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Post by Terrapin Station on Feb 18, 2018 19:19:00 GMT
There's nothing in life that is an even playing field. Uneven playing fields is exactly how culture and social interaction work. You always have to persuade people to leave what they like and you usually have to be good at it unless you force them. Just double-checking whether you know that you're agreeing with me here.
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 18, 2018 19:21:47 GMT
Black people are also Muslim, Rastafarian, traditional African religions, such as Vodou, Santeria, etc., & even some are Jewish. There are even some that are atheists. In other words, just like everybody on the planet. I’m aware of that; that wasn’t my question.
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 18, 2018 19:24:34 GMT
One of the dumbest videos I've witnessed in a long time... Very inciteful [sarcasm] I see you have very little in the way of intelligent conversation to contribute to this thread, so I see no point in your comment.
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 18, 2018 19:28:21 GMT
It doesn't matter who introduced it to them so my answer remains consistent. I didn’t ask who introduced them to it, so your answer remains irrelevant. Try to keep up with the actual question. Its also silly to pretend that this is relevant to my question. No. But I’m starting to get the feeling at this point that what I do is beyond your level of comprehension.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 18, 2018 19:57:28 GMT
lowtacks86It doesn't matter how early it starts. Brainwashing ios a particular process and most people don;t have the time, patience, knowledge, or ability to accomplish it. A child's brain is constantly adapting toward independence and even rebellion. Anyone who is a parent knows this and eventually there will come a pint in time when a kid will question everything. It's entirely possible that a kid will not question the religion he is raised in but that is not it brain washing any more than parents teaching their kids based on their ideals is indoctrination except maybe in the best form possible. That's called comfort level. If there is nothing within the religion to hinder them, such as with Christianity, then there is no reason to make a change away from it. It's not something to resist nor someething worth resisting in relation to the benefits provided. How so? That sounds like a nonsense statement without some kind of context. Point is missed. What is the danger of my alleged brainwashing if there is not something it is in conflict with? You and others make accusations of a crime being committed with although there is no crime and apparently only a motive. Not true. Atheists posts stuff all the time showing how religion is dwindling and ying out. Heck, Isapop just yesterday used the term "eradicate" to describe the phenomenon. People in adulthood make their own choices and it's weird that people don;t understand concept of adults make their own decisions just because they find it odd that someone would choose to stay religious.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 18, 2018 19:58:24 GMT
There's nothing in life that is an even playing field. Uneven playing fields is exactly how culture and social interaction work. You always have to persuade people to leave what they like and you usually have to be good at it unless you force them. Just double-checking whether you know that you're agreeing with me here. I'm not looking to disagree. I'm just making statements I believe to be true.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 18, 2018 20:01:01 GMT
captainbryceTo be clear, you didn;t have a question, but a pretend statement of fact:
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Post by maya55555 on Feb 18, 2018 20:02:56 GMT
clusium
Check out my thread on the Hx of the Apostles. Israel refuses or rejects any black Jew.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 18, 2018 20:16:10 GMT
clusium
Check out my thread on the Hx of the Apostles. Israel refuses or rejects any black Jew. That's okay. If they don't want 'em, we'll take 'em. I don't go to church, but if I did, it wouldn't bother me at all if I were the only white person there.
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Post by clusium on Feb 18, 2018 20:45:38 GMT
Black people are also Muslim, Rastafarian, traditional African religions, such as Vodou, Santeria, etc., & even some are Jewish. There are even some that are atheists. In other words, just like everybody on the planet. I’m aware of that; that wasn’t my question. Well, since you were Christian once yourself, what would you say that the answer would be....?
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Post by lowtacks86 on Feb 18, 2018 21:14:08 GMT
lowtacks86 It doesn't matter how early it starts. Brainwashing ios a particular process and most people don;t have the time, patience, knowledge, or ability to accomplish it. A child's brain is constantly adapting toward independence and even rebellion. Anyone who is a parent knows this and eventually there will come a pint in time when a kid will question everything. It's entirely possible that a kid will not question the religion he is raised in but that is not it brain washing any more than parents teaching their kids based on their ideals is indoctrination except maybe in the best form possible. That's called comfort level. If there is nothing within the religion to hinder them, such as with Christianity, then there is no reason to make a change away from it. It's not something to resist nor someething worth resisting in relation to the benefits provided. How so? That sounds like a nonsense statement without some kind of context. Point is missed. What is the danger of my alleged brainwashing if there is not something it is in conflict with? You and others make accusations of a crime being committed with although there is no crime and apparently only a motive. Not true. Atheists posts stuff all the time showing how religion is dwindling and ying out. Heck, Isapop just yesterday used the term "eradicate" to describe the phenomenon. People in adulthood make their own choices and it's weird that people don;t understand concept of adults make their own decisions just because they find it odd that someone would choose to stay religious. "It doesn't matter how early it starts." Uh yes it does, again why do you think very few people change their religion after early adulthood? Why do you believe children are more likely to believe riddiculous ideas like Santa Clause and storkes delivering babies? Their rational thinking is still developing, it's more susceptible to ideas that have no real evidence to back it up. "Brainwashing ios a particular process and most people don;t have the time, patience, knowledge, or ability to accomplish it." Which is why it is better to do it at a young age, I've already addressed this. There's even a name for it, I think it's called the "5-14 range", that's when people are more susceptible to religious indoctrination. "A child's brain is constantly adapting toward independence and even rebellion." Not necessarily, ever met Mormon kids? They're often quite disciplined because they're often homeschooled and sheltered from outside influences. Besides, while they may be rebellious to some things that take actual effort (doing their chores), they're not gonna necessarily be rebellious to things like a magical carpenter dying for their sins. Young children aren't exactly known for engaging in religious/philosophical debates. "How so? That sounds like a nonsense statement without some kind of context." Because it really doesn't mean anything, it's just your subjective opinion. I could just as easily say "my anthitheist beliefs have yet to be refuted". Do see how silly and egotistical that is? "Point is missed." Uh no "What is the danger of my alleged brainwashing if there is not something it is in conflict with?" I'm not even sure what that means. "Not true. Atheists posts stuff all the time showing how religion is dwindling and ying out." Atheism/nonreligious is not a "religion", this has already been pointed out countless time. As someone that talks with alleged "theophobiacs" on a regular basis I assumed you would at least get that part correct. I assumed incorrectly. I'm referring to process of changing from on religious dogma to another (converting from Christianity to Islam for instance). Very few adults actually do that.
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Post by clusium on Feb 18, 2018 21:24:16 GMT
clusium
Check out my thread on the Hx of the Apostles. Israel refuses or rejects any black Jew. No they don't, Maya. They have imported many Jewish people from Ethiopia, and other places in Africa. They even have Oriental & Indian Jews too.
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Post by maya55555 on Feb 18, 2018 21:27:56 GMT
clusium
That depends upon the timeliness of their issues. I have seen both sides. Many of the "old guard" Ashkenazim are really against intermarriage.
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Post by phludowin on Feb 18, 2018 22:03:33 GMT
The question is WHY do black people (the ones who practice Christianity) do so when that is the religion slave masters forced on them to justify slavery? I gave the video the same treatment I usually give videos linked by Cody or Erjen. Two more or less rhetorical questions about your question. 1) How many black Christians alive today had Christian slave masters? 2) Couldn't we ask with the same reasoning why black people practise Islam?
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Post by maya55555 on Feb 18, 2018 22:20:34 GMT
phuldowin
I would enjoy discussing this with you at length. The problem is I will be discussing everything with you via your 20th C. bigoted filter.
When studying Hx, you cannot judge people via your modern values.
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 18, 2018 22:33:00 GMT
captainbryce To be clear, you didn;t have a question, but a pretend statement of fact: Well, allow me to edit the original (just for you). Then you can try to answer okay. 😉
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 18, 2018 23:00:29 GMT
The question is WHY do black people (the ones who practice Christianity) do so when that is the religion slave masters forced on them to justify slavery? I gave the video the same treatment I usually give videos linked by Cody or Erjen. I don’t know what that is. But unlike those knuckleheads, my question doesn’t actually depend on you watching a video. The video only expands and elaborates on the question, validating my rationale for asking it (for those who are interested). I don’t know what relevance that has on my question. You could. But here’s the thing: 1) There are really no Muslims on this board to answer that question. If there were, I’d love to get their perspective. 2) I know why people get indoctrinated into religions, but I don’t know why they adopt religions that were used to justify their slavery. 3) The quran wasn’t given to black slaves by their slave masters in America. The Bible was (by Christians).
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 18, 2018 23:04:16 GMT
I’m aware of that; that wasn’t my question. Well, since you were Christian once yourself, what would you say that the answer would be....? Ultimately the reason ANYONE gets into religion in the first place is indoctrination. As to why people STAY in the religion (after they grow up and learn history), that would vary from individual to individual. Unfortunately, there doesn’t seem to be too many people of color here who can answer this question. (the reason I stayed in it as long as I did was because I was forcing myself to try to believe in something because I wanted it to be true, not because it actually made sense)
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Post by Isapop on Feb 18, 2018 23:11:23 GMT
Well, since you were Christian once yourself, what would you say that the answer would be....? Ultimately the reason ANYONE gets into religion in the first place is indoctrination. As to why people STAY in the religion (after they grow up and learn history), that would vary from individual to individual. Unfortunately, there doesn’t seem to be too many people of color here who can answer this question. (the reason I stayed in it as long as I did was because I was forcing myself to try to believe in something because I wanted it to be true, not because it actually made sense) Bryce, any comment on the answer I suggested?
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Post by phludowin on Feb 18, 2018 23:17:31 GMT
I don’t know what relevance that has on my question. If the people aren't slaves, then it follows that no religion was used to justify their slavery. Because their slavery does not exist. You could. But here’s the thing: 1) There are really no Muslims on this board to answer that question. If there were, I’d love to get their perspective. 2) I know why people get indoctrinated into religions, but I don’t know why they adopt religions that were used to justify their slavery. 3) The quran wasn’t given to black slaves by their slave masters in America. The Bible was (by Christians). So you were only talking about black people in America. I assumed you were talking about black people in general; especially in Northern Africa. My opinion: Just because something was used to do bad things in the past doesn't mean it shouldn't be used at all. After all, I'm German, but I am not proud of what many of my compatriots did 80 years ago. If Christianity gives people comfort, let them practise it. Even if it was used to justify slavery or the Holocaust.
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