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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jan 28, 2018 1:01:45 GMT
Question is can Kat Dennings act? I've only seen her in Thor 1 and 2.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 28, 2018 3:21:19 GMT
Neither Robbie or Dennings are going to be considered for Black Cat in either SMH 2 or Silver and Black, Robbie is already playing a major comic book character for a rival company and Dennings was already in the MCU as Darcy in the first two Thor movies - Sony wants to create the impression their Venom and Silver Sable & Black Cat films are set in the larger MCU despite not being made by Marvel Studios proper. They don't want to risk this by casting a familiar face in another part and let's be honest while there have been actors who have played different roles in the same cinematic universe before they were/are on a very different level than Kat Dennings is in terms of character acting. chris evans was johnny storm before cap america. reynolds was green lantern before deadpool. Currently Brolin is both Thanos and Cable. Although I agree Dennings wouldnt be used and Robbie is probably too busy with DC and other projects. You are talking different universes with Evans and Reynolds. Dennings playing different characters (major roles in those movies) in the same universe is a big difference.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 28, 2018 8:03:23 GMT
chris evans was johnny storm before cap america. reynolds was green lantern before deadpool. Currently Brolin is both Thanos and Cable. Although I agree Dennings wouldnt be used and Robbie is probably too busy with DC and other projects. You are talking different universes with Evans and Reynolds. Dennings playing different characters (major roles in those movies) in the same universe is a big difference. This. And before somebody mentions Alfre Woodard and Clancy Brown because they've played two different characters in the MCU already; Schoonover was a physical performance on Daredevil/The Punisher but Surtur was a vocal one, we did not see Brown as the character we only heard him in Thor: Ragnarok. Woodard had only one scene in Civil War and she looked very different and acted very different than she did in Luke Cage. Also like to remind that Woodard and Brown are also very good character actors and can really gel with the material they're working in, often not being able to stick out of the world and take people out of the viewing experience ( Still to this day it blows my mind the Kurgan voices Mr. Krabs on SpongeBob). Kat Dennings, much as I like her and all, is simply not on Brown or Woodard's level. Of course, I'm sure thenewnexus will say that he truly believes Dennings could pull it off anyway, without any actual evidence( in addition to her being a legit action star without any prior experience either, this he actually said once).
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Post by thenewnexus on Jan 28, 2018 8:18:20 GMT
Idris Elba said he wants to play a different character in the mcu so if he can come back in a new role Kat should too.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 28, 2018 16:59:38 GMT
Idris Elba said he wants to play a different character in the mcu so if he can come back in a new role Kat should too. So? Just because he wants to play a different character in the MCU doesn't mean they'll allow it, it's not for him to make the decision.
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Post by harpospoke on Feb 10, 2018 21:32:50 GMT
Femme fatale sounds like Mary Jane to me. I thought Zendaya was their version of Mary Jane in this continuity though? Nah. She plays Michelle Jones. Same initials but a totally different character in every way.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Feb 10, 2018 21:44:28 GMT
I thought Zendaya was their version of Mary Jane in this continuity though? Nah. She plays Michelle Jones. Same initials but a totally different character in every way. So basically she's a superfluous MCU-only character, a waste of an opportunity to use the comic book's extensive history in a creative or interesting way, and an insult to longtime fans of the original source material. Sounds like the creative team is pretty ashamed of comics. Innit? formersamhmd, you should prolly weigh in here.
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Post by harpospoke on Feb 10, 2018 21:48:39 GMT
Nah. She plays Michelle Jones. Same initials but a totally different character in every way. So basically she's a superfluous MCU-only character, a waste of an opportunity to use the comic book's extensive history in a creative or interesting way, and an insult to longtime fans of the original source material. Sounds like the creative team is pretty ashamed of comics. Innit? formersamhmd , you should prolly weigh in here. I don't mind her too much. She wasn't a huge part of the movie really. And it certainly doesn't keep them from using the real MJ in the future. Michelle Jones and Mary Jane can be in the same movie even.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Feb 10, 2018 21:52:00 GMT
So basically she's a superfluous MCU-only character, a waste of an opportunity to use the comic book's extensive history in a creative or interesting way, and an insult to longtime fans of the original source material. Sounds like the creative team is pretty ashamed of comics. Innit? formersamhmd , you should prolly weigh in here. I don't mind her too much. She wasn't a huge part of the movie really. And it certainly doesn't keep them from using the real MJ in the future. Michelle Jones and Mary Jane can be in the same movie even. So basically you want to see a catfight between the two, with clothes ripped off.
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Post by harpospoke on Feb 10, 2018 22:03:06 GMT
I don't mind her too much. She wasn't a huge part of the movie really. And it certainly doesn't keep them from using the real MJ in the future. Michelle Jones and Mary Jane can be in the same movie even. So basically you want to see a catfight between the two, with clothes ripped off. Hmmm....I wouldn't protest too much. It would be the weakest "Hey...you are just making them into sex objects..... ....oh myyy...."
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Feb 10, 2018 22:17:28 GMT
So basically you want to see a catfight between the two, with clothes ripped off. Hmmm....I wouldn't protest too much. It would be the weakest "Hey...you are just making them into sex objects..... ....oh myyy...." Now, in your mind's eye, keeping the current girl -- Zenyada or whatever -- who's playing MJ in this catfight? ETA: whoops, specifically Mary Jane. I forgot they're both "MJs" in my excitement about the hypothetical.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 10, 2018 22:40:52 GMT
Nah. She plays Michelle Jones. Same initials but a totally different character in every way. So basically she's a superfluous MCU-only character, a waste of an opportunity to use the comic book's extensive history in a creative or interesting way, and an insult to longtime fans of the original source material. Sounds like the creative team is pretty ashamed of comics. Innit? formersamhmd , you should prolly weigh in here. Given how Raimi's MJ didn't have much in common with comics MJ except for Red Hair, I can't say Michelle is worse. Plus she was only in the movie for a few minutes if you compile it together.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Feb 10, 2018 22:47:45 GMT
So basically she's a superfluous MCU-only character, a waste of an opportunity to use the comic book's extensive history in a creative or interesting way, and an insult to longtime fans of the original source material. Sounds like the creative team is pretty ashamed of comics. Innit? formersamhmd , you should prolly weigh in here. Given how Raimi's MJ didn't have much in common with comics MJ except for Red Hair, I can't say Michelle is worse. Plus she was only in the movie for a few minutes if you compile it together. Raimi's MJ was based on Ultimate MJ and was a really faithful adaptation of what was at the time a really highly regarded and well-liked take on a 616 Spider-Man character that was extremely stale at that particular time.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 10, 2018 22:50:48 GMT
Given how Raimi's MJ didn't have much in common with comics MJ except for Red Hair, I can't say Michelle is worse. Plus she was only in the movie for a few minutes if you compile it together. Raimi's MJ was based on Ultimate MJ She was more based on Betty Brant, Gwen Stacy and Liz Allen. Raimi didn't know or care much about the Ultimate Line.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Feb 10, 2018 23:20:35 GMT
Raimi's MJ was based on Ultimate MJ She was more based on Betty Brant, Gwen Stacy and Liz Allen. Raimi didn't know or care much about the Ultimate Line. Bendis was a consultant on the movie.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 10, 2018 23:26:00 GMT
She was more based on Betty Brant, Gwen Stacy and Liz Allen. Raimi didn't know or care much about the Ultimate Line. Bendis was a consultant on the movie. Then Raimi didn't listen to him much.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Feb 10, 2018 23:31:49 GMT
Bendis was a consultant on the movie. Then Raimi didn't listen to him much. Uh, go back and read volume one of USM and then watch the 2002 movie, dude. It's almost a straight adaptation, scene by scene.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 10, 2018 23:35:13 GMT
Then Raimi didn't listen to him much. Uh, go back and read volume one of USM and then watch the 2002 movie, dude. It's almost a straight adaptation, scene by scene. I don't recall Norman turning into a Hulk like being and killing his wife.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Feb 10, 2018 23:39:22 GMT
Uh, go back and read volume one of USM and then watch the 2002 movie, dude. It's almost a straight adaptation, scene by scene. I don't recall Norman turning into a Hulk like being and killing his wife. They took a different tack with Norman, presumably because the Ultimate incarnation was either cost ineffective or not practical from an effects standpoint. And that nitpick doesn't negate anything. You're wrong on this one.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 10, 2018 23:48:24 GMT
Betty Brant is blond in the MCU, I would laugh my fucking ass off if they turned Gwen Stacey into a Redhead.
Oh my God the salt from the purists would be so delicious!
Do it Marvel! You made MJ black! Now turn Gwen into a Redhead!
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