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Post by lowtacks86 on Feb 17, 2018 23:53:47 GMT
"In a prison, the whereabouts of prisoners are known (or should be known) at all times." Not really, prisoners have more freedom than you realize. It's not like they're in cells all days, there's a reason stabbings/beatings/rape is so rampant in prison. Not to mention drug distribution/use is incredibly widespread in prison. "They have other equipment that allows them to be located if they are separated from the chain of command." But the equipment could get lost, damaged, stolen, etc, having chips implanted would almost guarantee they could be traced anytime and less prone to getting lost/taken prisoner. So, may I take it that you do believe the real purpose of the implant is for tracking people? You know, kind of like an I-phone that you can't misplace? "real purpose of the implant is for tracking people?" What else would it be for?
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Post by lowtacks86 on Feb 17, 2018 23:55:37 GMT
Would you be opposed to prisoners having these implanted if it meant prison violence was severely reduced? Or it would mean making it much easier to capture prison escapees? How about soldiers? If they were inured, lost, or captured, wouldn't it be good to know where they are? That's a "no" for me across the board. Even if meant soldiers would be safer?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 23:58:33 GMT
That's a "no" for me across the board. Even if meant soldiers would be safer Under no circumstances.
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Post by Arlon10 on Feb 17, 2018 23:59:33 GMT
Thanks again for your contributions to the discussion. I have spent more time than most people studying the problem of evil. I believe that there is such a thing. I believe it is extremely rare though. I suspect most of the "evil" in the world is just misguided, poorly educated, more or less decent human beings who can learn better. I believe in self defense against any real immediate threat no matter how "evil" it is. Most threats are not immediate however. It is a shame how often self defense is incorrectly invoked. I believe it is possible to quickly recognize the cause of trouble. I believe more and more people are learning how. I believe the solutions will be more and more effective before trouble escalates too far. You have to get through Monday before you can get to Friday. By the same token, the Satanic New World Order will be established before the new earth is created. Revelation tells us right off the bat (Chapter 1, Verse 1) that these things must happen. No fun accepting it, but the Great Tribulation is planned already, and it won't be avoided. Arlon10, you're one of the posters on this board whom I've got a lot of respect for, but I had to shed my new age illusions about six years ago, and I wish I had done it sooner. I don't think we do ourselves any favors when we buy into the establishment propaganda about how we're all going to come together someday and sing Kumbaya and make the world a paradise without any of the bad stuff happening in the interim. It's a beautiful idea, but it isn't realistic. I think I thoroughly understand the problem of overarching government. I think we agree it is not a good thing. That is not what I mean by advancing civilization. By advancing civilization I mean a universal understanding of spiritual laws that enable us to be independent nations and ethnic groups. I do not believe any enduring independence is possible otherwise. I believe it can happen because it already has, just not completely everywhere. Before Israel became a secular state many devout and practicing Jews opposed the idea because they already lived in a spiritual "Jerusalem" albeit with a lot of real estate in New York City.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 23:59:56 GMT
So, may I take it that you do believe the real purpose of the implant is for tracking people? You know, kind of like an I-phone that you can't misplace? "real purpose of the implant is for tracking people?" What else would it be for? Well, what else do you use your phone for? It will be for EVERYTHING. That will be its purpose.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 18, 2018 0:00:18 GMT
So, may I take it that you do believe the real purpose of the implant is for tracking people? You know, kind of like an I-phone that you can't misplace? "real purpose of the implant is for tracking people?" What else would it be for? Well.....as already stated.....the ones who are pushing it as a good thing claim its purpose is to answer one question: Am I who I say I am? Let me give you a for-instance. If it can't be used for location, and you have a dog that is implanted with RFID, and the dog turns up missing, you can't use your computer to locate where your dog is. However, if someone finds your dog, or it gets picked up by the dog pound, the chip will identify it as your dog and not someone else's. If you want to keep track of the dog, you should have a tracking collar on it, not an RFID implant, yes?
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Post by lowtacks86 on Feb 18, 2018 0:04:14 GMT
"real purpose of the implant is for tracking people?" What else would it be for? Well, what else do you use your phone for? It will be for EVERYTHING. That will be its purpose. A microchip can take selfies and look up Yelp reviews?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 18, 2018 0:14:36 GMT
You have to get through Monday before you can get to Friday. By the same token, the Satanic New World Order will be established before the new earth is created. Revelation tells us right off the bat (Chapter 1, Verse 1) that these things must happen. No fun accepting it, but the Great Tribulation is planned already, and it won't be avoided. Arlon10, you're one of the posters on this board whom I've got a lot of respect for, but I had to shed my new age illusions about six years ago, and I wish I had done it sooner. I don't think we do ourselves any favors when we buy into the establishment propaganda about how we're all going to come together someday and sing Kumbaya and make the world a paradise without any of the bad stuff happening in the interim. It's a beautiful idea, but it isn't realistic. I think I thoroughly understand the problem of overarching government. I think we agree it is not a good thing. That is not what I mean by advancing civilization. By advancing civilization I mean a universal understanding of spiritual laws that enable us to be independent nations and ethnic groups. I do not believe any enduring independence is possible otherwise. I believe it can happen because it already has, just not completely everywhere. Before Israel became a secular state many devout and practicing Jews opposed the idea because they already lived in a spiritual "Jerusalem" albeit with a lot of real estate in New York City. Unfortunately, that won't happen without dissidents being rounded up by the thousand and executed, including all of those who won't take the chip, regardless of what faith they practice. I've already made my decision. I'm not taking it, and that's final. I don't want to be here anymore anyway, so they've got zero leverage on me. And I advise others to cut their ties with the physical existence.....while they still have the time. Israel is a secular state, all right. At least we can agree on that much.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Feb 18, 2018 0:14:51 GMT
"real purpose of the implant is for tracking people?" What else would it be for? Well.....as already stated.....the ones who are pushing it as a good thing claim its purpose is to answer one question: Am I who I say I am? Let me give you a for-instance. If it can't be used for location, and you have a dog that is implanted with RFID, and the dog turns up missing, you can't use your computer to locate where your dog is. However, if someone finds your dog, or it gets picked up by the dog pound, the chip will identify it as your dog and not someone else's. If you want to keep track of the dog, you should have a tracking collar on it, not an RFID implant, yes? Well I wasn't necessarily referring to that, but that would useful in some instances. Let's say somebody is being investigated for rape, having a chip implant would make it much harder to flee the country (it would go off if you went through air port security) and go somewhere where they can avoid extradition (Polanski for instance)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 0:18:40 GMT
Well, what else do you use your phone for? It will be for EVERYTHING. That will be its purpose. A microchip can take selfies and look up Yelp reviews? Smartass. It will identify you to the world and to all the world's industry.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Feb 18, 2018 0:22:27 GMT
A microchip can take selfies and look up Yelp reviews? Smartass. It will identify you to the world and to all the world's industry. Sorry, I guess I have a different definition of "everything". I'm weird like that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 0:23:39 GMT
Smartass. It will identify you to the world and to all the world's industry. Sorry, I guess I have a different definition of "everything". I'm weird like that. That or you're a smartass. Don't add "liar" to the list, too.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 18, 2018 0:25:33 GMT
Well.....as already stated.....the ones who are pushing it as a good thing claim its purpose is to answer one question: Am I who I say I am? Let me give you a for-instance. If it can't be used for location, and you have a dog that is implanted with RFID, and the dog turns up missing, you can't use your computer to locate where your dog is. However, if someone finds your dog, or it gets picked up by the dog pound, the chip will identify it as your dog and not someone else's. If you want to keep track of the dog, you should have a tracking collar on it, not an RFID implant, yes? Well I wasn't necessarily referring to that, but that would useful in some instances. Let's say somebody is being investigated for rape, having a chip implant would make it much harder to flee the country (it would go off if you went through air port security) and go somewhere where they can avoid extradition (Polanski for instance) So if a foreigner was to go on trial for rape (like Roman Polanski) he would have to voluntarily submit to the implant in order to get bond?
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Post by lowtacks86 on Feb 18, 2018 0:26:25 GMT
Sorry, I guess I have a different definition of "everything". I'm weird like that. That or you're a smartass. Don't add "liar" to the list, too. OK, I won't use words the way they're actually defined.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Feb 18, 2018 0:28:35 GMT
Well I wasn't necessarily referring to that, but that would useful in some instances. Let's say somebody is being investigated for rape, having a chip implant would make it much harder to flee the country (it would go off if you went through air port security) and go somewhere where they can avoid extradition (Polanski for instance) So if a foreigner was to go on trial for rape (like Roman Polanski) he would have to voluntarily submit to the implant in order to get bond? I would probably give them the choice between putting up a ton of money for bail or getting the implant. So in a way yes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 0:29:39 GMT
That or you're a smartass. Don't add "liar" to the list, too. OK, I won't use words the way they're actually defined. Whatever floats your boat, mate.
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Post by Arlon10 on Feb 18, 2018 0:34:42 GMT
I think I thoroughly understand the problem of overarching government. I think we agree it is not a good thing. That is not what I mean by advancing civilization. By advancing civilization I mean a universal understanding of spiritual laws that enable us to be independent nations and ethnic groups. I do not believe any enduring independence is possible otherwise. I believe it can happen because it already has, just not completely everywhere. Before Israel became a secular state many devout and practicing Jews opposed the idea because they already lived in a spiritual "Jerusalem" albeit with a lot of real estate in New York City. Unfortunately, that won't happen without dissidents being rounded up by the thousand and executed, including all of those who won't take the chip, regardless of what faith they practice. I've already made my decision. I'm not taking it, and that's final. I don't want to be here anymore anyway, so they've got zero leverage on me. And I advise others to cut their ties with the physical existence.....while they still have the time. Israel is a secular state, all right. At least we can agree on that much. I am totally against microchip implants in humans. I think I explained that to @graham. That is not a part of the spiritual laws I mean at all. Even if people are guilty of a crime that's no reason to experiment on their insides.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 18, 2018 0:41:57 GMT
OK, I won't use words the way they're actually defined. Whatever floats your boat, mate. Maybe he thinks he's just playing devil's advocate.
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Post by progressiveelement on Feb 18, 2018 3:41:24 GMT
They can track you without implants.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 3:56:20 GMT
They can track you without implants. How's that? We've already covered the "you can throw your phone away" discussion.
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