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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 5:44:18 GMT
flatland offers a good visual. imagine a piece of paper with a square drawn on it. now place a sphere in the middle of
the square. for the people in flatland in the middle of the square, a dot has now appeared out of nowhere. as the
sphere begins to pass through the piece of paper, flatland people see a circle expand and then contract. it continues
until it disappears. flatland people can't conceive of a sphere. our 4th dimension is a cube inside a cube. in our
3d world we can hardly imagine a 4d world. higher dimensions are around and inside us.
This is all theory, of course, but I don't think the theory translates to reality. Simply because any flat object, including a piece of paper, has some degree of thickness and is, therefore, three dimensional. I really doubt there are more than three spatial dimensions.
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Post by itsmagic on Feb 13, 2018 6:07:39 GMT
flatland offers a good visual. imagine a piece of paper with a square drawn on it. now place a sphere in the middle of
the square. for the people in flatland in the middle of the square, a dot has now appeared out of nowhere. as the
sphere begins to pass through the piece of paper, flatland people see a circle expand and then contract. it continues
until it disappears. flatland people can't conceive of a sphere. our 4th dimension is a cube inside a cube. in our
3d world we can hardly imagine a 4d world. higher dimensions are around and inside us.
This is all theory, of course, but I don't think the theory translates to reality. Simply because any flat object, including a piece of paper, has some degree of thickness and is, therefore, three dimensional. I really doubt there are more than three spatial dimensions. i was giving the paper as a representation of our 3d world. we have to add motion to the equation- think of a cone with 45 degree angles moving through space. this is our light cone, where anything moving slower than the speed of light lives - our universe now. time is what we measure as our 3d world moves through space - from there to here now. time is the 4th dimension as Einstein said. if we imagine a rubber sheet with a bowling ball in the middle, it would cause a depression in the area around it. if we saw the earth as a marble circling the bowling ball, its orbit would be falling in towards the bowling ball as it orbits. the rubber sheet is spacetime - distorted by the massive object - the sun. time is slowed near massive objects. a black hole is a place where nothing escapes its gravity - not even light. the gravity bending of spacetime distortion near a black hole is so extreme time almost stops completely at the edge . everything inside it crushes down to a singularity where all known physics break down - all the matter and energy goes beyond our 3 dimensions. almost every known galaxy has a black hole in it, even our own milky way. i answered this in more detail in the post directly before this
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Post by permutojoe on Feb 14, 2018 13:07:29 GMT
Who creates the supercomputer's reality? A superdupercomputer?
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Post by Sandman on Feb 15, 2018 0:06:45 GMT
Who creates the supercomputer's reality? A superdupercomputer? It was built by aliens. Why the aliens built it I am not sure. But when I find out I will report it here. That is unless the supercomputer just shuts us all down first. Like I said they are becoming bored with this game they are playing.
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Post by Roberto on Feb 16, 2018 7:30:43 GMT
4 dimensions or 10 dimensions it don't matter. What I am about to reveal do not let it scare you. There is nothing you can do about it. It is the absolute truth. A supercomputer creates our reality. We do not exist. The supercomputer runs everything. It is a game. The supercomputer can make you feel happy or sad. It can give you the illusion of pleasure or pain. But make no mistake about it. It is all an illusion. It just seems real. When the supercomputer gets bored with one of its creations it gives us the illusion of death. But how can there be death when you never existed? There can't. It is all part of the supercomputers game. Now you know the truth. But don't be sad. Just go on about your business. When the supercomputer gets bored with you, you die. Or at least your so called family and friends think so. Wow brah. That is quite scary and deep. Do you truly believe this?
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Post by itsmagic on Feb 16, 2018 8:12:52 GMT
Who creates the supercomputer's reality? A superdupercomputer? It was built by aliens. Why the aliens built it I am not sure. But when I find out I will report it here. That is unless the supercomputer just shuts us all down first. Like I said they are becoming bored with this game they are playing. maybe it's a super uper duper booper computer with a really long cord
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Post by ghostintheshell on Feb 16, 2018 15:47:28 GMT
A question only Rick and Morty fans could understand.
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Post by Catman on Feb 16, 2018 16:17:04 GMT
It was built by aliens. Why the aliens built it I am not sure. But when I find out I will report it here. That is unless the supercomputer just shuts us all down first. Like I said they are becoming bored with this game they are playing. it may be a super uper duper booper computer with a really long cord If that's true, the universe is at the mercy of the next clumsy guy that happens to walk near the cord.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Feb 16, 2018 16:21:21 GMT
Ontologically there can't be. There aren't even four, really. Calling time a dimension promotes a misunderstanding of what time is. It's really just a game you can play with mathematics. Some people have it back-asswards with a belief that stuff you can create by playing games with mathematics--mathematics in general is a sort of game we play--obtains ontologically outside of the game. It's basically "worshipping the game" and making it your reality.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Feb 16, 2018 16:24:10 GMT
flatland offers a good visual. imagine a piece of paper with a square drawn on it. now place a sphere in the middle of
the square. for the people in flatland in the middle of the square, a dot has now appeared out of nowhere. as the
sphere begins to pass through the piece of paper, flatland people see a circle expand and then contract. it continues
until it disappears. flatland people can't conceive of a sphere. our 4th dimension is a cube inside a cube. in our
3d world we can hardly imagine a 4d world. higher dimensions are around and inside us.
The only problem with that is that Flatland is basically "imagine some shit that's incoherent/wrong." There is nothing that's two dimensional (or one-dimensional or zero-dimensional). Everything extant has three dimensions. Less than three dimensions again is just part of a game we can play with mathematics--it's something we can make up based on how we think about relations.
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Post by itsmagic on Feb 17, 2018 2:25:56 GMT
flatland offers a good visual. imagine a piece of paper with a square drawn on it. now place a sphere in the middle of
the square. for the people in flatland in the middle of the square, a dot has now appeared out of nowhere. as the
sphere begins to pass through the piece of paper, flatland people see a circle expand and then contract. it continues
until it disappears. flatland people can't conceive of a sphere. our 4th dimension is a cube inside a cube. in our
3d world we can hardly imagine a 4d world. higher dimensions are around and inside us.
The only problem with that is that Flatland is basically "imagine some shit that's incoherent/wrong." There is nothing that's two dimensional (or one-dimensional or zero-dimensional). Everything extant has three dimensions. Less than three dimensions again is just part of a game we can play with mathematics--it's something we can make up based on how we think about relations. of course again, we have "less than perfect" analogies to help us visualize higher dimensions from lower dimensional representations. interestingly, that is part of what theoretical physicists are using in string theory as they follow the math pointing in fact to higher dimensions. some strings are one dimensional-like a point as we see it-no height or width, but infinitely long-like a string. as this string moves through space, it smooths out a form like a sheet ( these forms and higher ones are from a field called topology ). these graphic representations are to help us visualize different dimensional relations. when we think of all there is, at the deepest quantum levels,there's almost nothing there at all. if the nucleus of an atom were to be a baseball, the electron would be a speck of dust a mile away. yet the electron cloud itself is only a fuzzy cloud of probabilities of where we might find the electron at any particular moment. yet still, the electromagnetic forces of the repulsion between the positively charged nucleus and the negatively charged electron are the only thing that keeps us from falling through the floor. at the subatomic level, even protons & neutrons are composed of even smaller things called quarks quarks are held together by gluons. gluons & quarks are believed to be composed of strings.{some strings are closed, like a loop, some open like a thread-these strings oscillate & vibrate-but i digress}put it all in motion through space, and you get what are called timelines as they sweep through space. creating what we call worldlines, again described by forms and relations in topology. it's now found that all we thought was there at the deepest, most fundamental - can't divide it any further level - is truly just a matter of relations. matter and energy, force carriers, and the quantum composition of spacetime itself - it's just relations. but we have to follow the mathematics that describe what we can now detect in evidence - and string theory, astrophysics, quantum theory, and the best cutting-edge theoretical physics formulations man has yet conceived all point to higher dimensions.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Feb 17, 2018 13:50:28 GMT
The only problem with that is that Flatland is basically "imagine some shit that's incoherent/wrong." There is nothing that's two dimensional (or one-dimensional or zero-dimensional). Everything extant has three dimensions. Less than three dimensions again is just part of a game we can play with mathematics--it's something we can make up based on how we think about relations. of course again, we have "less than perfect" analogies to help us visualize higher dimensions from lower dimensional representations. interestingly, that is part of what theoretical physicists are using in string theory as they follow the math pointing in fact to higher dimensions. some strings are one dimensional-like a point as we see it-no height or width, but infinitely long-like a string. as this string moves through space, it smooths out a form like a sheet ( these forms and higher ones are from a field called topology ). these graphic representations are to help us visualize different dimensional relations. when we think of all there is, at the deepest quantum levels,there's almost nothing there at all. if the nucleus of an atom were to be a baseball, the electron would be a speck of dust a mile away. yet the electron cloud itself is only a fuzzy cloud of probabilities of where we might find the electron at any particular moment. yet still, the electromagnetic forces of the repulsion between the positively charged nucleus and the negatively charged electron are the only thing that keeps us from falling through the floor. at the subatomic level, even protons & neutrons are composed of even smaller things called quarks quarks are held together by gluons. gluons & quarks are believed to be composed of strings.{some strings are closed, like a loop, some open like a thread-these strings oscillate & vibrate-but i digress}put it all in motion through space, and you get what are called timelines as they sweep through space. creating what we call worldlines, again described by forms and relations in topology. it's now found that all we thought was there at the deepest, most fundamental - can't divide it any further level - is truly just a matter of relations. matter and energy, force carriers, and the quantum composition of spacetime itself - it's just relations. but we have to follow the mathematics that describe what we can now detect in evidence - and string theory, astrophysics, quantum theory, and the best cutting-edge theoretical physics formulations man has yet conceived all point to higher dimensions. The point is that it's not actually helping you visualize other dimensions. It's just a very vague, fairly incoherent fiction. String theory is something else that is a lot of nonsense based on playing games with mathematics (Which is itself a sort of game we play). That's the case with a lot of modern physics concepts (including popular qm ideas) that are popular because they're kind of "weird" and/or they're good fodder for SciFi. Some of those mathematical games have turned out to have practical upshots, but that doesn't imply that they're picking out ontological phenomena a la "other dimensions" and so on.
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Post by Vegas on Feb 17, 2018 14:17:02 GMT
I'd show you... but...
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Post by itsmagic on Feb 18, 2018 6:39:23 GMT
black holes, quantum physics, time and gravity are just a few of the things explained by higher dimensions.
all contain or are described by physics that are beyond 3 dimensions.
they cannot be properly or even partially be explained in just 3 dimensions.
we are in motion through the warped dimension of spacetime - time is the 4th dimension as described by Einstein.
gravity emerges naturally in string theory, as do many other consistencies with parallels to quantum physics
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Post by Sandman on Feb 18, 2018 19:06:28 GMT
4 That is quite scary and deep. Do you truly believe this? Yes I believe it because it is true. Do not be scared. When they decide to pull the plug you will feel and know nothing.
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Post by Roberto on Feb 18, 2018 19:10:18 GMT
Yes I believe it because it is true. Do not be scared. When they decide to pull the plug you will feel and know nothing. Got any proof? And what is going on with these quotes?
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Post by Sandman on Feb 18, 2018 19:56:50 GMT
Got any proof?All you have to do is look for it.
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Post by permutojoe on Feb 21, 2018 1:04:46 GMT
Ontologically there can't be. There aren't even four, really. Calling time a dimension promotes a misunderstanding of what time is. It's really just a game you can play with mathematics. Some people have it back-asswards with a belief that stuff you can create by playing games with mathematics--mathematics in general is a sort of game we play--obtains ontologically outside of the game. It's basically "worshipping the game" and making it your reality. I think there is some truth to this. Is it hypothetically possible to be outside of spacetime looking down on the universe like Neil Degrasse Tyson likes to talk about? Neat concept but seems to be taking too many liberties with mathematics, an admittedly great tool but falls short of functioning as some sort of metaphysical truth teller. Don't even get me started on string theory.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Feb 21, 2018 1:26:50 GMT
Ontologically there can't be. There aren't even four, really. Calling time a dimension promotes a misunderstanding of what time is. It's really just a game you can play with mathematics. Some people have it back-asswards with a belief that stuff you can create by playing games with mathematics--mathematics in general is a sort of game we play--obtains ontologically outside of the game. It's basically "worshipping the game" and making it your reality. I think there is some truth to this. Is it hypothetically possible to be outside of spacetime looking down on the universe like Neil Degrasse Tyson likes to talk about? Neat concept but seems to be taking too many liberties with mathematics, an admittedly great tool but falls short of functioning as some sort of metaphysical truth teller. Don't even get me started on string theory. Space is just the extension of matter and extensional relations between matter. Time is simply the ontological phenomenon of change, including motion. So I'd say that the notion that some existent could be "outside" of either is just nonsense.
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Post by permutojoe on Feb 21, 2018 1:32:57 GMT
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