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Post by goz on Feb 28, 2018 0:26:21 GMT
What is it to you?
I will start the conversation butt this is by no means a definitive definition just thoughts.
To me this is obvious if you are a theist and believe in a 'supernatural' god. Your 'spirituality' is outlined for you though person exploration can be useful. Some, through their religious beliefs have the spirituality 'contained'( IMHO) by the dogma of the religion.
If you aren't a theist, it gets a little harder.
However to me, spirituality encompasses the exploration of everything that by rational thought, logic, knowledge and science, I still can't understand. As an agnostic atheist I don't believe in a god, yet because I don't understand it completely, there is room for exploration. As a person interested in Buddhist philosophy, I like to explore my personal experience, consciousness and how it relates to my responsibility for my self and for others ( including the animal world and the environment ) without guidance from an outside source.
Something to think about to start the dialogue?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 0:28:55 GMT
I guess it'd be anyone who thinks there's more to reality than just this physical world, and they actively seek it out.
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Post by goz on Feb 28, 2018 0:39:12 GMT
I guess it'd be anyone who thinks there's more to reality than just this physical world, and they actively seek it out. Hi, I don't usually agree with you butt this is an interesting thought. I agree with you, in a sense, butt I think it is a little more complex than that. Do you seek it out because you are sure there is more to life than a physical reality, or are you exploring the possibility? I think that sums up the difference between you and me, as a theist and an agnostic atheist. You see things in terms as a spiritual world of God and that whole scenario, whereas I seek knowledge into the currently, and I believe probably always unknowable. It is so exciting!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 1:31:59 GMT
I guess it'd be anyone who thinks there's more to reality than just this physical world, and they actively seek it out. Hi, I don't usually agree with you butt this is an interesting thought. I agree with you, in a sense, butt I think it is a little more complex than that. Do you seek it out because you are sure there is more to life than a physical reality, or are you exploring the possibility? I think that sums up the difference between you and me, as a theist and an agnostic atheist. You see things in terms as a spiritual world of God and that whole scenario, whereas I seek knowledge into the currently, and I believe probably always unknowable. It is so exciting! I'm not "sure" of anything. I believe in God because I think there are good philosophical, historical, and (even) scientific reasons for believing in him. But I don't pretend to be certain of anything. I think "spiritual" people are people who believe in and/or actively search for meaning beyond the physical world.
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Post by Arlon10 on Feb 28, 2018 1:45:23 GMT
What is it to you? I will start the conversation butt this is by no means a definitive definition just thoughts. To me this is obvious if you are a theist and believe in a 'supernatural' god. Your 'spirituality' is outlined for you though person exploration can be useful. Some, through their religious beliefs have the spirituality 'contained'( IMHO) by the dogma of the religion. If you aren't a theist, it gets a little harder. However to me, spirituality encompasses the exploration of everything that by rational thought, logic, knowledge and science, I still can't understand. As an agnostic atheist I don't believe in a god, yet because I don't understand it completely, there is room for exploration. As a person interested in Buddhist philosophy, I like to explore my personal experience, consciousness and how it relates to my responsibility for my self and for others ( including the animal world and the environment ) without guidance from an outside source. Something to think about to start the dialogue? ... peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness ... ... the spirit searches everything, even the depths of God ... ... For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would ... ... Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred ...
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 28, 2018 1:57:18 GMT
It is the opportunity if known or ability if not know to be happy/calm without the need for explanation.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 28, 2018 1:59:41 GMT
Goz as usual is wrong about religious belief.
There is no dogma for spirituality. It's not something that can be mandated. It's based on a desire and not a rule.
It is the benefit of living a great life though.
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Post by goz on Feb 28, 2018 2:12:34 GMT
What is it to you? I will start the conversation butt this is by no means a definitive definition just thoughts. To me this is obvious if you are a theist and believe in a 'supernatural' god. Your 'spirituality' is outlined for you though person exploration can be useful. Some, through their religious beliefs have the spirituality 'contained'( IMHO) by the dogma of the religion. If you aren't a theist, it gets a little harder. However to me, spirituality encompasses the exploration of everything that by rational thought, logic, knowledge and science, I still can't understand. As an agnostic atheist I don't believe in a god, yet because I don't understand it completely, there is room for exploration. As a person interested in Buddhist philosophy, I like to explore my personal experience, consciousness and how it relates to my responsibility for my self and for others ( including the animal world and the environment ) without guidance from an outside source. Something to think about to start the dialogue? ... peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness ... ... the spirit searches everything, even the depths of God ... ... For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would ... ... Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred ... Yes, right! So what is spirituality to you?
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Post by goz on Feb 28, 2018 2:19:01 GMT
It is the opportunity if known or ability if not know to be happy/calm without the need for explanation. I totally, utterly and unequivocally disagree. To me it is the opposite. It is the search of the unknown for knowledge, understanding which might lead to happiness. Yet there is happiness also in this search. The happiness and calmness comes when you truthfully look inside yourself and search for a place that makes sense where you fit into this world and the universe. That MUST come from within upon and during gaining an understanding of the exterior forces at play. It is also an acceptance of the unknowable and the skill to work around that in your daily life, consciousness and existence.
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Post by goz on Feb 28, 2018 2:22:31 GMT
Goz as usual is wrong about religious belief. There is no dogma for spirituality. It's not something that can be mandated. It's based on a desire and not a rule. It is the benefit of living a great life though. I totally, utterly and unequivocally disagree. That is why this thread is about spirituality and not necessarily religious belief though for some that can form a part. If all that shit you spout about children dying at Armageddon because they had wicked parents who denied them an afterlife isn't mandated, dogma and rule, what is?
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Feb 28, 2018 8:13:40 GMT
I've said it before, but I just like associating spirituality with man's mental life/experience, a firsthand account of how experiences seem to us. If you don't believe in the supernatural then I don't know what else it could realistically mean.
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Post by Arlon10 on Feb 28, 2018 8:58:50 GMT
... peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness ... ... the spirit searches everything, even the depths of God ... ... For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would ... ... Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred ... Yes, right! So what is spirituality to you? The spirit manifests itself differently in different people. One thing they all have in common is the ability to focus, to remain in control of some project. They are less distracted by transient material rewards and conditions. Some are healers. The ones I know use modern science first as far as it will go and only then employ the spirit. That's good because being right with a god and having a positive attitude can be an important part of healing. Your own doctor might tell you that. Some are teachers whose patience with, and understanding of, children helps them grow in wisdom and faith. Some are like Socrates who go around encouraging others to exercise their own faculties by simply lending an ear. (Does that remind you of anyone?) Some are leaders who help people find the role best suited to their gifts, present and future. Some of them just sit there doing apparently nothing much, but they can sift through all the thoughts and find gems now and again. I don't agree with CoolJGS☺ often, but I agree that spiritual people can exhibit more capacity for detachment when it's needed.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 28, 2018 11:59:37 GMT
It is the opportunity if known or ability if not know to be happy/calm without the need for explanation. I totally, utterly and unequivocally disagree. To me it is the opposite. It is the search of the unknown for knowledge, understanding which might lead to happiness. Yet there is happiness also in this search. The happiness and calmness comes when you truthfully look inside yourself and search for a place that makes sense where you fit into this world and the universe. That MUST come from within upon and during gaining an understanding of the exterior forces at play. It is also an acceptance of the unknowable and the skill to work around that in your daily life, consciousness and existence. Spirituality isn't a verb. It's a result and you aren't "utterly and unequivocally" disagreeing since the search of it can be unknown. If unknown, it's up to the one seeking it to find that path as, like morality, it isn't universally agreed upon. The known ways to spirituality are easiest (& best imo) since they provide guidelines to it. Now I may actually agree with the notion that being spiritual is hard to describe and thus unexplainable, but it can be pretty easy to know why one is spiritual if they did anything at all to get to that point.
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Post by permutojoe on Feb 28, 2018 13:53:52 GMT
That's a good start. The human psyche seems to have a need for something that transcends logic and rationality. It's a tragedy of epic proportions that organized religion has co-opted this with what tend to be hateful, oppressive, not to mention silly ideologies.
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Post by thefleetsin on Feb 28, 2018 15:30:17 GMT
it's tweaking the fun house mirrors at the same time you're blowing smoke up skirts running around collecting the spare change from strangers.
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Post by gadreel on Feb 28, 2018 19:31:15 GMT
I would personally define spirituality as that search for the intangible in relation to your place in the universe, meaning it is for me a quest to make sense of the universe and my place in it and to come to terms with what the universe throws at me.
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Post by clusium on Feb 28, 2018 20:06:57 GMT
What is it to you? I will start the conversation butt this is by no means a definitive definition just thoughts. To me this is obvious if you are a theist and believe in a 'supernatural' god. Your 'spirituality' is outlined for you though person exploration can be useful. Some, through their religious beliefs have the spirituality 'contained'( IMHO) by the dogma of the religion. If you aren't a theist, it gets a little harder. However to me, spirituality encompasses the exploration of everything that by rational thought, logic, knowledge and science, I still can't understand. As an agnostic atheist I don't believe in a god, yet because I don't understand it completely, there is room for exploration. As a person interested in Buddhist philosophy, I like to explore my personal experience, consciousness and how it relates to my responsibility for my self and for others ( including the animal world and the environment ) without guidance from an outside source. Something to think about to start the dialogue? I would say that it is being at one with your surroundings, or living in the current moment (kind of a Taoist way of thinking, I know).
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Post by lowtacks86 on Feb 28, 2018 20:39:19 GMT
Doing a bunch of drugs in the woods
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Post by Vegas on Feb 28, 2018 20:46:54 GMT
The sense that there is a greater meaning to the universe than your own self existence.
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Post by Vegas on Feb 28, 2018 20:47:22 GMT
Doing a bunch of drugs in the woods That helps.
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