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Post by shinnickneth on Mar 6, 2018 17:27:44 GMT
I'm not familiar with this website but it claims Johnson/Disney abandoned Abram's Episode 8 script. I don't know it it's true or not. Whether they abandoned or not, they did carelessly throw away what came in Episodes 1-7. It was foolish to not keep to the canon/mythos of the prior movies - especially Episode 7 which is so recent and should have heavily influenced Episode 8. Johnson really swept the legs out from under the new characters even...and not in a good way! www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/star-wars/55771/star-wars-rian-johnson-scrapped-jj-abrams-episode-viii-script
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 17:41:02 GMT
So this is counter to all the hubbub about "there was no trilogy direction."
Regardless, this is the kind of thing that Kennedy has to lead on, and she clearly dropped the ball.
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Post by shinnickneth on Mar 6, 2018 18:08:51 GMT
So this is counter to all the hubbub about "there was no trilogy direction." Regardless, this is the kind of thing that Kennedy has to lead on, and she clearly dropped the ball. She did. It would be unfair to just blame it all on her though. There were many people responsible for the abysmal, disgrace of an episode we got. When they go with such extreme storylines (i.e. Jake abandoning his friends/religion/becoming an asshole, Han/Leia no longer being together and being terrible parents, etc.), they should have stuck with the vision they established with Abrams. Abandoning it after one episode just makes it seem like they don't know what they're doing...which, they don't. I suppose I should edit my one posting to say, "PSA: Plan Ahead AND Stick With IT!"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 18:41:09 GMT
So this is counter to all the hubbub about "there was no trilogy direction." Regardless, this is the kind of thing that Kennedy has to lead on, and she clearly dropped the ball. She did. It would be unfair to just blame it all on her though. There were many people responsible for the abysmal, disgrace of an episode we got. When they go with such extreme storylines (i.e. Jake abandoning his friends/religion/becoming an asshole, Han/Leia no longer being together and being terrible parents, etc.), they should have stuck with the vision they established with Abrams. Abandoning it after one episode just makes it seem like they don't know what they're doing...which, they don't. I suppose I should edit my one posting to say, "PSA: Plan Ahead AND Stick With IT!" Isn't it ultimately up to Kennedy to determine whose script gets used?
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Post by shinnickneth on Mar 6, 2018 21:43:51 GMT
Isn't it ultimately up to Kennedy to determine whose script gets used?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 6, 2018 22:54:07 GMT
This makes the ST an even bigger mess/embarrassment, as does everything that ever comes out it from a creative or behind the scenes standpoint.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Mar 7, 2018 8:08:13 GMT
I'm not familiar with this website but it claims Johnson/Disney abandoned Abram's Episode 8 script. I don't know it it's true or not. Whether they abandoned or not, they did carelessly throw away what came in Episodes 1-7. It was foolish to not keep to the canon/mythos of the prior movies - especially Episode 7 which is so recent and should have heavily influenced Episode 8. Johnson really swept the legs out from under the new characters even...and not in a good way! www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/star-wars/55771/star-wars-rian-johnson-scrapped-jj-abrams-episode-viii-scriptWell this is according to Daisy Ridley. So if a month from now she said something totally different or started off with "What I meant to say was...", it wouldn't surprise me in the least. She says that they were rough drafts. That leaves some broad possibilities. Assuming Ridley is correct, it could've been the first edition of a script or screenplay. It could've also have been a few notes and concepts beyond TFA and nothing more. Johnson already said on one of his social media pages that Abrams didn't give him direction, destiny, or storylines for these characters; in other words, he said Abrams didn't have a vision for them (in so many words). That's very plausible given Abrams reputation. And none of this has gone well from the start. Arndt couldn't come up with a complete script in one and a half years. Abrams got the script, then allegedly sat on it while handling production. Then allegedly hammered it out in 3 weeks with Kasdan. During all of this (and afterward), allegedly correspondence was going on between Abrams and Trevorrow and RJ about the storylines beyond TFA. (To be specific this included most of the essential people: Kathleen Kennedy, Kasdan, Mark Hamill, etc.). But there's questions as to how in-depth it was and there's the rumors of constant creative differences. The bottom line is this points to more evidence that the writing of these movies is being handled by people who don't put artistic vision and storytelling that honors the saga first. There's plenty of fair blame to go around with the 3 headed monster of Kennedy, Johnson, Abrams. They don't know what they're doing or don't care or both.
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Post by azzajones on Mar 8, 2018 5:27:09 GMT
This isn't new, this was known well before TFA came out that Mr Johnson scrapped what was planned and started from scratch. I don't believe there ever was a script for ep 8, merely a treatment or outline, which Mr Johnson ignored.
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Post by shinnickneth on Mar 8, 2018 21:03:12 GMT
This isn't new, this was known well before TFA came out that Mr Johnson scrapped what was planned and started from scratch. I don't believe there ever was a script for ep 8, merely a treatment or outline, which Mr Johnson ignored. Proof? No one posted anything about it here. Nor did I see (Google tracks people's history) any related articles to Star Wars about this news until the other day. If you're going to throw out a statement like this, provide some proof dating before December 2015.
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Post by kleinreturns on Mar 8, 2018 21:41:53 GMT
Well i blame all 3 Jar Jar Abrams, KK, and RJ for the failure/mediocre of both VII and VIII.
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Post by azzajones on Mar 9, 2018 3:22:55 GMT
This was in the trivia section of the film's page on IMDB:
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Post by twothousandonemark on Mar 9, 2018 12:00:31 GMT
I'm not familiar with this website but it claims Johnson/Disney abandoned Abram's Episode 8 script. I don't know it it's true or not. Whether they abandoned or not, they did carelessly throw away what came in Episodes 1-7. It was foolish to not keep to the canon/mythos of the prior movies - especially Episode 7 which is so recent and should have heavily influenced Episode 8. Johnson really swept the legs out from under the new characters even...and not in a good way! www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/star-wars/55771/star-wars-rian-johnson-scrapped-jj-abrams-episode-viii-scriptWhat I've heard from reliable SW ppl in the know is they were handed JJ's Disney SW bible or whatever, & there were no stories or explanations for nearly everything he came up with. Rian basically asking JJ what to do/where to go with his ideas... JJ apparently replies akin 'I don't know, that's up to you now'. Snoke, Rey's background... apparently Rian looked at JJ's magic box ideas & figured we'd be better off abandoning them rather than explaining them. Snoke is now nothing more than one of the most needless under utilized villains of credible franchise in history. What a f'n joke. JJ should not be allowed near a franchise ever again if all's he'll do is brainstorm stuff that has no meaning or bearing on anything.
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Post by shinnickneth on Mar 9, 2018 22:22:46 GMT
What I've heard from reliable SW ppl in the know is they were handed JJ's Disney SW bible or whatever, & there were no stories or explanations for nearly everything he came up with. Rian basically asking JJ what to do/where to go with his ideas... JJ apparently replies akin 'I don't know, that's up to you now'. Snoke, Rey's background... apparently Rian looked at JJ's magic box ideas & figured we'd be better off abandoning them rather than explaining them. Snoke is now nothing more than one of the most needless under utilized villains of credible franchise in history. What a f'n joke. JJ should not be allowed near a franchise ever again if all's he'll do is brainstorm stuff that has no meaning or bearing on anything. Mark Hamill, Peter Mayhew, Carrie Fisher, and Andy Serkis deserved so much better for their final Star Wars movie.
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Post by darkpast on Mar 10, 2018 4:15:31 GMT
One positive for Episode IX is Rian left Abrams nothing left to screw up.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 10, 2018 17:32:43 GMT
One positive for Episode IX is Rian left Abrams nothing left to screw up. Exactly. I felt so free at the end of Last Jedi because they've destroyed every last possible thing from the OT that they could have short of shooting R2 out of a cannon. I don't give a fuck what they do now.
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Post by shinnickneth on Mar 10, 2018 18:22:54 GMT
This was in the trivia section of the film's page on IMDB: IMDB can be constantly contributed to by IMDB users. This may have been added after the fact (after December 2015). Do you have any proof with an actual date?
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Post by azzajones on Mar 11, 2018 22:19:04 GMT
Um, The Last Jedi came out December 2017, and that bit of trivia was on the film's page well before the film came out - admittedly since there's no date on the trivia you simply have to take my word for that
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Post by Jedan Archer on Mar 14, 2018 11:56:23 GMT
I doubt it. JJ does not sail that way. He never has a big plan for teh stuff and mysteries he sets up , see LOST, see the pitiful STAR TREK reboot that ended in rehash.
His original plan for sequels, if there ever was one, was likely just to rehash everything from the old scrips minus Ewoks, Slave Leia and the spaceship diversity. That's the man's career.
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Post by shinnickneth on Mar 15, 2018 6:58:18 GMT
Um, The Last Jedi came out December 2017, and that bit of trivia was on the film's page well before the film came out - admittedly since there's no date on the trivia you simply have to take my word for thatNo, I don't accept things as fact without proof. That's how rumors get started. Yes, I know The Last Jedi came out in December of 2017... You said that this isn't new news - that it was known before Episode 7 came out. This is what you said: I then asked if you could produce credible sources dated from before December 2015 (when TFA came out) supporting your statement. You have yet to do that.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Mar 15, 2018 7:34:51 GMT
It rests with Disney management. Most likely they tell the people: "ok so you have to make the girl the super Jedi, you have to make Luke a failure because that's the way it should be in the world-failing white guys, bad parents etc..string that all together with some kind of story. We dont care what. Marketing will take care of the rest."
Back when TFA came out, it was said Abrams and Kennedy wanted more time but Disney insisted on a December date so...who is really in charge..
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