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Post by goz on Feb 11, 2018 21:37:03 GMT
Aside from being a cool sounding thread title, I want to discuss how people/posters get their information.
It is alarming that any idiot can post a video on YouTube and the ignorant lap it up because they don't have even the rudimentary basics that are involved in researching a topic, its veracity and the source of the information.
IMHO this is the main thing that should be taught near the end of high school BOTH for those intending to pursue a college or tertiary education butt EVEN more so, so that the general population is more informed in this day and age of information technology.
Frankly it is frightening that so many people are so ill-informed and again IMHO it comes down to lack of quality education and a laziness that is endemic and which is exploited by certain news outlets for propaganda purposes.
...and I give you Trump...just as one example.
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Post by maya55555 on Feb 11, 2018 22:18:26 GMT
TRY THIS:
 VIEW FULL SIZE.
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Feb 11, 2018 22:21:28 GMT
TRY THIS:
VIEW FULL SIZE.
If you're going to tell someone to look in a mirror then you might want to wait until that person accuses others of something she is guilty of herself. In other words, do it CORRECTLY. |
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Post by gadreel on Feb 11, 2018 22:33:13 GMT
TRY THIS:
VIEW FULL SIZE.
If you're going to tell someone to look in a mirror then you might want to wait until that person accuses others of something she is guilty of herself. In other words, do it CORRECTLY. wow, what an idiot. |
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Post by maya55555 on Feb 11, 2018 22:37:30 GMT
Brandon
MYOB. Try that for once, when you are blind to a situation. Why the need to defend that trouble maker? Are you her MOTH?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 11, 2018 22:38:46 GMT
Aside from being a cool sounding thread title, I want to discuss how people/posters get their information. It is alarming that any idiot can post a video on YouTube and the ignorant lap it up because they don't have even the rudimentary basics that are involved in researching a topic, its veracity and the source of the information. IMHO this is the main thing that should be taught near the end of high school BOTH for those intending to pursue a college or tertiary education butt EVEN more so, so that the general population is more informed in this day and age of information technology. Frankly it is frightening that so many people are so ill-informed and again IMHO it comes down to lack of quality education and a laziness that is endemic and which is exploited by certain news outlets for propaganda purposes. ...and I give you Trump...just as one example. If it bugs you, assume it's your responsibility to educate people. |
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Feb 11, 2018 22:39:49 GMT
Brandon
MYOB. Try that for once, when you are blind to a situation. Now it's time for that mirror! |
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Post by maya55555 on Feb 11, 2018 22:41:14 GMT
brandon
See above and do not be in a hurry to make a fool of yourself.
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Feb 11, 2018 22:44:13 GMT
brandon
See above and do not be in a hurry to make a fool of yourself. Whoa, slowdown on kicking your own ass. It's painful to watch. |
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Post by maya55555 on Feb 11, 2018 23:09:26 GMT
CoolJGS
That is a commendable idea, assuming that goz has knowledge of any subject.
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Post by kls on Feb 11, 2018 23:36:02 GMT
I see the arrogance of ignorance as people who are proud of not knowing something/how to do something. It's as if to take the effort is beneath them and they expect the peons will wipe their arses and take care of them. Work and responsibility are for suckers to them.
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Post by permutojoe on Feb 12, 2018 1:09:53 GMT
Except high schools are institutions of establishment propaganda themselves and it would be counterproductive to teach kids too much in the way of critical thinking skills.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Feb 12, 2018 3:07:39 GMT
I've said for years that rationality should be a part of the basic school curriculum from grade school on. I've never understood the idea of teaching kids what to think but rarely bothering to teach them how to think. That the ignorant are typically the most arrogant is a well-documented phenomena known as Dunning-Kruger effect, where incompetence breeds a lack of self-awareness of one's own limitations. Sadly, the reverse--the most competent are too self-aware and think themselves less competent than they are--is also true.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 12, 2018 3:35:23 GMT
Being ignorant is not the problem of the education system though.
What are they teaching them that they shouldn't know?
Maybe they should teach them to do more outside the classroom but a kid is going to take that as more homework.
It is not necessary for a kid to know all the things an adult should. Really there's only so much stuff that is important for health and happiness anyway.
For example, just most debates regarding religion are on the stupid side.
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Post by goz on Feb 12, 2018 5:03:31 GMT
Except high schools are institutions of establishment propaganda themselves and it would be counterproductive to teach kids too much in the way of critical thinking skills. I couldn't disagree more, and I think you do a great disservice to the professionalism of most teachers. |
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Post by goz on Feb 12, 2018 5:09:05 GMT
Being ignorant is not the problem of the education system though. What are they teaching them that they shouldn't know? Maybe they should teach them to do more outside the classroom but a kid is going to take that as more homework. It is not necessary for a kid to know all the things an adult should. Really there's only so much stuff that is important for health and happiness anyway. For example, just most debates regarding religion are on the stupid side. You have totally missed the point. Teaching children how to think, how to write essays and express themselves and most especially how to source information in this wonderful technology that we have today, with wisdom and skill is crucial to combat ignorance. It IS a skill and can and should be taught from a fairly young age. This would NOT mean more homework or more work, in fact less and the children use the proper use of tools to do the work for them to access knowledge. I couldn't agree more. It is quite unnecessary and foolish for religious people to have to try to defend themselves when they come from such an untenable, unprovable, illogical, antiquated and unrealistic position in this day and age. [/quote] |
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Post by goz on Feb 12, 2018 9:00:21 GMT
I couldn't disagree more, and I think you do a great disservice to the professionalism of most teachers. Is professionalism and the establishment propaganda the same thing though? What if it's propaganda being taught in a professional manner? With respect, I think you have not thought this through. This post is about the arrogance of ignorance and yet things like the professionalism of a class of people who have already been taught how to think and research and earn knowledge that is worth passing on as teachers do, is what I am hoping is the saviour of society. You really need a class of teachers that have enough knowledge to pass on to improve the ignorance, and if that is not there, then society is doomed. Perhaps that has already happened in USA to have a class of people who are so ignorant that they elect someone like Trump? I sincerely hope not. I tend to blame popular culture and the culture of 'celebrity' in the US over the culture of knowledge and learning. |
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Post by goz on Feb 12, 2018 9:37:31 GMT
With respect, I think you have not thought this through. This post is about the arrogance of ignorance and yet things like the professionalism of a class of people who have already been taught how to think and research and earn knowledge that is worth passing on as teachers do, is what I am hoping is the saviour of society. You really need a class of teachers that have enough knowledge to pass on to improve the ignorance, and if that is not there, then society is doomed. Perhaps that has already happened in USA to have a class of people who are so ignorant that they elect someone like Trump? I sincerely hope not. I tend to blame popular culture and the culture of 'celebrity' in the US over the culture of knowledge and learning. It was more the comment I was focusing on that the original poster made that I tend to agree with. I am not quite certain about your savior of society comment. I don't see that there is going to be a savior of society, just as there is no savior for our souls. Each and everyone of us need to learn to take upon the journey ourselves. We save ourselves in a sense, with the tools and information provided before us.
I get what you are saying about the quality of the teaching and the approach that needs to be adhered to, but the bigger questions begs to ask, what is it that is being taught and what space is it coming from? Like I was suggesting, professionalism can be attributed to any vocation, it's what it's underlying purpose is serving that is important. Is research and knowledge really the answer, if the knowledge being attained isn't being used wisely? Many intelligent and academic\scholarly people are sitting in influential positions, but it doesn't mean they are necessarily wise. Is the mentoring coming from a "truthful" and "noble" space. I may have digressed a bit from what your point here, but I suppose I am also rounding it out a bit here.
Look, to be quite honest, after the Americans elected Trump, I am quite worried about ant-intellectualism and hopeful that the educated professional classes in America which have hitherto led the world in so many scientific and humanitarian fields will stand up and be counted. What has happened in the rest of the world's eyes is outrageous....is there really an endemic dumbing down of America? |
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Post by kls on Feb 12, 2018 11:28:03 GMT
Except high schools are institutions of establishment propaganda themselves and it would be counterproductive to teach kids too much in the way of critical thinking skills. I couldn't disagree more, and I think you do a great disservice to the professionalism of most teachers. Exactly. I'm constantly working on getting my students to use critical thinking skills. I want them to reason out why they have such and such opinion. Where did it come from? Was the source possibly biased? Did they look at all sides? |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 12, 2018 11:38:47 GMT
Being ignorant is not the problem of the education system though. What are they teaching them that they shouldn't know? Maybe they should teach them to do more outside the classroom but a kid is going to take that as more homework. It is not necessary for a kid to know all the things an adult should. Really there's only so much stuff that is important for health and happiness anyway. For example, just most debates regarding religion are on the stupid side. You have totally missed the point. Teaching children how to think, how to write essays and express themselves and most especially how to source information in this wonderful technology that we have today, with wisdom and skill is crucial to combat ignorance. It IS a skill and can and should be taught from a fairly young age. This would NOT mean more homework or more work, in fact less and the children use the proper use of tools to do the work for them to access knowledge. I couldn't agree more. It is quite unnecessary and foolish for religious people to have to try to defend themselves when they come from such an untenable, unprovable, illogical, antiquated and unrealistic position in this day and age. I don't know what your kids do, but my kids do all the things you mention. I wish people would just be specific about what they want to see. Using silly trigger words does not progress anything and ironically keeps people ignorant to what your point is. What specifically do you want them to learn that would combat ignorance on the internet of all places? Your statement on what religious people should do is one of the stupid arguments I'm talking about so thanks for that example. This seems to be turning more and more into a whiny thread about why you can;t find m,ore people like you which may be tied to arrogance, but it is not ignorant to not think like you. |
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