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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 7, 2018 18:38:18 GMT
I agree, but he may be discussing ones that were used in a grand way by God although i would argue Enoch was special specifically because he was the only one left at the time and had to be rescued. There is no question that in scripture some prophets were more admired than others based on the things they had to explain and prophesy about so I was thinking maybe that's what is meant. My frame of reference for "prophet" was in the sense that there is generally one singled out as "the" prophet of a given generation. By that standard, Deborah counts in my opinion. What about Gog and Magog? Some say they are Russia and China, or Russia and Turkey. As with the two witnesses, I think it's a bit silly to speculate based on the small amount of information available. Gog and Magog may be two countries that don't exist yet in our time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 18:53:31 GMT
My frame of reference for "prophet" was in the sense that there is generally one singled out as "the" prophet of a given generation. By that standard, Deborah counts in my opinion. What about Gog and Magog? Some say they are Russia and China, or Russia and Turkey. As with the two witnesses, I think it's a bit silly to speculate based on the small amount of information available. Gog and Magog may be two countries that don't exist yet in our time. It's certainly silly to speculate on Gog and Magog as if they relate to a particular state in its current format, however, the speculations are made purely based on the geographic designation given to each in the scriptures, as well as allegorical references to previous kingdoms. I've never really understood the fascination of linking either of them to a current state. Isn't it enough to believe, for instance, that Israel will be attacked from the north and that the state attacking must be credibly powerful otherwise it would not pose the threat that scriptures make it out to be? I think it's enough to think that way and let it lie as "a powerful nation that is geographically north of Israel." What difference does it make if it's Russia or Turkey or Lebanon on crack? I hope I'm not around to witness it either way, but if I am, I'll know what Magog is when I see it.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 7, 2018 19:06:33 GMT
What about Gog and Magog? Some say they are Russia and China, or Russia and Turkey. As with the two witnesses, I think it's a bit silly to speculate based on the small amount of information available. Gog and Magog may be two countries that don't exist yet in our time. It's certainly silly to speculate on Gog and Magog as if they relate to a particular state in its current format, however, the speculations are made purely based on the geographic designation given to each in the scriptures, as well as allegorical references to previous kingdoms. I've never really understood the fascination of linking either of them to a current state. Isn't it enough to believe, for instance, that Israel will be attacked from the north and that the state attacking must be credibly powerful otherwise it would not pose the threat that scriptures make it out to be? I think it's enough to think that way and let it lie as "a powerful nation that is geographically north of Israel." What difference does it make if it's Russia or Turkey or Lebanon on crack? I hope I'm not around to witness it either way, but if I am, I'll know what Magog is when I see it. I did a thread a little while back about the implantable RFID microchip. It's not sci-fi. It's here. It's real. It's now. Many people have posted their dreams and visions about the Mark of the Beast and everyone being numbered, or being executed if they refuse to participate, but I didn't include any of that. I wanted everything to be factual and verifiable. Not surprisingly, when the thread was bumped to the top it was mostly bumped by me. The ungodly ones of the board pretty much ignored it. The thing people don't realize about it is that, although radio waves travel rather slowly, they're still pretty fast. When you turn on a radio you don't have to wait a couple of minutes for the music to start. It's almost instantaneous. The R in RFID stands for radio. The implant isn't the Mark of the Beast now, but it will be, and when it happens it will be almost instantaneous. You won't have time to go to a doctor and get it removed. You won't even have time to grab up a meat cleaver and hack off your own hand. Very few people are taking it seriously. Unfortunately, some have even convinced themselves that Revelation refers to events of the 1st Century AD, as if God wrote a story that ended two thousand years ago. If that's the case, where does that leave us as Christians today?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 19:29:51 GMT
It's certainly silly to speculate on Gog and Magog as if they relate to a particular state in its current format, however, the speculations are made purely based on the geographic designation given to each in the scriptures, as well as allegorical references to previous kingdoms. I've never really understood the fascination of linking either of them to a current state. Isn't it enough to believe, for instance, that Israel will be attacked from the north and that the state attacking must be credibly powerful otherwise it would not pose the threat that scriptures make it out to be? I think it's enough to think that way and let it lie as "a powerful nation that is geographically north of Israel." What difference does it make if it's Russia or Turkey or Lebanon on crack? I hope I'm not around to witness it either way, but if I am, I'll know what Magog is when I see it. I did a thread a little while back about the implantable RFID microchip. It's not sci-fi. It's here. It's real. It's now. Many people have posted their dreams and visions about the Mark of the Beast and everyone being numbered, or being executed if they refuse to participate, but I didn't include any of that. I wanted everything to be factual and verifiable. Not surprisingly, when the thread was bumped to the top it was mostly bumped by me. The ungodly ones of the board pretty much ignored it. The thing people don't realize about it is that, although radio waves travel rather slowly, they're still pretty fast. When you turn on a radio you don't have to wait a couple of minutes for the music to start. It's almost instantaneous. The R in RFID stands for radio. The implant isn't the Mark of the Beast now, but it will be, and when it happens it will be almost instantaneous. You won't have time to go to a doctor and get it removed. You won't even have time to grab up a meat cleaver and hack off your own hand. Very few people are taking it seriously. Unfortunately, some have even convinced themselves that Revelation refers to events of the 1st Century AD, as if God wrote a story that ended two thousand years ago. If that's the case, where does that leave us as Christians today? First off, the view that some of the prophecies of Revelation, Daniel and Thessalonians don't refer to a far future generation is ridiculous. In order to believe that, one must ignore obvious context suggesting otherwise. One must also accept flaws in some of the very specific information presented in these prophecies if one were to think that way, since some of those very specific things (provably) did not happen in the first century. Moving on to the chip, I actually take it quite seriously. The RFID provides real solutions to real world problems. Got a dog that runs away all the time? Chip 'em and you'll find him easily. Worried about your kid getting kidnapped? Chip 'em. You'll be hot on the heels of the abductor. Worried about unending terrorism? You have no reason to worry so long as passage into and out of your country requires RFID scans. Worried about financial scams? Harder to steal your info when it's all in your head. I once heard a group of people at work talking about RFID chips as if it was the greatest idea ever. They were all saying "Why aren't we doing this right now as a society?" and "I want one and I will certainly put one in my child." There's reason to fear this technology and that is because most people actually want it and it does, admittedly, solve many problems. Regarding cutting an arm off, I firmly believe that is why the scriptures refer to the mark as being in the hand or the head. I think there will be problems with temperature regulation in the arm, I think there will be an epidemic of people getting their arms chopped off so thieves can access their bank accounts (not unlike how flashing a rolex out a car window in some countries is akin to inviting an amputation) and I think there will be plenty of people who love freedom so much that they are willing to lop their own arms off. Eventually, implantation in the head will become mandatory to stop these problems. On the topic of dreams, I once had three dreams in three straight nights that detailed three different levels of the "end times." The first one was about the Antichrist and the Devil confronting me and asking me to join them. The second was the manner in which America was destroyed. The third focused on a new global religion, but included the chip as a sub-plot. There was also this fantastic song that represented the new global religion playing over and over in the dream. I wish I could remember that song, but I can't. Speaking of writing songs, I have also written several that deal with the biblical end times and/or the Antichrist. It's funny to hear an audience sing the lyrics of one of my songs along with me and the whole time they have no idea that it's about the Antichrist. They just think it "sounds cool" and that it's probably some kind of smug autobiography since I sing it in the first person.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 7, 2018 19:29:54 GMT
Revelation 6:9-11. This is (for me anyway) an indication that the Book of the Revelation (Apocalypse) isn't intended just for those who lived in the 1st Century.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 19:34:03 GMT
Revelation 6:9-11. This is (for me anyway) an indication that the Book of the Revelation (Apocalypse) isn't intended just for those who lived in the 1st Century. Indeed, among many others. Daniel's 70th week is a compelling reason to disown the first century argument.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 7, 2018 19:38:06 GMT
I did a thread a little while back about the implantable RFID microchip. It's not sci-fi. It's here. It's real. It's now. Many people have posted their dreams and visions about the Mark of the Beast and everyone being numbered, or being executed if they refuse to participate, but I didn't include any of that. I wanted everything to be factual and verifiable. Not surprisingly, when the thread was bumped to the top it was mostly bumped by me. The ungodly ones of the board pretty much ignored it. The thing people don't realize about it is that, although radio waves travel rather slowly, they're still pretty fast. When you turn on a radio you don't have to wait a couple of minutes for the music to start. It's almost instantaneous. The R in RFID stands for radio. The implant isn't the Mark of the Beast now, but it will be, and when it happens it will be almost instantaneous. You won't have time to go to a doctor and get it removed. You won't even have time to grab up a meat cleaver and hack off your own hand. Very few people are taking it seriously. Unfortunately, some have even convinced themselves that Revelation refers to events of the 1st Century AD, as if God wrote a story that ended two thousand years ago. If that's the case, where does that leave us as Christians today? First off, the view that some of the prophecies of Revelation, Daniel and Thessalonians don't refer to a far future generation is ridiculous. In order to believe that, one must ignore obvious context suggesting otherwise. One must also accept flaws in some of the very specific information presented in these prophecies if one were to think that way, since some of those very specific things (provably) did not happen in the first century. Moving on to the chip, I actually take it quite seriously. The RFID provides real solutions to real world problems. Got a dog that runs away all the time? Chip 'em and you'll find him easily. Worried about your kid getting kidnapped? Chip 'em. You'll be hot on the heels of the abductor. Worried about unending terrorism? You have no reason to worry so long as passage into and out of your country requires RFID scans. Worried about financial scams? Harder to steal your info when it's all in your head. I once heard a group of people at work talking about RFID chips as if it was the greatest idea ever. They were all saying "Why aren't we doing this right now as a society?" and "I want one and I will certainly put one in my child." There's reason to fear this technology and that is because most people actually want it and it does, admittedly, solve many problems. Regarding cutting an arm off, I firmly believe that is why the scriptures refer to the mark as being in the hand or the head. I think there will be problems with temperature regulation in the arm, I think there will be an epidemic of people getting their arms chopped off so thieves can access their bank accounts (not unlike how flashing a rolex out a car window in some countries is akin to inviting an amputation) and I think there will be plenty of people who love freedom so much that they are willing to lop their own arms off. Eventually, implantation in the head will become mandatory to stop these problems. On the topic of dreams, I once had three dreams in three straight nights that detailed three different levels of the "end times." The first one was about the Antichrist and the Devil confronting me and asking me to join them. The second was the manner in which America was destroyed. The third focused on a new global religion, but included the chip as a sub-plot. There was also this fantastic song that represented the new global religion playing over and over in the dream. I wish I could remember that song, but I can't. Speaking of writing songs, I have also written several that deal with the biblical end times and/or the Antichrist. It's funny to hear an audience sing the lyrics of one of my songs along with me and the whole time they have no idea that it's about the Antichrist. They just think it "sounds cool" and that it's probably some kind of smug autobiography since I sing it in the first person. I wish there were more people like you who take it seriously, and it's too bad you can't remember the song. I'd like to hear you sing it. You mentioned Enoch earlier, which I admittedly haven't read and know little about, but I seem to remember that Enoch is mentioned in the Letter of Jude, which I think makes a nice preamble to Revelation. Also mentioned in Jude is a dispute between Michael and Satan over the body of Moses. This is a complete mystery, but it is presumed to be taken from an apocryphal text which is now lost.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 20:00:33 GMT
First off, the view that some of the prophecies of Revelation, Daniel and Thessalonians don't refer to a far future generation is ridiculous. In order to believe that, one must ignore obvious context suggesting otherwise. One must also accept flaws in some of the very specific information presented in these prophecies if one were to think that way, since some of those very specific things (provably) did not happen in the first century. Moving on to the chip, I actually take it quite seriously. The RFID provides real solutions to real world problems. Got a dog that runs away all the time? Chip 'em and you'll find him easily. Worried about your kid getting kidnapped? Chip 'em. You'll be hot on the heels of the abductor. Worried about unending terrorism? You have no reason to worry so long as passage into and out of your country requires RFID scans. Worried about financial scams? Harder to steal your info when it's all in your head. I once heard a group of people at work talking about RFID chips as if it was the greatest idea ever. They were all saying "Why aren't we doing this right now as a society?" and "I want one and I will certainly put one in my child." There's reason to fear this technology and that is because most people actually want it and it does, admittedly, solve many problems. Regarding cutting an arm off, I firmly believe that is why the scriptures refer to the mark as being in the hand or the head. I think there will be problems with temperature regulation in the arm, I think there will be an epidemic of people getting their arms chopped off so thieves can access their bank accounts (not unlike how flashing a rolex out a car window in some countries is akin to inviting an amputation) and I think there will be plenty of people who love freedom so much that they are willing to lop their own arms off. Eventually, implantation in the head will become mandatory to stop these problems. On the topic of dreams, I once had three dreams in three straight nights that detailed three different levels of the "end times." The first one was about the Antichrist and the Devil confronting me and asking me to join them. The second was the manner in which America was destroyed. The third focused on a new global religion, but included the chip as a sub-plot. There was also this fantastic song that represented the new global religion playing over and over in the dream. I wish I could remember that song, but I can't. Speaking of writing songs, I have also written several that deal with the biblical end times and/or the Antichrist. It's funny to hear an audience sing the lyrics of one of my songs along with me and the whole time they have no idea that it's about the Antichrist. They just think it "sounds cool" and that it's probably some kind of smug autobiography since I sing it in the first person. I wish there were more people like you who take it seriously, and it's too bad you can't remember the song. I'd like to hear you sing it. You mentioned Enoch earlier, which I admittedly haven't read and know little about, but I seem to remember that Enoch is mentioned in the Letter of Jude, which I think makes a nice preamble to Revelation. Also mentioned in Jude is a dispute between Michael and Satan over the body of Moses. This is a complete mystery, but it is presumed to be taken from an apocryphal text which is now lost. The apocryphal book Enoch, is a fantastic read. I am convinced that it should have been Canon. Although I err on the side of caution and treat it as fiction, it has always spiritually felt like truth to me (whereas other apocryphal works felt very much like fan fiction). The main reason Enoch is not Canon is because early Christians didn't want to admit that angels had sex with humans. That was the big bugaboo. An entire passage of the book of Enoch is quoted word-for-word in Jude, which, interestingly enough is a prophecy that is contextually very clear as being for a far future generation. (As a sidenote, this quoted passage of Enoch found in Jude settles the debate about why Sodom was punished: for its homosexual promiscuity, pure and simple.) The debate between Michael and Satan is poignantly in Jude, amidst several far future prophecies. Do you think it's any coincidence that, amidst far future prophecies, further validity to Enoch as an end times prophet is bolstered while the debate as to whether Moses did indeed die is robustly concluded? I don't To me it's God's fun way of reminding me that Moses died, but that there actually was someone long forgotten about who did not. Of course, I also like that Jude backs up the literal interpretation of the nephilim story (while reminding us that even Michael solely relies on God's power to subdue Satan), since the nephilim story greatly expands upon the stories of the Flood, the Amelkites and Goliath and should help salve any butthurt anyone feels about those stories, since, when put in proper perspective, God's actions always reveal a pro-human stance rather than the oft-decried (false) anti-human stance.
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Post by clusium on Feb 7, 2018 20:03:09 GMT
I wish there were more people like you who take it seriously, and it's too bad you can't remember the song. I'd like to hear you sing it. You mentioned Enoch earlier, which I admittedly haven't read and know little about, but I seem to remember that Enoch is mentioned in the Letter of Jude, which I think makes a nice preamble to Revelation. Also mentioned in Jude is a dispute between Michael and Satan over the body of Moses. This is a complete mystery, but it is presumed to be taken from an apocryphal text which is now lost. The apocryphal book Enoch, is a fantastic read. I am convinced that it should have been Canon. Although I err on the side of caution and treat it as fiction, it has always spiritually felt like truth to me (whereas other apocryphal works felt very much like fan fiction). The main reason Enoch is not Canon is because early Christians didn't want to admit that angels had sex with humans. That was the big bugaboo. An entire passage of the book of Enoch is quoted word-for-word in Jude, which, interestingly enough is a prophecy that is contextually very clear as being for a far future generation. (As a sidenote, this quoted passage of Enoch found in Jude settles the debate about why Sodom was punished: for its homosexual promiscuity, pure and simple.) The debate between Michael and Satan is poignantly in Jude, amidst several far future prophecies. Do you think it's any coincidence that, amidst far future prophecies, further validity to Enoch as an end times prophet is bolstered while the debate as to whether Moses did indeed die is robustly concluded? I don't To me it's God's fun way of reminding me that Moses died, but that there actually was someone long forgotten about who did not. Of course, I also like that Jude backs up the literal interpretation of the nephilim story (while reminding us that even Michael solely relies on God's power to subdue Satan), since the nephilim story greatly expands upon the stories of the Flood, the Amelkites and Goliath and should help salve any butthurt anyone feels about those stories, since, when put in proper perspective, God's actions always reveal a pro-human stance rather than the oft-decried (false) anti-human stance. Actually, the Book of Enoch is in the Coptic Canon.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 20:10:28 GMT
The apocryphal book Enoch, is a fantastic read. I am convinced that it should have been Canon. Although I err on the side of caution and treat it as fiction, it has always spiritually felt like truth to me (whereas other apocryphal works felt very much like fan fiction). The main reason Enoch is not Canon is because early Christians didn't want to admit that angels had sex with humans. That was the big bugaboo. An entire passage of the book of Enoch is quoted word-for-word in Jude, which, interestingly enough is a prophecy that is contextually very clear as being for a far future generation. (As a sidenote, this quoted passage of Enoch found in Jude settles the debate about why Sodom was punished: for its homosexual promiscuity, pure and simple.) The debate between Michael and Satan is poignantly in Jude, amidst several far future prophecies. Do you think it's any coincidence that, amidst far future prophecies, further validity to Enoch as an end times prophet is bolstered while the debate as to whether Moses did indeed die is robustly concluded? I don't To me it's God's fun way of reminding me that Moses died, but that there actually was someone long forgotten about who did not. Of course, I also like that Jude backs up the literal interpretation of the nephilim story (while reminding us that even Michael solely relies on God's power to subdue Satan), since the nephilim story greatly expands upon the stories of the Flood, the Amelkites and Goliath and should help salve any butthurt anyone feels about those stories, since, when put in proper perspective, God's actions always reveal a pro-human stance rather than the oft-decried (false) anti-human stance. Actually, the Book of Enoch is in the Coptic Canon. I suppose I should be more specific and state that I am referring to Protestant Canon. Ha, I once got in a debate with a Catholic buddy who said Raphael was mentioned in the Bible. I, of course, was adamant that, no, Raphael was never mentioned in the Bible. We were both right!
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Post by clusium on Feb 7, 2018 20:12:19 GMT
Actually, the Book of Enoch is in the Coptic Canon. I suppose I should be more specific and state that I am referring to Protestant Canon. Ha, I once got in a debate with a Catholic buddy who said Raphael was mentioned in the Bible. I, of course, was adamant that, no, Raphael was never mentioned in the Bible. We were both right! Yes, Catholic Bibles have 7 more Books in their Old Testaments than Protestant Bibles do, & then the various Orthodox Bibles (i.e.: Russian, Coptic, etc) in turn, have more Books in their Old Testaments than Catholic Bibles do.
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