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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 13:36:58 GMT
Well Warner Bros has made a lot of mistakes with DC superheroes but we can't blame them for Superman III and Superman IV. Warner Bros didn't have the film rights to Superman, the Salkinds did. After Superman III they sold the rights to Canon Films, who made Superman IV.. Yeah. You are right. Warner Bros can't be blamed for 'Superman 3 or 4' 'cause they were made by the Salkinds but why did they sell the movie rights to the Salkinds in the first place instead of making the 'Superman' movies themselves? From what I know Time Warner was not formed until 1989 when Warner Communications and Time Inc merged but Warner Communications had owned DC since the 1970s and would have owned the movie rights over all the characters so they sold it to the Salkinds who then sold it to Canon Films. Did Canon Films own the rights still when 'Lois and Clark' was on air in the 90s or had Time Warner got it back by then?
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Post by General Kenobi on May 26, 2018 17:06:37 GMT
I think the Salkinds bought the film rights to Superman before Warner Bros bought DC Comics. But I'm not 100% sure of that.
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Post by dazz on May 26, 2018 17:30:42 GMT
according to wiki and
So WB has owned DC since 72, probasbly just thought it was a way to get extra cash for something they had no interest in risking their money doing at the time, I mean it's not like today where everyone knows a major comic property can be a license to print money, hence places buying even smaller companies so they can own wholly the entire thing, instead of just owning the film or TV rights, merchandising baby that's where the big money is at.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 11:51:21 GMT
according to wiki and So WB has owned DC since 72, probasbly just thought it was a way to get extra cash for something they had no interest in risking their money doing at the time, I mean it's not like today where everyone knows a major comic property can be a license to print money, hence places buying even smaller companies so they can own wholly the entire thing, instead of just owning the film or TV rights, merchandising baby that's where the big money is at. Thank you for posting that Dazz. I was going to reply to this post when I was on the other night but I got caught up replying to other posts on here and posting new threads too and forgot about it until after I logged out of the forum. What I was going to say was I think you are right about Warner Bros not seeing DC as anything particularly special at the time and only owning the company to get extra cash and I think even after the success of Christopher Reeve’s ‘Superman’ they didn’t take superhero movies seriously which is why we had to wait so long to get them. A lot of fans point to the failure of ‘Batman & Robin’ as one of the main reasons why WB haven’t made movies of many of DC’s biggest selling superheroes outside of Superman and Batman but I kinda think it was the failure of ‘Steel’ and other movies like ‘Constantine’ and ‘Jonah Hex’ that caused far more damage ‘cause it made them believe only Batman and Superman could have successful movies.
I was just saying on another post earlier outside of their female superheroes Marvel have adapted all of their biggest selling superheroes on screen and we have had countless movies of Spider-Man, The Incredible Hulk, X Men, Fantastic Four, Iron Man, Daredevil, the Punisher, Thor, Ghost Rider, Captain America, Thor, Blade, Men In Black, Doctor Strange, Ant Man, Guardians of the Galaxy, Nick Fury and others while DC have only had a quarter of their superheroes on screen and a lot of them like ‘Steel’, ‘Swamp Thing’, ‘Jonah Hex’ and ‘Suicide Squad’ are not their biggest sellers. When you have a look at the MCU and Marvels latest comic books and the DCEU and Rebirth and New 52 it shows a complete disconnect between DC’s comics and their movies. I mean we are finally getting the likes of ‘Birds of Prey’, ‘Batgirl’, ‘Nightwing’, ‘the Flash’, ‘Aquaman’ and ‘Shazam’ now but where is ‘Supergirl’, ‘Green Arrow’, ‘Teen Titans’, ‘Red Hood and the Outlaws’, ‘Batwoman’, ‘Blue Beetle’, ‘Raven: Daughter of Darkness’, ‘Bombshells’, ‘Hellblazer’, ‘Deathstroke’, ‘Catwoman’, ‘Secret Six’, ‘Doctor Fate’, ‘Legion of Superheroes’, ‘Dark Knights Metal’, 'Harley Quinn/ Power Girl', 'Worlds Finest (Power Girl and The Huntress', ‘Martian Manhunter’, ‘Midnighter’, ‘Black Canary’, ‘Voodoo’, ‘We Are Robin’, ’Starfire’, ‘The Omega Man’, 'Gen 13', 'The Ravengers' etc?
These are all comic book titles that had full time series in Rebirth and the New 52 and right now with Rebirth ‘Detective Comics’ with Batman, the Spoiler, Orphan, Batwoman, Red Robin, Clayface, Azrael Bluebird and Batwing among others has been one of their biggest selling series for the last two years and we have had virtually none of them on the big screen where Marvel has used most of theirs and my Brother In Law thinks Warner Bros are too far behind with adapting their superheroes and need to pull their fingers out and I think he is right and hopefully we will start getting more Rebirth and New 52 titles announced soon so we can actually have a DCEU that mirrors the comic books like the MCU does for the most part except for their female superheroes.
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Post by BexxyJ on Jun 6, 2018 13:48:30 GMT
according to wiki and So WB has owned DC since 72, probasbly just thought it was a way to get extra cash for something they had no interest in risking their money doing at the time, I mean it's not like today where everyone knows a major comic property can be a license to print money, hence places buying even smaller companies so they can own wholly the entire thing, instead of just owning the film or TV rights, merchandising baby that's where the big money is at. Thank you for posting that Dazz. I was going to reply to this post when I was on the other night but I got caught up replying to other posts on here and posting new threads too and forgot about it until after I logged out of the forum. What I was going to say was I think you are right about Warner Bros not seeing DC as anything particularly special at the time and only owning the company to get extra cash and I think even after the success of Christopher Reeve’s ‘Superman’ they didn’t take superhero movies seriously which is why we had to wait so long to get them. A lot of fans point to the failure of ‘Batman & Robin’ as one of the main reasons why WB haven’t made movies of many of DC’s biggest selling superheroes outside of Superman and Batman but I kinda think it was the failure of ‘Steel’ and other movies like ‘Constantine’ and ‘Jonah Hex’ that caused far more damage ‘cause it made them believe only Batman and Superman could have successful movies.
I was just saying on another post earlier outside of their female superheroes Marvel have adapted all of their biggest selling superheroes on screen and we have had countless movies of Spider-Man, The Incredible Hulk, X Men, Fantastic Four, Iron Man, Daredevil, the Punisher, Thor, Ghost Rider, Captain America, Thor, Blade, Men In Black, Doctor Strange, Ant Man, Guardians of the Galaxy, Nick Fury and others while DC have only had a quarter of their superheroes on screen and a lot of them like ‘Steel’, ‘Swamp Thing’, ‘Jonah Hex’ and ‘Suicide Squad’ are not their biggest sellers. When you have a look at the MCU and Marvels latest comic books and the DCEU and Rebirth and New 52 it shows a complete disconnect between DC’s comics and their movies. I mean we are finally getting the likes of ‘Birds of Prey’, ‘Batgirl’, ‘Nightwing’, ‘the Flash’, ‘Aquaman’ and ‘Shazam’ now but where is ‘Supergirl’, ‘Green Arrow’, ‘Teen Titans’, ‘Red Hood and the Outlaws’, ‘Batwoman’, ‘Blue Beetle’, ‘Raven: Daughter of Darkness’, ‘Bombshells’, ‘Hellblazer’, ‘Deathstroke’, ‘Catwoman’, ‘Secret Six’, ‘Doctor Fate’, ‘Legion of Superheroes’, ‘Dark Knights Metal’, 'Harley Quinn/ Power Girl', 'Worlds Finest (Power Girl and The Huntress', ‘Martian Manhunter’, ‘Midnighter’, ‘Black Canary’, ‘Voodoo’, ‘We Are Robin’, ’Starfire’, ‘The Omega Man’, 'Gen 13', 'The Ravengers' etc?
These are all comic book titles that had full time series in Rebirth and the New 52 and right now with Rebirth ‘Detective Comics’ with Batman, the Spoiler, Orphan, Batwoman, Red Robin, Clayface, Azrael Bluebird and Batwing among others has been one of their biggest selling series for the last two years and we have had virtually none of them on the big screen where Marvel has used most of theirs and my Brother In Law thinks Warner Bros are too far behind with adapting their superheroes and need to pull their fingers out and I think he is right and hopefully we will start getting more Rebirth and New 52 titles announced soon so we can actually have a DCEU that mirrors the comic books like the MCU does for the most part except for their female superheroes. Damn. That is a lot of titles DC hasn't had as movies compared to Marvel and a lot of those have women. Debbie you know we mustn't have that. No wonder Marvel are beating them. They have had little to compete with.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jun 6, 2018 13:51:59 GMT
Marvel has been beating DC like a red headed stepchild. DC has screwed the pooch so badly that they took themselves out of the race before it started.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 12:15:15 GMT
Thank you for posting that Dazz. I was going to reply to this post when I was on the other night but I got caught up replying to other posts on here and posting new threads too and forgot about it until after I logged out of the forum. What I was going to say was I think you are right about Warner Bros not seeing DC as anything particularly special at the time and only owning the company to get extra cash and I think even after the success of Christopher Reeve’s ‘Superman’ they didn’t take superhero movies seriously which is why we had to wait so long to get them. A lot of fans point to the failure of ‘Batman & Robin’ as one of the main reasons why WB haven’t made movies of many of DC’s biggest selling superheroes outside of Superman and Batman but I kinda think it was the failure of ‘Steel’ and other movies like ‘Constantine’ and ‘Jonah Hex’ that caused far more damage ‘cause it made them believe only Batman and Superman could have successful movies.
I was just saying on another post earlier outside of their female superheroes Marvel have adapted all of their biggest selling superheroes on screen and we have had countless movies of Spider-Man, The Incredible Hulk, X Men, Fantastic Four, Iron Man, Daredevil, the Punisher, Thor, Ghost Rider, Captain America, Thor, Blade, Men In Black, Doctor Strange, Ant Man, Guardians of the Galaxy, Nick Fury and others while DC have only had a quarter of their superheroes on screen and a lot of them like ‘Steel’, ‘Swamp Thing’, ‘Jonah Hex’ and ‘Suicide Squad’ are not their biggest sellers. When you have a look at the MCU and Marvels latest comic books and the DCEU and Rebirth and New 52 it shows a complete disconnect between DC’s comics and their movies. I mean we are finally getting the likes of ‘Birds of Prey’, ‘Batgirl’, ‘Nightwing’, ‘the Flash’, ‘Aquaman’ and ‘Shazam’ now but where is ‘Supergirl’, ‘Green Arrow’, ‘Teen Titans’, ‘Red Hood and the Outlaws’, ‘Batwoman’, ‘Blue Beetle’, ‘Raven: Daughter of Darkness’, ‘Bombshells’, ‘Hellblazer’, ‘Deathstroke’, ‘Catwoman’, ‘Secret Six’, ‘Doctor Fate’, ‘Legion of Superheroes’, ‘Dark Knights Metal’, 'Harley Quinn/ Power Girl', 'Worlds Finest (Power Girl and The Huntress', ‘Martian Manhunter’, ‘Midnighter’, ‘Black Canary’, ‘Voodoo’, ‘We Are Robin’, ’Starfire’, ‘The Omega Man’, 'Gen 13', 'The Ravengers' etc?
These are all comic book titles that had full time series in Rebirth and the New 52 and right now with Rebirth ‘Detective Comics’ with Batman, the Spoiler, Orphan, Batwoman, Red Robin, Clayface, Azrael Bluebird and Batwing among others has been one of their biggest selling series for the last two years and we have had virtually none of them on the big screen where Marvel has used most of theirs and my Brother In Law thinks Warner Bros are too far behind with adapting their superheroes and need to pull their fingers out and I think he is right and hopefully we will start getting more Rebirth and New 52 titles announced soon so we can actually have a DCEU that mirrors the comic books like the MCU does for the most part except for their female superheroes. Damn. That is a lot of titles DC hasn't had as movies compared to Marvel and a lot of those have women. Debbie you know we mustn't have that. No wonder Marvel are beating them. They have had little to compete with. Yes. It is and after this amount of years we should have had them on screen by now and we shouldn't still be waiting to see Barbara Gordon as Batgirl and Dick Grayson as Nightwing in a movie or other Bat Family characters like the Spoiler, Orphan, Batwoman, Red Robin and Red Hood in live action who have been around for ages. If Nolan had done the Batman movies right we would have got them and we could have had 'Teen Titans' and 'Birds of Prey' movies too but Christopher Nolan keeping the rest of the Bat Family out of the movies put DC on hold for a decade and prevented them from making other movies. Hollywood's hatred of female superheroes also kept a lot of female superheroes off screen too including Linda Danvers/Supergirl who was supposed to have a movie in the early 00s.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 12:25:23 GMT
Marvel has been beating DC like a red headed stepchild. DC has screwed the pooch so badly that they took themselves out of the race before it started. There is no doubting that when it comes to movies but I don't count the DCEU as DC 'cause none of people working at DC haven't been writing the movies and it is only now that Geoff Johns is being put in a writer's position to actually write the movies we could see a real change going forward with the DCEU and a DC movie Universe that is similar to the comic books. I liked his 'Legion of Superheroes' and 'Justice Society of America' episodes of 'Smallville' and I think he could be good at writing the movies but they should be letting Jim Lee write the movies too and getting other writers like Scott Snyder, James Tynion IV, Marv Wolfman, Jim Balent, Gail Simone, Tim Seeley, Paul Dini, Marguerite Bennett, Chuck Dixon, Greg Rucka, Steve Orlando, Hope Larson, Joshua Williamson, Scott Lobdelland Brenden Fletcher and other comic book writers who are experienced with the characters write the movies too. As far as comic books, animated movies, TV shows and video games though DC have been beating Marvel and a lot of series in DC Rebirth like 'Detective Comics Rebirth' have been awesome.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jun 13, 2018 13:26:43 GMT
I think D.C.'s biggest problem is Warner Bros having too much interference. Disney is hands off with Marvel Studios. Which I think makes all the difference in the world.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 13:12:47 GMT
I think D.C.'s biggest problem is Warner Bros having too much interference. Disney is hands off with Marvel Studios. Which I think makes all the difference in the world. No doubt. Warner Bros is DC's biggest problem and looking back at all the problems they have caused for not just DC movies but TV shows they really should butt out 'cause they cause so many problems. I was always surprised over how 'Smallville' was able to get away with using so many characters they never let anybody else use and I read there was some type of special clause with 'Smallville' that they had free reign over a lot of characters that allowed them to and Warner Bros were not on board with it and were happy when the show ended. This was during a time when they were going to court with the Siegel family over the rights of Superman and the Siegel family won back the rights for Superman for a short time but Warner Bros took it back to court and ended up getting them back. They also won the rights of Superboy back but Warner Bros took them back to court and got them back too. One thing I read is certain is Warner Bros are going to lose the rights for both Superman and Batman in 15 years from now. Hopefully AT&T sack all the Warner Bros workers and put new people in charge when they take over. I heard they have plans for DC shows on HBO and want to shake up the company. New leadership could be just what they need.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jun 20, 2018 13:22:33 GMT
The writers of Infinity Wars have some thoughts on how to save the DCEU.
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Post by BexxyJ on Jun 22, 2018 8:05:24 GMT
Damn. That is a lot of titles DC hasn't had as movies compared to Marvel and a lot of those have women. Debbie you know we mustn't have that. No wonder Marvel are beating them. They have had little to compete with. Yes. It is and after this amount of years we should have had them on screen by now and we shouldn't still be waiting to see Barbara Gordon as Batgirl and Dick Grayson as Nightwing in a movie or other Bat Family characters like the Spoiler, Orphan, Batwoman, Red Robin and Red Hood in live action who have been around for ages. If Nolan had done the Batman movies right we would have got them and we could have had 'Teen Titans' and 'Birds of Prey' movies too but Christopher Nolan keeping the rest of the Bat Family out of the movies put DC on hold for a decade and prevented them from making other movies. Hollywood's hatred of female superheroes also kept a lot of female superheroes off screen too including Linda Danvers/Supergirl who was supposed to have a movie in the early 00s. Nollan's movies were stinkbombs. There was no ner, ner, ner, ner, ner, ner, ner Batman theme, golly gee or holy ghost Batman or pows, bangs or kapows. I felt like I was ripped off. I wanted to see Batman movies and we got a guy in a black suit with a weirdass voice. It is time to bring all the good stuff back.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Jun 22, 2018 15:24:24 GMT
The writers of Infinity Wars have some thoughts on how to save the DCEU. The funny thing is, what they described is essentially how the Arrowverse started; and they were more or less spot on in that effect, up to a point. They took the Green Arrow, a character who outside of the comics or Smallville wasn't well known, and was basically a Batman knock-off, and they created this really simple show that was really easy to get into; without any preconceptions or expectations about what the series should be. And it worked; it worked really well. I even remember, and I've got the occasional Facebook memories post to remind me that going into watching the first episode of Arrow, I was skeptical, but by the end I was sold that this was going to be a really good show. And it was, and then they decided to build on that success in season 2 by introducing a character for a prospective spin-off named Barry Allen; and everyone wondered how good is that show going to be? This guy doesn't even have blonde hair, and Arrow is set in such a grounded world - not unlike the original Iron Man movie - how are they going to do a story about a geeky guy receiving extra-normal abilities? But then they did that and it was great too. The problem of course is twofold. First, the people in charge didn't have a unifying vision of what they wanted to do; and whilst mostly indifferent to the tv show properties, and probably satisfied by their positive performances, they weren't the same as making successful movies, so fuck 'em. They basically said, "They can play in our sandbox so long as they don't make too much of a mess; and they can play with some of our toys, so as long as we don't want to play with them, or think we might play with them somewhere down the road." In a nutshell, they took no true ownership of their own brand. Second, the people in charge of the actual content of the tv shows began to neglect them, by spreading themselves too thin, and resting on their laurels and then killing them. They haven't maintained their creative standards, with them boiling everything down to a concentrated formula of what worked best to start with, and becoming too self-referential; which many shows succumb to, but it means little to no creative innovation. And the restrictions put on by the higher-ups didn't help.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jun 23, 2018 12:40:07 GMT
Yep. You're absolutely correct. You have to have a unifying vision and you have to keep paying attention to what is going on.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 11:50:30 GMT
The writers of Infinity Wars have some thoughts on how to save the DCEU. Stargazer brings up a lot of good points in his post above and Warner Bros kinda already went down that path with some of DC’s lesser known characters with movies of ‘Steel’, ‘Jonah Hex’ and ‘Constantine’ in the 90s and 00s and a lot of fans complained over them getting their own movies before Wonder Woman, The Flash and Teen Titans back then and I think DC needs to stick with their biggest sellers for now ‘cause we haven’t had the majority of them in movies while Marvel have pretty much had all of their biggest names in movies as I mentioned above. I also think they should take some cues from Image Comics and create new superheroes too ‘cause Warner Bros aren’t going to have these superheroes forever with a number of them becoming Public Domain characters and if DC were to create a brand new superhero for the movies and had success with it they could use it to kick off a new series and do something both them and Marvel have never done. The biggest problem DC and Marvel face with new characters is a lot of creators don't want to hand away the rights for characters they create anymore and don't trust the companies 'cause of how many writers were screwed in the past and Image Comics was formed for that reason and it is why Image Comics has had the most successful new series in the past 20- 30 years.
DC and Marvel need to give full or half ownership and control over new characters to the creators and work with them and then they will get more writers joining their companies and creating new characters for them.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jun 25, 2018 23:37:22 GMT
But we can't have that because a good Laurel is a threat to Olicity!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2018 13:30:58 GMT
But we can't have that because a good Laurel is a threat to Olicity! Any female character that appears in 'Arrow' and has possibility of being a love interest to Oliver is a threat to Olicity according to Olicity fans. I remember when they were freaking out over the possibility of Oliver getting back together with Samantha for William and they hated Nyssa when she was seen as a threat too and would have probably hated Thea too if she hadn't been his sister. They are kinda like the 'Supernatural' fans who go on a rampage over any female character that could be a love interest for Sam and Dean except in 'Arrow' Oliver was allowed to have Felicity where in 'Supernatural' nobody was allowed to have Sam or Dean except them.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jul 6, 2018 13:44:25 GMT
Which go to show. Despite how great and powerful they say the love between Oliver and Felicity, they don't really believe that. They know it's a fragile thing because it has no firm foundation and can easily fall apart.
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Post by dazz on Jul 6, 2018 15:37:02 GMT
Well its because their not Olicity fans even, if they were the fandom would be divided when the couple quarrels, but look at them their 99.99% on Felicity's side no matter what, they for some reason have an unstable attachment to this secondary character played by a one note actress and they only support Olicity because that puts that character in the forefront, fuck those people.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jul 7, 2018 14:55:35 GMT
You're absolutely right. There is never an division between the fanbase when Oliver and Felicity break up or have an argument. Felicity is always right and Oliver is always wrong. This slavish devotion is to her and not the romance and like you said by giving her the love of the main star of the show they increase her visibility.
Man, fuck these people!
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