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Post by clusium on Feb 21, 2018 15:20:46 GMT
Yeah, he was pretty nice for a Baptist minister. Usually clergies from Baptist, Pentecostal, Seven Day Adventist, are very hostile towards the Catholic & Orthodox faiths, right to the point of denying that we are Christian (even though we are the original ones), but, Billie Graham saw us all as his brothers & sisters in the Christian faith. He even was very close with St. John Paul II.Always a bad sign. No its not. It was very beautiful of him to acknowledge all that were Christian.
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Post by Cody™ on Feb 21, 2018 15:35:51 GMT
No its not. It was very beautiful of him to acknowledge all that were Christian. Acknowledging all that were Christian is one thing. Having close ties with a false prophet and modern day Roman emperor masquerading as the head of the church like the Pope is quite another.
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Post by Rodney Farber on Feb 21, 2018 15:40:01 GMT
... He certainly started sincerely ... I always remember him being kind of quiet compared to other bible beaters. When I mentioned this to my father in the early sixties, his comment was the Billy originally preached fire-and-brimstone (i.e. If you don't follow what I'm preaching, you're going to hell). But softened his stance when he found that the soft-sell gave him a larger audience. In the long run, he's no different that Peter Popov, Jimmy Swaggart, Mike Murdock, etc. They're all sleeze.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Feb 21, 2018 15:41:52 GMT
No its not. It was very beautiful of him to acknowledge all that were Christian. Acknowledging all that were Christian is one thing. Having close ties with a false prophet and modern day Roman emperor masquerading as the head of the church like the Pope is quite another. False prophets, or preachers, masquerading like .. Paul Crouch? Douglas Goodman? Ted Haggard or Paul Barnes?
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Post by thefleetsin on Feb 21, 2018 15:43:12 GMT
one more supposed oracle becomes a story worms tell their children before dinner.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 16:40:44 GMT
Never saw a televangelist I liked, but my mother-in-law credits a Graham event she attended as having convinced her that the Christian path was the right one for her to follow. I think my mother-in-law is a saint and I love her to death. Plus, I'm pleased that a changed woman like her educated my wife in the ways of the Lord, so I actually have to give Graham a lot of credit. Although I found no use for him or his kind, he certainly impacted my life in a big way.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Feb 21, 2018 17:34:23 GMT
No its not. It was very beautiful of him to acknowledge all that were Christian. Acknowledging all that were Christian is one thing. Having close ties with a false prophet and modern day Roman emperor masquerading as the head of the church like the Pope is quite another. How is he "masquearding" as the Pope? Did he kill the real Pope and is disugued as him?
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Post by clusium on Feb 21, 2018 18:31:24 GMT
No its not. It was very beautiful of him to acknowledge all that were Christian. Acknowledging all that were Christian is one thing. Having close ties with a false prophet and modern day Roman emperor masquerading as the head of the church like the Pope is quite another. John Paul II was not a false prophet, & neither was or is, any other Pope, unless you believe that St. Peter the Apostle was a false prophet!!!!
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Post by gadreel on Feb 21, 2018 18:45:40 GMT
No its not. It was very beautiful of him to acknowledge all that were Christian. Acknowledging all that were Christian is one thing. Having close ties with a false prophet and modern day Roman emperor masquerading as the head of the church like the Pope is quite another. Oh so you are a Heretic as well. Good to know I am not alone.
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Post by THawk on Feb 21, 2018 19:53:10 GMT
“Someday you will read or hear that Billy Graham is dead—don’t you believe a word of it. I shall be more alive than I am now. I will just have changed my address. I will have gone into the presence of God."
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Post by general313 on Feb 21, 2018 20:13:20 GMT
Billy Graham was on the wrong side of history"In a 1992 book focused on the signs that the world was nearing its end, the preacher suggested that if humankind were going to survive, businesses needed to reduce pollution and stop contributing to global warming. In a revised 2010 version of the book, Graham eliminated the phrase “global warming” from the text altogether. Global warming no longer existed in the mind of Graham as a real threat."
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Post by Cody™ on Feb 21, 2018 20:48:54 GMT
Acknowledging all that were Christian is one thing. Having close ties with a false prophet and modern day Roman emperor masquerading as the head of the church like the Pope is quite another. John Paul II was not a false prophet, & neither was or is, any other Pope, unless you believe that St. Peter the Apostle was a false prophet!!!! Peter wasn't a false prophet. He wasn't the first 'Pope' neither.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 20:55:40 GMT
Acknowledging all that were Christian is one thing. Having close ties with a false prophet and modern day Roman emperor masquerading as the head of the church like the Pope is quite another. Oh so you are a Heretic as well. Good to know I am not alone. I am also a heretic.
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Post by clusium on Feb 21, 2018 21:33:56 GMT
John Paul II was not a false prophet, & neither was or is, any other Pope, unless you believe that St. Peter the Apostle was a false prophet!!!! Peter wasn't a false prophet. He wasn't the first 'Pope' neither. Yes he was. The Papacy is traced all the way back to him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 21:43:08 GMT
I tend to come from a more Anabaptist tradition, but I generally don't have issues with people who are Catholic or Orthodox (in fact, I think the Orthodox tradition is super interesting). Like every denomination, they have their good and bad practitioners. But I do think both groups put a little too much unnecessary stock in apostolic succession (and papal infallibility, in the case of the Catholic tradition).
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Post by gadreel on Feb 21, 2018 21:55:06 GMT
Oh so you are a Heretic as well. Good to know I am not alone. I am also a heretic. Everyone is a heretic to at least one other person in the world, it is basically just a way of saying you disagree with someone. I bet dollars to doughnuts you are a Sardine Heretic, hell you probably don't even know what Vogels is.
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Post by mikef6 on Feb 21, 2018 22:12:46 GMT
Even though I grew up in the same Christian demonization that Graham was a member of (the Southern Baptist Convention), I came to disagree strongly with both his approaches and his theology. Yet, I will say for him that he, for the most part, kept out of politics, at least partisan politics. He endorsed Presidential candidates of both parties and considered himself Pastor To The Presidents, no matter who they were. He didn’t identify with the so-called Moral Majority. His son, Franklin Graham, is the exact opposite. Graham fils goes full on marriage of extreme fundamental religion with extreme right-wing politics – slandering Pres. Obama for being black (more precisely, being the Not White, the Other, the not-American), but excusing the current Republican President for being what he is.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Feb 21, 2018 22:42:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 22:48:09 GMT
Everyone is a heretic to at least one other person in the world, it is basically just a way of saying you disagree with someone. I bet dollars to doughnuts you are a Sardine Heretic, hell you probably don't even know what Vogels is. Gadreel gets an agreement post. Responds with a criticism. <shakes head>
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Post by Cody™ on Feb 21, 2018 22:50:42 GMT
Peter wasn't a false prophet. He wasn't the first 'Pope' neither. Yes he was. The Papacy is traced all the way back to him. LOL
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