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Post by lowtacks86 on Feb 4, 2018 20:41:58 GMT
Why not? It's a board to discuss religion, that's what he's doing. No. No? No to what? Discussing religion? That's what he was doing.
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Post by Arlon10 on Feb 5, 2018 13:40:17 GMT
That's what Peter Jackson's next movie will cover, that or The Silmarillion
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Post by general313 on Feb 5, 2018 16:55:16 GMT
There's a bunch of giant monsters running around... and they destroy Tokyo. I might be confusing it with Godzilla. Yeah, that was Godzilla. It actually ended with Delta house disrupting the homecoming parade with the Deathmobile.
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Post by Vegas on Feb 5, 2018 17:00:38 GMT
It actually ended with Delta house disrupting the homecoming parade with the Deathmobile. Revelation 21:3
And, then, the angel of the lord sat up and spoketh "What the hell we supposed to do, you moron?"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 17:03:22 GMT
The Revelation of Jesus Christ is a fascinating book that I have read dozens of times. It was penned by John the Beloved on the isle of Patmos while he was in a spirit-guided trek through human history, present and future. While often myopically considered just a book detailing "the end of things," it is certainly much more than that. It details events from before man was created, it details events during human creation, it details events that occurred between Adam and Christ, it details near-future events for the Jews, it details mid-future events for the Jews and the new Church, it details over a thousand years of events that will occur future from now and it details what things will look like once the dust finally settles and all created beings are given their spiritual permanence. It also features Jesus speaking in person and admonishing the churches that had been started since he died.
As for whether Satan loses, it's more complicated that that. First he was a winner, then he became a loser and lost, then he wins some and loses some, then he wins, then there's a reversal and he is taken out of action for a long time and can't do anything, then he comes back and gives it one more shot, but loses.
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Post by Vegas on Feb 5, 2018 17:11:42 GMT
As for whether Satan loses, it's more complicated that that. First he was a winner, then he became a loser and lost, then he wins some and loses some, then he wins, then there's a reversal and he is taken out of action for a long time and can't do anything, then he comes back and gives it one more shot, but loses. Just like The Patriots!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 17:12:32 GMT
To a certain extent its for modern day Christians as well. I am actually doing a Bible study at my Church on Revelation (we did it before, & we are doing it again). I visited Patmos back in 2009. Do you have any thoughts about the Two Witnesses? I remember reading on the Internet that the Seventh Day Adventists believe they are representations of the Old and New Testaments which were killed in the French Revolution. This seems a little strange to me, as Paris is located a good distance geographically from Jerusalem. The two witnesses will be two men who - per the text - did not die the first time they were on earth. Enoch and Elijah are almost surely this duo. There is an argument in some Christian circles that Moses is one along with Elijah, this being based on the notion that they were the two greatest prophets and the weaker argument about Moses' bones being up for contention and hidden away. But in my opinion, the most important aspect of determining who the two witnesses are falls under the very potent scriptural edict that all men must die the first death, in congruence with the scriptures that make it very clear that neither Enoch nor Elijah ever died on earth (as contrasted with Moses who, scriptural weight indicates, certainly did die) and finalized by the scriptures that indicate that the two witnesses actually will die. On a sidenote, imagine you're Enoch and you're like "I go right to heaven without suffering or dying? Awesome!" And then God is like, "Wellllllllll.....not so fast."
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 5, 2018 17:18:00 GMT
Do you have any thoughts about the Two Witnesses? I remember reading on the Internet that the Seventh Day Adventists believe they are representations of the Old and New Testaments which were killed in the French Revolution. This seems a little strange to me, as Paris is located a good distance geographically from Jerusalem. The two witnesses will be two men who - per the text - did not die the first time they were on earth. Enoch and Elijah are almost surely this duo. There is an argument in some Christian circles that Moses is one along with Elijah, this being based on the notion that they were the two greatest prophets and the weaker argument about Moses' bones being up for contention and hidden away. But in my opinion, the most important aspect of determining who the two witnesses are falls under the very potent scriptural edict that all men must die the first death, in congruence with the scriptures that make it very clear that neither Enoch nor Elijah ever died on earth (as contrasted with Moses who, scriptural weight indicates, certainly did die) and finalized by the scriptures that indicate that the two witnesses actually will die. On a sidenote, imagine you're Enoch and you're like "I go right to heaven without suffering or dying? Awesome!" And then God is like, "Wellllllllll.....not so fast." Where does the text specifically say they will be two men? Some think they could as easily be a man and a woman, and why not? I've heard Enoch and Elijah over and over again, and I don't believe it. I also don't believe Enoch and Moses, or Moses and Elijah, or Moses and Malcolm X, or any of the other bizarre speculations that are going around. I've also heard over and over again that God will chose the two witnesses, and in my many readings of it, that is not exactly what I read.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 17:42:16 GMT
The two witnesses will be two men who - per the text - did not die the first time they were on earth. Enoch and Elijah are almost surely this duo. There is an argument in some Christian circles that Moses is one along with Elijah, this being based on the notion that they were the two greatest prophets and the weaker argument about Moses' bones being up for contention and hidden away. But in my opinion, the most important aspect of determining who the two witnesses are falls under the very potent scriptural edict that all men must die the first death, in congruence with the scriptures that make it very clear that neither Enoch nor Elijah ever died on earth (as contrasted with Moses who, scriptural weight indicates, certainly did die) and finalized by the scriptures that indicate that the two witnesses actually will die. On a sidenote, imagine you're Enoch and you're like "I go right to heaven without suffering or dying? Awesome!" And then God is like, "Wellllllllll.....not so fast." Where does the text specifically say they will be two men? Some think they could as easily be a man and a woman, and why not? I've heard Enoch and Elijah over and over again, and I don't believe it. I also don't believe Enoch and Moses, or Moses and Elijah, or Moses and Malcolm X, or any of the other bizarre speculations that are going around. I've also heard over and over again that God will chose the two witnesses, and in my many readings of it, that is not exactly what I read. The text does not specifically say they will be two men. Occam's Razor is why they will likely be male. Even amidst the many stories of strong women who played heroic roles in the Bible, not a single one of them was a prophet. To assume these two prophets might be women would be baseless conjecture. The reason Moses, Elijah and Enoch have been discussed as the most likely candidates is because the Bible is clear that all men must die. Some folks believe Moses didn't die (I disagree), but the Bible is explicit in its detail that Elijah and Enoch did not die. Furthermore, their very role as miracle-workers and prophets in the events dictated in Revelation mirrors what they did when they were first on earth in the OT times. Finally, the reason I give the clear nod to Enoch over Moses is that Enoch's prophecies - as dictated in the non-Canon Book of Enoch (but quoted in the Canon book of Jude) all deal with "final generation" far future events. It would seem very odd indeed if a prophet were given power during the pre-12 tribes era of Adam's descendance to prophesy exclusively about far future events...unless, of course, he was being familiarized with it for a reason.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 5, 2018 18:03:11 GMT
Where does the text specifically say they will be two men? Some think they could as easily be a man and a woman, and why not? I've heard Enoch and Elijah over and over again, and I don't believe it. I also don't believe Enoch and Moses, or Moses and Elijah, or Moses and Malcolm X, or any of the other bizarre speculations that are going around. I've also heard over and over again that God will chose the two witnesses, and in my many readings of it, that is not exactly what I read. The text does not specifically say they will be two men. Occam's Razor is why they will likely be male. Even amidst the many stories of strong women who played heroic roles in the Bible, not a single one of them was a prophet. To assume these two prophets might be women would be baseless conjecture. The reason Moses, Elijah and Enoch have been discussed as the most likely candidates is because the Bible is clear that all men must die. Some folks believe Moses didn't die (I disagree), but the Bible is explicit in its detail that Elijah and Enoch did not die. Furthermore, their very role as miracle-workers and prophets in the events dictated in Revelation mirrors what they did when they were first on earth in the OT times. Finally, the reason I give the clear nod to Enoch over Moses is that Enoch's prophecies - as dictated in the non-Canon Book of Enoch (but quoted in the Canon book of Jude) all deal with "final generation" far future events. It would seem very odd indeed if a prophet were given power during the pre-12 tribes era of Adam's descendance to prophesy exclusively about far future events...unless, of course, he was being familiarized with it for a reason. Interesting. I don't see why it's carved in stone that they have to be prophets from the OT. If Enoch and Elijah as the Bible implies never experienced physical death, then maybe it's them. We'll have to wait and see.....assuming we haven't kicked the bucket by then. In any case, thanks for sharing your thoughts about it on this thread. I clicked on this thread because I was interested in discussing the Book of the Revelation, not Harry Potter, or Lord of the Rings, or Godzilla. I don't know what kind of childish thrill these guys get when they post the replies they do on threads like this one, but I suspect it's their way of showing their contempt.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 18:11:20 GMT
The text does not specifically say they will be two men. Occam's Razor is why they will likely be male. Even amidst the many stories of strong women who played heroic roles in the Bible, not a single one of them was a prophet. To assume these two prophets might be women would be baseless conjecture. The reason Moses, Elijah and Enoch have been discussed as the most likely candidates is because the Bible is clear that all men must die. Some folks believe Moses didn't die (I disagree), but the Bible is explicit in its detail that Elijah and Enoch did not die. Furthermore, their very role as miracle-workers and prophets in the events dictated in Revelation mirrors what they did when they were first on earth in the OT times. Finally, the reason I give the clear nod to Enoch over Moses is that Enoch's prophecies - as dictated in the non-Canon Book of Enoch (but quoted in the Canon book of Jude) all deal with "final generation" far future events. It would seem very odd indeed if a prophet were given power during the pre-12 tribes era of Adam's descendance to prophesy exclusively about far future events...unless, of course, he was being familiarized with it for a reason. Interesting. I don't see why it's carved in stone that they have to be prophets from the OT. If Enoch and Elijah as the Bible implies never experienced physical death, then maybe it's them. We'll have to wait and see.....assuming we haven't kicked the bucket by then. In any case, thanks for sharing your thoughts about it on this thread. I clicked on this thread because I was interested in discussing the Book of the Revelation, not Harry Potter, or Lord of the Rings, or Godzilla. I don't know what kind of childish thrill these guys get when they post the replies they do on threads like this one, but I suspect it's their way of showing their contempt. No sweat, it's always my pleasure to speak about the scriptures. And for the record, I very much hope I am dead and buried during the time these two witnesses do their thing. It's not going to be pretty. As for the sometimes witty (often witless) snarks that spam this board, this too, is biblical prophecy taking action. I am both saddened and made joyous in it.
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Post by johnblutarsky on Feb 5, 2018 18:20:41 GMT
...It actually ended with Delta house disrupting the homecoming parade with the Deathmobile. Hmmm. I don’t remember that part, but to be honest, I had a lot to drink.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 5, 2018 18:20:54 GMT
@winterssuicide
Not sure this is accurate.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 18:23:21 GMT
@winterssuicide Not sure this is accurate. I could be wrong, but I can't think of any examples.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 5, 2018 18:24:19 GMT
@winterssuicide Not sure this is accurate. I'm pretty sure that Deborah was (and still is) regarded as a prophet. And if there was one female prophet, maybe there were others.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 18:27:42 GMT
@winterssuicide Not sure this is accurate. I'm pretty sure that Deborah was (and still is) regarded as a prophet. And if there was one female prophet, maybe there were others. I stand corrected. I forgot Deborah was a prophet. CoolJGS☺
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 5, 2018 18:34:23 GMT
@winterssuicide Not sure this is accurate. I could be wrong, but I can't think of any examples. It depends on what your view of a prophet is. You are discussing some heavy hitters (I'm not getting into the Revelation stuff which i find largely inconsequential by the time someone decides to be a Christian) and in that regard, few people measure up. However, Moses sister was a prophetess. Deborah was a judge and prophet. Anna was perhaps the first prophet to acknowledge Jesus.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 5, 2018 18:49:56 GMT
I could be wrong, but I can't think of any examples. It depends on what your view of a prophet is. You are discussing some heavy hitters (I'm not getting into the Revelation stuff which i find largely inconsequential by the time someone decides to be a Christian) and in that regard, few people measure up. However, Moses sister was a prophetess. Deborah was a judge and prophet. Anna was perhaps the first prophet to acknowledge Jesus. Then couldn't it be said that Hitler wasn't a murderer, because he never shot or strangled anyone personally, depending on what your view of a murderer is?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 5, 2018 19:49:05 GMT
It depends on what your view of a prophet is. You are discussing some heavy hitters (I'm not getting into the Revelation stuff which i find largely inconsequential by the time someone decides to be a Christian) and in that regard, few people measure up. However, Moses sister was a prophetess. Deborah was a judge and prophet. Anna was perhaps the first prophet to acknowledge Jesus. Then couldn't it be said that Hitler wasn't a murderer, because he never shot or strangled anyone personally, depending on what your view of a murderer is? I agree, but he may be discussing ones that were used in a grand way by God although i would argue Enoch was special specifically because he was the only one left at the time and had to be rescued. There is no question that in scripture some prophets were more admired than others based on the things they had to explain and prophesy about so I was thinking maybe that's what is meant.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 19:55:44 GMT
Then couldn't it be said that Hitler wasn't a murderer, because he never shot or strangled anyone personally, depending on what your view of a murderer is? I agree, but he may be discussing ones that were used in a grand way by God although i would argue Enoch was special specifically because he was the only one left at the time and had to be rescued. There is no question that in scripture some prophets were more admired than others based on the things they had to explain and prophesy about so I was thinking maybe that's what is meant. My frame of reference for "prophet" was in the sense that there is generally one singled out as "the" prophet of a given generation. By that standard, Deborah counts in my opinion.
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