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Post by darkpast on Jan 12, 2018 6:25:29 GMT
Any movie that grosses over $1 billion cannot be a disappointment in my mind (although I might make an exception for Infinity War when that releases). Solo, though, has the potential to be a real flop. People obviously aren't as interested in Star Wars anymore and its production has been riddled with conflict. We don't even have a trailer yet either. Infinity War should not gross under Jurassic World, 10 years of build up
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Post by mcufan on Jan 12, 2018 13:00:43 GMT
The movie is set to finish with over $600 million domestically, and $1.3 billion worldwide. Is that good or bad? I see it as a sign of Disney damaging Star Wars' beloved brand with subpar films. I expected better than $1.3 billion. AAAAH Expectations. And Beloved (moneywise) just the OT... The Prequels were domestically a Disaster: (i don't have the adjusted worldwide totals if someone has them please post them) TPM made 807M (including the 60+-M from the 3d rerelease) and then Episode 2 fell to 478M Episode 3 made a little more with 530M Now TFA made 966M and now TLJ fell to 600+ (around that), so Episode IX just needs 300 million give or take to make the same as the prequels (wich will do more) So as of now the ST is beating the PT by some margin. I Would say the PT made more damage to the brand than the ST. Even the OT: 1,591 and then fell to 877 in Empire and then a little further 840 for return. The catch is... Those had multiple releases with the special editions making almost 275+-M and then empire almost 137+-M and then maybe 90+-M for Jedi But undoubtedly the more profitable of all! After that the brand was in the gutter in the PT and is getting better with the ST not worse. So expectations you say... After the disaster that were the PT it was a miracle they brought them back! These are all adjusted domestic numbers by the way.
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Post by ryboto on Jan 12, 2018 13:11:35 GMT
Nah, ST is doing more damage to the core of the franchise. The overt political/feminist messages at the expense of plot, and the over saturation of the brand is going to do it in..
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Post by mcufan on Jan 12, 2018 14:39:50 GMT
Nah, ST is doing more damage to the core of the franchise. The overt political/feminist messages at the expense of plot, and the over saturation of the brand is going to do it in.. Moneywise i said. I'm a faithfull defender of the PT.
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Post by audiosane on Jan 12, 2018 14:50:38 GMT
I see it as a sign of Disney damaging Star Wars' beloved brand with subpar films. I expected better than $1.3 billion. AAAAH Expectations. And Beloved (moneywise) just the OT... The Prequels were domestically a Disaster: (i don't have the adjusted worldwide totals if someone has them please post them) TPM made 807M (including the 60+-M from the 3d rerelease) and then Episode 2 fell to 478M Episode 3 made a little more with 530M Now TFA made 966M and now TLJ fell to 600+ (around that), so Episode IX just needs 300 million give or take to make the same as the prequels (wich will do more) So as of now the ST is beating the PT by some margin. I Would say the PT made more damage to the brand than the ST. Even the OT: 1,591 and then fell to 877 in Empire and then a little further 840 for return. The catch is... Those had multiple releases with the special editions making almost 275+-M and then empire almost 137+-M and then maybe 90+-M for Jedi But undoubtedly the more profitable of all! After that the brand was in the gutter in the PT and is getting better with the ST not worse. So expectations you say... After the disaster that were the PT it was a miracle they brought them back! These are all adjusted domestic numbers by the way. I appreciate your hard work posting these numbers. That said, I was simply comparing TLJ's box office total to what I think they could've made. More importantly, I don't think as many people will care to see IX numerous times as would've been possible if more of them had been satisfied with the way TLJ was handled.
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Post by mcufan on Jan 12, 2018 15:11:17 GMT
AAAAH Expectations. And Beloved (moneywise) just the OT... The Prequels were domestically a Disaster: (i don't have the adjusted worldwide totals if someone has them please post them) TPM made 807M (including the 60+-M from the 3d rerelease) and then Episode 2 fell to 478M Episode 3 made a little more with 530M Now TFA made 966M and now TLJ fell to 600+ (around that), so Episode IX just needs 300 million give or take to make the same as the prequels (wich will do more) So as of now the ST is beating the PT by some margin. I Would say the PT made more damage to the brand than the ST. Even the OT: 1,591 and then fell to 877 in Empire and then a little further 840 for return. The catch is... Those had multiple releases with the special editions making almost 275+-M and then empire almost 137+-M and then maybe 90+-M for Jedi But undoubtedly the more profitable of all! After that the brand was in the gutter in the PT and is getting better with the ST not worse. So expectations you say... After the disaster that were the PT it was a miracle they brought them back! These are all adjusted domestic numbers by the way. I appreciate your hard work posting these numbers. That said, I was simply comparing TLJ's box office total to what I think they could've made. More importantly, I don't think as many people will care to see IX numerous times as would've been possible if more of them had been satisfied with the way TLJ was handled. The thing is, Empire is arguably better than ANH (arguably) and made way less money than SW. Granted AOTC was ill received for being bad (I don't agree) and maybe ROTS suffered for it. But why didn't ROTJ explode in the box office? Because Empire was ill received at the time also or because it was worse than the others? I think it was because it was worse. The thing is correlation between quality and money never was SW forte. I think if IX is awsome, non divisive, critically and fan praised, it may start slow but eventually explode at the box office. IT's a longshot as history has proven but stranger things have happened.
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Post by Power Ranger on Jan 12, 2018 16:47:13 GMT
A billion dollars is still a billion fucking dollars. So if the GDP of a country is a billion dollars is that good?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 17:04:24 GMT
A billion dollars is still a billion fucking dollars. So if the GDP of a country is a billion dollars is that good? If all your country managed to do was produce a single film, it's awesome!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 17:17:05 GMT
It's amusing to see the opinions of people change as far as how they interpret box office results depending on if they liked a film or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 17:45:18 GMT
So if the GDP of a country is a billion dollars is that good? If all your country managed to do was produce a single film, it's awesome! Cue meme of Borat proclaiming Kazakhstan's GDP is a billion dollars and that its main export is prostitution.
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Post by audiosane on Jan 12, 2018 20:03:53 GMT
I appreciate your hard work posting these numbers. That said, I was simply comparing TLJ's box office total to what I think they could've made. More importantly, I don't think as many people will care to see IX numerous times as would've been possible if more of them had been satisfied with the way TLJ was handled. The thing is, Empire is arguably better than ANH (arguably) and made way less money than SW. Granted AOTC was ill received for being bad (I don't agree) and maybe ROTS suffered for it. But why didn't ROTJ explode in the box office? Because Empire was ill received at the time also or because it was worse than the others? I think it was because it was worse. The thing is correlation between quality and money never was SW forte. I think if IX is awsome, non divisive, critically and fan praised, it may start slow but eventually explode at the box office. IT's a longshot as history has proven but stranger things have happened. All right. We'll see.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jan 12, 2018 20:14:50 GMT
I see it as a sign of Disney damaging Star Wars' beloved brand with subpar films. I expected better than $1.3 billion. AAAAH Expectations. And Beloved (moneywise) just the OT... The Prequels were domestically a Disaster: (i don't have the adjusted worldwide totals if someone has them please post them) TPM made 807M (including the 60+-M from the 3d rerelease) and then Episode 2 fell to 478M Episode 3 made a little more with 530M Now TFA made 966M and now TLJ fell to 600+ (around that), so Episode IX just needs 300 million give or take to make the same as the prequels (wich will do more) So as of now the ST is beating the PT by some margin. I Would say the PT made more damage to the brand than the ST. Even the OT: 1,591 and then fell to 877 in Empire and then a little further 840 for return. The catch is... Those had multiple releases with the special editions making almost 275+-M and then empire almost 137+-M and then maybe 90+-M for Jedi But undoubtedly the more profitable of all! After that the brand was in the gutter in the PT and is getting better with the ST not worse. So expectations you say... After the disaster that were the PT it was a miracle they brought them back! These are all adjusted domestic numbers by the way. Be careful with that dose of reality. You may hurt someone.
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Post by pete8680 on Jan 13, 2018 9:10:57 GMT
I think that RJ Trilogy is now more dead then Lincoln.
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Post by mcufan on Jan 13, 2018 12:35:44 GMT
AAAAH Expectations. And Beloved (moneywise) just the OT... The Prequels were domestically a Disaster: (i don't have the adjusted worldwide totals if someone has them please post them) TPM made 807M (including the 60+-M from the 3d rerelease) and then Episode 2 fell to 478M Episode 3 made a little more with 530M Now TFA made 966M and now TLJ fell to 600+ (around that), so Episode IX just needs 300 million give or take to make the same as the prequels (wich will do more) So as of now the ST is beating the PT by some margin. I Would say the PT made more damage to the brand than the ST. Even the OT: 1,591 and then fell to 877 in Empire and then a little further 840 for return. The catch is... Those had multiple releases with the special editions making almost 275+-M and then empire almost 137+-M and then maybe 90+-M for Jedi But undoubtedly the more profitable of all! After that the brand was in the gutter in the PT and is getting better with the ST not worse. So expectations you say... After the disaster that were the PT it was a miracle they brought them back! These are all adjusted domestic numbers by the way. Be careful with that dose of reality. You may hurt someone. what about this those of reality? Adjusted worldwide sw totals, no re-releases: Episode 1: 1444M Episode 2: 886M Episode 3: 1086M Episode 4: 2724M Episode 5: 1338M Episode 6: 1240M Episode 7: 2141M Episode 8: 1235+M Rogue One: 1079M Yeah the first in each trilogy makes the most money and then it's downhill. The OT is clearly the winner, the PT was a disgrace, even the first only did so-so and now it's recuperating with the ST. Like I said TFA was a fluke, where everybody wanted to see what's this sw all about, now it's back to business as usual. The Uber fan community is like the empire and the DS. It thinks sw was always the biggest thing under the sun, when it never was. Such arrogance. Delusional fans are the worst. Expectations ah! A Jedi craves not these things. No wonder Lucas was done with Star wars...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 20:52:49 GMT
I think that RJ Trilogy is now more dead then Lincoln. Couldn't agree more. Even if there wasn't a cohesive story outline already in place for the entire ST trilogy, I'd trust 50% of the posters on this board to write a better story arc than RJ did for tlj and then hire a real writer to script it. I wouldn't want him back after this.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Jan 15, 2018 18:43:59 GMT
It's the second highest-grossing SW movie, and the highest grossing movie overall of 2017. I personally predicted it would would hit $1.5 billion, and it looks like it's going to finish up with closer to $1.3 billion, but that's still more than most movies will ever make.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jan 17, 2018 1:36:25 GMT
How can a movie that's broken a BILLION dollars world wide possibly be considered disappointing? Because it could have made more? Of course a movie can always make more! So what? Its a BILLION fucking dollars!!!
I'm sure you have a favorite movie that didn't make a billion dollars; Or 600 mill domestic. Its still one of your favorite movies, no?
Jesus, how much is enough?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 5:10:09 GMT
How can a movie that's broken a BILLION dollars world wide possibly be considered disappointing? Because it could have made more? Of course a movie can always make more! So what? Its a BILLION fucking dollars!!!
I'm sure you have a favorite movie that didn't make a billion dollars; Or 600 mill domestic. Its still one of your favorite movies, no?
Jesus, how much is enough?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 5:12:55 GMT
It's an undeniable box office success.
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Post by mcufan on Jan 17, 2018 13:52:45 GMT
How can a movie that's broken a BILLION dollars world wide possibly be considered disappointing? Because it could have made more? Of course a movie can always make more! So what? Its a BILLION fucking dollars!!!
I'm sure you have a favorite movie that didn't make a billion dollars; Or 600 mill domestic. Its still one of your favorite movies, no?
Jesus, how much is enough? It will never be enough for these guys. Even if it made the 1.5 they still would say, it's slipping, bla bla bla. Haters will hate. I think 1.3ish is enough to satisfy most and assure the continuation of new stuff coming out. But i think Lucasfilm should give it a rest after IX for a couple of years though. At least the main "Skywalker" Saga. there are almost no skywalkers left anyway. (Or Ben and Rey have a child together in the end)
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