, Dr Who and many have tried to replicate it. The TV show Heroes has one episode inspired by this comic. 5 years gone. One of the best episodes heroes every made.   Will the real xmen fans please stand up? these disney kids are just making me laugh. Disney cannot even make a movie like DOFP and that movie is not even as gripping as the comics. what a joke. |
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Post by charzhino on Mar 21, 2018 23:13:36 GMT
HMMM. Not only was this comic a ground breaking story line at the time of release but the cover of DOFP is still so chilling and iconic, celebrated as one of comics greatest covers that it became a poster kid for all that could be credible and compelling about comic books today. Dont forget the graphic novel God Loves, Man Kills. Disney would not touch it yet Fox made one of the best comic movies ever in X2 about it. |
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Post by summers8 on Mar 21, 2018 23:19:30 GMT
The disney kids also lie about Logan and say the movie was not a superhero movie but more like a western noir. Real X-Men fans know x-men stories drew from every genre, the one reason xmen films can work as serious drama like X2, Sci-Fi Thriller drama like DOFP or western noir like Logan than just dumb cgi light-hearted comedy like the mcu disney movies. Real xmen fans we back our facts and opinion here.   When Disney turns xmen into gotg/avengers cgi joke comedy. they will get the 10x hate they got with last jedi been an mcu styled movie. I guaranteed you all. Real X-Men fans will just laugh and go back to the real xmen movies (Loga, DOFP, X2) |
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Post by summers8 on Mar 21, 2018 23:34:43 GMT
HMMM. Not only was this comic a ground breaking story line at the time of release but the cover of DOFP is still so chilling and iconic, celebrated as one of comics greatest covers that it became a poster kid for all that could be credible and compelling about comic books today. Dont forget the graphic novel God Loves, Man Kills. Disney would not touch it yet Fox made one of the best comic movies ever in X2 about it. yeah true. arguably usually referred to as marvel's greatest literacy piece. X2 was dark, violent and adult themed but not even as geniusly messed up as the comics. Stryker as the faux cynical reverend, purifierers, the attempted assassination of kitty pryde on national tv who was still the xmen kid. Hm, In the disney mcu movies, kids are there to sell toys, shameless baby groot marketing, and the banning of any real substance abuse issues like Iron Man 3 though not a problem for characters like Xavier or Gambit in the comics for was it not seeing Spiderman punch his villains in Homecoming? I am confused or how dumb down and childish mcu movies are that insults xmen's lore. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 22, 2018 0:59:11 GMT
Feige definitely traded up, seeing how trapped in the past the FoX-Men movies are. Feige revolutionized the genre in ways Singer never could. X2 is just a rehash of X1, and it did well due to lack of competition. Put it out today and it would be seen as mediocre. Logan? That only got a good reception due to being Jackman and Stewarts' Swan Song. God Loves, Man Kills was a pretty silly book. The reason it's remembered is more for it being the first time the X-Men teamed up with Magneto more than anything else. And DOFP isn't all that great a story either, again it's more remembered for being the first time the Sentinels were shown to be a real threat instead of a joke. It was only two issues and the actual plot was pretty thin. As for IM3, they replaced a generic alcohol plot with PTSD. And they didn't make Tony a sadsack who needed someone else to get him out of it like Xavier did. Tony was strong enough to deal with it on his own. The sooner the X-Men are in the MCU, the sooner that kind of pretentiousness is done with and we'll all be better off. And for the record, THIS is one of the best comic covers ever:  That DOFP cover is memorable for superficial reasons only, nothing more. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Mar 22, 2018 1:22:08 GMT
The X-MEN movies would have been better if Chris Nolan wrote and Directed them.
He's a genius that isn't appreciated by the CBM community.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 22, 2018 1:44:30 GMT
The X-MEN movies would have been better if Chris Nolan wrote and Directed them. He's a genius that isn't appreciated by the CBM community. Eh, he doesn't know how to do real Superhero stuff. He wouldn't even make the X-Men mutants or give them superpowers. Plus he'd load the films with BS philosophies with loads of holes in them no one questions because he thinks those philosophies are infallible. He's not underappreciated...or a genius, actually. He's fairly predictable in his characters and storytelling. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 22, 2018 4:30:25 GMT
The X-MEN movies would have been better if Chris Nolan wrote and Directed them. He's a genius that isn't appreciated by the CBM community. Eh, he doesn't know how to do real Superhero stuff. He wouldn't even make the X-Men mutants or give them superpowers. Plus he'd load the films with BS philosophies with loads of holes in them no one questions because he thinks those philosophies are infallible. He's not underappreciated...or a genius, actually. He's fairly predictable in his characters and storytelling. So basically Inception blew your mind. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 22, 2018 10:23:54 GMT
Eh, he doesn't know how to do real Superhero stuff. He wouldn't even make the X-Men mutants or give them superpowers. Plus he'd load the films with BS philosophies with loads of holes in them no one questions because he thinks those philosophies are infallible. He's not underappreciated...or a genius, actually. He's fairly predictable in his characters and storytelling. So basically Inception blew your mind. Boring and predictable, Leo's character was just his usual typecast and he brought all his misery on himself. Hans Zimmers' usual wall of noise didn't help. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Mar 22, 2018 11:29:39 GMT
The X-MEN movies would have been better if Chris Nolan wrote and Directed them. He's a genius that isn't appreciated by the CBM community. Eh, he doesn't know how to do real Superhero stuff. He wouldn't even make the X-Men mutants or give them superpowers. Plus he'd load the films with BS philosophies with loads of holes in them no one questions because he thinks those philosophies are infallible. He's not underappreciated...or a genius, actually. He's fairly predictable in his characters and storytelling. He made 3 Super Heroe films. You may not like them but it doesn't change the fact that he's made them. Stop it with this "actually they're not real comic book movies" nonsense. He would make them Mutants, not sure where you're getting this idea that he wouldn't. Hell he's a fan of the X-MEN movies! So basically you hate CBM that are more than explosions. |
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Post by charzhino on Mar 22, 2018 11:35:31 GMT
Feige definitely traded up, seeing how trapped in the past the FoX-Men movies are. Feige revolutionized the genre in ways Singer never could. Feige was only allowed the chance because of Singer and Raimis groundwork of solid foundations. Singer revolutionised the genre on 2000. Meaningless conjecture saying it would be mediocre today. Good characters, interesting villains, excellent pacing and compelling stories dont deteriorate with age. The only thing MCU films have going for them is CGI action and a shared universe. Put X2 out in 2017 and it would toast the 3 kiddy marvel films that came out that year, proved by Logan bettering them all. Stryker was more developed and memorable than Vulture, Ego and Hela. X2s story was more compelling and had social political commentary that would be prime in todays climate, just like Black Panthers themes. Ragnarok, Guardians, and Homecoming are all straight forward by-the-numbers comedies. Theres no substance to any of them which is why Logan was the number 1 Cbm in 2017. And X2 has the edge on Logan. Conjecture. Reaching xcuses. Stark had "PTSD" from seeing aliens in space. Xaviers had his dreams of his mansion destroyed when students left him. Mistique who was very close to him left. He gave up Moira to make the Xmen which failed. He couldnt sleep so had to take drugs which suppressed his powers and in turn made him an addict. Yeah, Im sure thats comparable to Stark with his million dollar home, fancy gadgets, being in an active Superhero team and Pepper still by his side. Disney watered his problems down. Fixed |
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