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Post by PreachCaleb on Jan 18, 2018 17:43:25 GMT
It's over. The dinosaurs are on their way out. This is now just the death rattle of a dying breed raging against its own obsolescence. It is the same cry once used to avoid having to recognize African Americans in just about every facet of society. It didn't work then; it won't work now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 18:10:51 GMT
It's over. The dinosaurs are on their way out. This is now just the death rattle of a dying breed raging against its own obsolescence. It is the same cry once used to avoid having to recognize African Americans in just about every facet of society. It didn't work then; it won't work now. I notice you didn't provide me with the names of any deserving female Best Picture and Best Director Oscar nominees over the last 20 years who were overlooked. If you want to show me the petition that says women should be directing more movies, I will sign it. I think I heard someone say the other day that around 7% of movies are directed by a woman - something should be done about that. Try thinking about it from a statistical point of view. If you are providing 7% of the total content of anything, what are the chances of your contributions being some of "the best"? Very f&*king little!
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Post by Larcen26 on Jan 18, 2018 18:22:29 GMT
Whoa. A dinosaur started a thread. You think it's better to live in a world where women get nominated for awards because they don't have a dick and whine a lot rather than because they actually deserve the nomination? Take some time out and look back over the last 20 years or so and point out to me any woman who was blatantly overlooked in the Best Director or Best Movie categories. Fast forward to 2017 and it's "PC" to think women are entitled to be nominated for awards cause vagina. Ridiculous! The other side of that argument points to the deficiency of female directors to choose from. Particularly on prestige projects with studio backing and awards pushes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 18:43:27 GMT
You think it's better to live in a world where women get nominated for awards because they don't have a dick and whine a lot rather than because they actually deserve the nomination? Take some time out and look back over the last 20 years or so and point out to me any woman who was blatantly overlooked in the Best Director or Best Movie categories. Fast forward to 2017 and it's "PC" to think women are entitled to be nominated for awards cause vagina. Ridiculous! The other side of that argument points to the deficiency of female directors to choose from. Particularly on prestige projects with studio backing and awards pushes. I guess female directors aren't being given enough shots lower down the food chain to get them onto the career ladder? It is hard to evaluate. If Greta Gerwig directed "Darkest Hour" or "The Post," and Joe Wright or Spielberg directed "Lady Bird," it's "Darkest Hour" or "The Post" that would be getting the Best Director nomination.
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Post by Larcen26 on Jan 18, 2018 18:50:35 GMT
The other side of that argument points to the deficiency of female directors to choose from. Particularly on prestige projects with studio backing and awards pushes. I guess female directors aren't being given enough shots lower down the food chain to get them onto the career ladder? It is hard to evaluate. If Greta Gerwig directed "Darkest Hour" or "The Post," and Joe Wright or Spielberg directed "Lady Bird," it's "Darkest Hour" or "The Post" that would be getting the Best Director nomination. And it's that issue that is being criticized. It's not "There are no women nominated, and here is a list of women who should have been nominated instead of some of these men even if their movies and direction were worse." it's "Look at how few women are given the opportunities to direct these sorts of prestige films." It was the same with the "Oscar's so white" thing a few years ago. It wasn't "Here are some black performances that should have been nominated" it's "Look at how few quality roles were available for performers of color."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 18:58:43 GMT
I guess female directors aren't being given enough shots lower down the food chain to get them onto the career ladder? It is hard to evaluate. If Greta Gerwig directed "Darkest Hour" or "The Post," and Joe Wright or Spielberg directed "Lady Bird," it's "Darkest Hour" or "The Post" that would be getting the Best Director nomination. And it's that issue that is being criticized. It's not "There are no women nominated, and here is a list of women who should have been nominated instead of some of these men even if their movies and direction were worse." it's "Look at how few women are given the opportunities to direct these sorts of prestige films." It was the same with the "Oscar's so white" thing a few years ago. It wasn't "Here are some black performances that should have been nominated" it's "Look at how few quality roles were available for performers of color." I didn't hear anyone qualifying Natalie Portman's whinge at the Golden Globes in those terms. Come to think of it, I didn't hear anyone qualifying the complaints about the lack of nominations for people of color in those terms either.
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Post by Larcen26 on Jan 18, 2018 19:01:24 GMT
And it's that issue that is being criticized. It's not "There are no women nominated, and here is a list of women who should have been nominated instead of some of these men even if their movies and direction were worse." it's "Look at how few women are given the opportunities to direct these sorts of prestige films." It was the same with the "Oscar's so white" thing a few years ago. It wasn't "Here are some black performances that should have been nominated" it's "Look at how few quality roles were available for performers of color." I didn't hear anyone qualifying Natalie Portman's whinge at the Golden Globes in those terms. Come to think of it, I didn't hear anyone qualifying the complaints about the lack of nominations for people of color in those terms either. Dozens of articles about this exact issue
And about race
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 19:05:00 GMT
I didn't hear anyone qualifying Natalie Portman's whinge at the Golden Globes in those terms. Come to think of it, I didn't hear anyone qualifying the complaints about the lack of nominations for people of color in those terms either. Dozens of articles about this exact issue
And about raceI am not saying those discussions aren't taking place. I am saying that at surface level, people's main concerns are making sure they don't look bad and placating the SJW's/feminazis.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jan 18, 2018 19:05:08 GMT
It's over. The dinosaurs are on their way out. This is now just the death rattle of a dying breed raging against its own obsolescence. It is the same cry once used to avoid having to recognize African Americans in just about every facet of society. It didn't work then; it won't work now. I notice you didn't provide me with the names of any deserving female Best Picture and Best Director Oscar nominees over the last 20 years who were overlooked. If you want to show me the petition that says women should be directing more movies, I will sign it. I think I heard someone say the other day that around 7% of movies are directed by a woman - something should be done about that. Try thinking about it from a statistical point of view. If you are providing 7% of the total content of anything, what are the chances of your contributions being some of "the best"? Very f&*king little! Yep, still the same old repeated lines that've been spouted for decades as a reason to not acknowledge an underrepresented group. Again, it didn't work in the past; it's not going to work now. It's not merely "placating." It's about offering opportunities.
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Post by Larcen26 on Jan 18, 2018 19:06:21 GMT
I am not saying those discussions aren't taking place. I am saying that at surface level, people's main concern is making sure they don't look bad and placating the SJW's and feminazis. And I say that's just how you see it through your bias.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 19:12:08 GMT
I am not saying those discussions aren't taking place. I am saying that at surface level, people's main concern is making sure they don't look bad and placating the SJW's and feminazis. And I say that's just how you see it through your bias. There is no bias. I wouldn't think "Lady Bird" or "Wonder Woman" are deserving of any nominations if they were directed by a man. The only difference is that SJW's like you wouldn't be able to call me "biased."
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Post by Larcen26 on Jan 18, 2018 19:13:06 GMT
And I say that's just how you see it through your bias. There is no bias. I wouldn't think "Lady Bird" or "Wonder Woman" are deserving of any nominations if they were directed by a man. The only difference is that SJW's like you wouldn't be able to call me "biased." You keep using SJW and Feminazi... Keep thinking you don't have a bias.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 19:20:18 GMT
There is no bias. I wouldn't think "Lady Bird" or "Wonder Woman" are deserving of any nominations if they were directed by a man. The only difference is that SJW's like you wouldn't be able to call me "biased." You keep using SJW and Feminazi... Keep thinking you don't have a bias. That's because I am sick of idiots overreacting to EVERYTHING and drowning out with noise the shit that people really should be talking about.
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Post by Larcen26 on Jan 18, 2018 19:22:06 GMT
You keep using SJW and Feminazi... Keep thinking you don't have a bias. That's because I am sick of idiots overreacting to EVERYTHING and drowning out with noise the shit that people really should be talking about. But no bias. And definitely not contributing to the overreaction...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 19:27:22 GMT
That's because I am sick of idiots overreacting to EVERYTHING and drowning out with noise the shit that people really should be talking about. But no bias. And definitely not contributing to the overreaction... Zero gender or race bias. Surely that's all the matters? Or am I not allowed to disapprove of idiots anymore either?
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Post by Larcen26 on Jan 18, 2018 19:32:47 GMT
But no bias. And definitely not contributing to the overreaction... Zero gender or race bias. Surely that's all the matters? Or am I not allowed to disapprove of idiots anymore either? Good to know that you are contributing to the level headed intelligent debate as opposed to throwing gasoline on the fire by saying things like "Are DCU fans secretly worried that "Lady Bird" and "Get Out" will provide Oscar voters wishing to push the feminazi/SJW agenda with more viable alternatives to "Wonder Woman"?" If you did, people might think you have a bias. Thank you for starting a thoughtful debate about the lack of opportunity for female directors on every level of Hollywood.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 19:46:13 GMT
Zero gender or race bias. Surely that's all the matters? Or am I not allowed to disapprove of idiots anymore either? Good to know that you are contributing to the level headed intelligent debate as opposed to throwing gasoline on the fire by saying things like "Are DCU fans secretly worried that "Lady Bird" and "Get Out" will provide Oscar voters wishing to push the feminazi/SJW agenda with more viable alternatives to "Wonder Woman"?" If you did, people might think you have a bias. Thank you for starting a thoughtful debate about the lack of opportunity for female directors on every level of Hollywood. We are posting on the DCU board. DC Fan's boner will be interfering with satellite transmission if Wonder Women gets a Best Picture nomination. Wonder Woman would 100% be receiving Best Picture and Best Director nominations if "Lady Bird" and "Get Out" didn't exist. It still might receive a Best Picture nomination anyway but it's chances have been greatly reduced. That is what I was originally discussing. If it was my intention to discuss the wider picture, I would have posted differently.
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Post by Larcen26 on Jan 18, 2018 20:09:59 GMT
Good to know that you are contributing to the level headed intelligent debate as opposed to throwing gasoline on the fire by saying things like "Are DCU fans secretly worried that "Lady Bird" and "Get Out" will provide Oscar voters wishing to push the feminazi/SJW agenda with more viable alternatives to "Wonder Woman"?" If you did, people might think you have a bias. Thank you for starting a thoughtful debate about the lack of opportunity for female directors on every level of Hollywood. We are posting on the DCU board. DC Fan's boner will be interfering with satellite transmission if Wonder Women gets a Best Picture nomination. Wonder Woman would 100% be receiving Best Picture and Best Director nominations if "Lady Bird" and "Get Out" didn't exist. It still might receive a Best Picture nomination anyway but it's chances have been greatly reduced. That is what I was originally discussing. If it was my intention to discuss the wider picture, I would have posted differently. Ah, Well thank you very much for not stooping to DC Fan's trolly level and continuing the thoughtful debate.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 19, 2018 5:59:13 GMT
Whoa. A dinosaur started a thread. Take some time out and look back over the last 20 years or so and point out to me any woman who was blatantly overlooked in the Best Director or Best Movie categories. You've just demonstrated why MCU fans are so clueless. 20 years ago, women didn't have the opportunity to direct a big-budget movie. There have been over 300 movies with a budget over $100 million, but Patty Jenkins is only the 6th woman to direct a movie with a budget over $100 million. There have been over 70 superhero movies since Superman: The Movie, but Patty Jenkins is only the 2nd woman to direct a superhero movie.
This is why Wonder Woman is such a remarkable movie and has such a significant impact. Wonder Woman not only opened the door for more opportunities for female-led superhero movies but also opened the door for more opportunities for female Directors to direct big-budget movies.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 6:09:53 GMT
Whoa. A dinosaur started a thread. Fast forward to 2017 and it's "PC" to think women are entitled to be nominated for awards cause vagina. Ridiculous! Rewind the past 40 years and it is okay to think only male comic book characters should be entitled to have their own movies 'cause penis. It looks like the tide is slowly turning and the shoe is on the other foot. They could always make it that they make nothing but non stop female lead comic book movies and only make 1 or 2 male lead ones every once in a blue moon like a movie about 'Batman' that is about a guy named Tom that can transform into a bat or a sequel to a flop that was so bad the lead star refused to make another movie ever again 'cause we know those movies would be such big hits but I think things should be even.
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