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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 26, 2018 18:14:48 GMT
that does not make it a rip off. do you know how many films have the same plot points. winter solider could have had a more compelling and turn twist plot for the supposed best mcu movie. It had a more compelling plot and better twists than DOFP did. All DOFP had going for it was the old cast coming back.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 26, 2018 18:15:29 GMT
I just read the WS-directors claim WS is based on French Connection, Heat or Blow Out. Sure, the hypocracy is strong with these ones, conveniently omitting that WS is essentially a rehash of central Star Wars plot points. I'm not talking about the explicit Star Wars referrence in WS but key plot points and character motivation, for instance:
What a blatant rip-off sans the outstanding Star Wars imagination, music and art design... trust your feelings, you know it to be true.
As taylorfirst1 said these storytelling devices have been used many times in various forms of entertainment over the years, both before and after Star Wars was created. Star Wars did not create these elements from itself, they took influence from various pop culture, folklore, and mythology and repackaged them to its own narrative.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 26, 2018 18:16:50 GMT
I just read the WS-directors claim WS is based on French Connection, Heat or Blow Out. Sure, the hypocracy is strong with these ones, conveniently omitting that WS is essentially a rehash of central Star Wars plot points. I'm not talking about the explicit Star Wars referrence in WS but key plot points and character motivation, for instance:
What a blatant rip-off sans the outstanding Star Wars imagination, music and art design... trust your feelings, you know it to be true.
Excellent analysis! It isn't. And at your age you should be embarrassed you even agree with such an uneducated accusation ( As Star Wars did not invent any of these storytelling devices).
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 26, 2018 18:19:16 GMT
yes, WS is the most bearable and unsilly MCU movie by far. That artificial booster is thanks to Star Wars. But I never got any thank-you notes from the MCU fanboy crowd.
yes, put the finger on the wound, please! Being a Star Wars fan is currently like having Kat Dennings marry you and waiting in the honeymoon suite, but she is already dead and decomposing, starting to stink up the place. Shame, not how I swing.
They keep saying Thor and Guardians are not kid movies,even though I give them proof. The biggest sins in the New Star wars is the treatment of the og characters and Rey pretty much doing something equal to usint cheat codes to he one with the force. They're not exclusively tailor made for them but kids can enjoy them. Marvel makes movies for everybody.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 26, 2018 18:20:31 GMT
They keep saying Thor and Guardians are not kid movies,even though I give them proof. The biggest sins in the New Star wars is the treatment of the og characters and Rey pretty much doing something equal to usint cheat codes to he one with the force. They're not, but kids can enjoy them and they're made tailor made exclusively towards them. I think you mean "not tailor made exclusively" towards them. The MCU are movies all ages can enjoy, like proper stories should be.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 26, 2018 18:21:01 GMT
I like how you say that it is a rip-off then go back and say that WS did things differently. lol He's probably not aware that lots of this stuff came from the Super-Patriot storyline back in the 1980s Cap comics. The ones that predate the Prequels.
Seriously Tristan, you want to troll you have to troll harder.
He's trying to pull a Jimmy Shive-Overly( FX's "You're The Worst") and failing miserably. And the irony is that Jimmy despite all his ego driven mistakes still has a far better life than Tristan ever could.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 26, 2018 18:22:32 GMT
They're not, but kids can enjoy them and they're made tailor made exclusively towards them. I think you mean "not tailor made exclusively" towards them. The MCU are movies all ages can enjoy, like proper stories should be. Sorry about that, edited post.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Mar 26, 2018 18:58:01 GMT
I just read the WS-directors claim WS is based on French Connection, Heat or Blow Out. Sure, the hypocracy is strong with these ones, conveniently omitting that WS is essentially a rehash of central Star Wars plot points. I'm not talking about the explicit Star Wars referrence in WS but key plot points and character motivation, for instance:
What a blatant rip-off sans the outstanding Star Wars imagination, music and art design... trust your feelings, you know it to be true.
As taylorfirst1 said these storytelling devices have been used many times in various forms of entertainment over the years, both before and after Star Wars was created. Star Wars did not create these elements from itself, they took influence from various pop culture, folklore, and mythology and repackaged them to its own narrative. prove don't talk for once. Referring to another poster making mere claims without evidence is no proof. Think in a court they would take you seriously with that kind of defense? No! So, show me one other movie before and after that has all the plot points I mentioned, starting with the infiltration, to the the purge to the redemption of a former masked ally going dark side - which is core SW myth. You will fail because you can't. Even if you could, it would not prove anything except that there is yet another film that ripped off Star Wars (it's in fact the most ripped off franchise including ripping off itself). Winter Soldier would still be a rip off. It's plot beats btw, not generic "storytelling devices" we are talking about. While the former are protected by copyright, the latter aren't. If you make claims at least try to understand the subject matter.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Mar 26, 2018 19:04:06 GMT
He's probably not aware that lots of this stuff came from the Super-Patriot storyline back in the 1980s Cap comics. The ones that predate the Prequels.
Seriously Tristan, you want to troll you have to troll harder.
He's trying to pull a Jimmy Shive-Overly( FX's "You're The Worst") and failing miserably. And the irony is that Jimmy despite all his ego driven mistakes still has a far better life than Tristan ever could. ah we are back to the adhom arguments again. Tbh if I had a miserable life as you insist, your crying me a salty river would truly make my day. I really like you Dreddio, you always make me laugh and feel good about myself.
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Post by sostie on Mar 26, 2018 19:07:47 GMT
A little ironic considering how many films Star Wars itself ripped off
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Mar 26, 2018 19:23:01 GMT
I like how you say that it is a rip-off then go back and say that WS did things differently. lol He's probably not aware that lots of this stuff came from the Super-Patriot storyline back in the 1980s Cap comics. The ones that predate the Prequels.
Seriously Tristan, you want to troll you have to troll harder.
I have demonstrated the plot beats from the infiltration purge to the redemption of an old ally (cf OP) - the core story of Star Wars. Now prove your claim, demonstrate me how these plot points are in Super-Patriot (LOL) predating the Star Wars myth and the prequels. Can't? Though so, as always. Btw at long last learn what trolling means, if I was trolling I would be highly successful with it considering you Marvel fanboys having hysterical hissy fits - and you would be feeding the troll which you should not. Three demerits for you ignorance.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Mar 26, 2018 19:32:00 GMT
A little ironic considering how many films Star Wars itself ripped off a tu quoque defense is a fallacy, sostie. Even if so, that would not unmake Winter Soldier a SW rip-off, not irony but simple logic that. Not that it was relevant, man, but which films would that be (pls don't say Hidden Fortress, you are better than that). But I bet you cannot demonstrate any film a Star Wars movie steals from so many central story elements/plot points as WS does.
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Post by thenewnexus on Mar 26, 2018 19:51:35 GMT
They keep saying Thor and Guardians are not kid movies,even though I give them proof. The biggest sins in the New Star wars is the treatment of the og characters and Rey pretty much doing something equal to usint cheat codes to he one with the force. They're not exclusively tailor made for them but kids can enjoy them. Marvel makes movies for everybody. They are made for Kids if they weren't they would be like Winter Soldier and Black Panther
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 26, 2018 20:07:32 GMT
As taylorfirst1 said these storytelling devices have been used many times in various forms of entertainment over the years, both before and after Star Wars was created. Star Wars did not create these elements from itself, they took influence from various pop culture, folklore, and mythology and repackaged them to its own narrative. prove don't talk for once. Referring to another poster making mere claims without evidence is no proof. Think in a court they would take you seriously with that kind of defense? No! So, show me one other movie before and after that has all the plot points I mentioned, starting with the infiltration, to the the purge to the redemption of a former masked ally going dark side - which is core SW myth. You will fail because you can't. Even if you could, it would not prove anything except that there is yet another film that ripped off Star Wars (it's in fact the most ripped off franchise including ripping off itself). Winter Soldier would still be a rip off. It's plot beats btw, not generic "storytelling devices" we are talking about. While the former are protected by copyright, the latter aren't. If you make claims at least try to understand the subject matter. *Sighs * www.looper.com/6675/things-star-wars-ripped-movies/ www.telegraph.co.uk/film/star-wars--a-new-hope/movies-influences-george-lucas/screenrant.com/movies-inspired-star-wars/www.slate.com/articles/arts/cover_story/2015/12/star_wars_is_a_pastiche_how_george_lucas_combined_flash_gordon_westerns.htmlwww.youtube.com/watch?v=4g8r0LhpMzkwww.youtube.com/watch?v=_pU6B2zEFegwww.bbc.com/culture/story/20160104-the-film-star-wars-stole-fromwww.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/valerian-comics-star-wars-inspirationwww.openculture.com/2014/05/how-star-wars-borrowed-from-akira-kurosawas-great-samurai-films.htmlen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_sources_and_analogueswww.folkstory.com/articles/petersburg.htmlwww.starwars.com/news/star-wars-in-mythology-the-shadowwww.whoinspired.com/wiki/Star_Warswww.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2015/12/21/understanding-the-japanese-influences-behind-star-wars/#65588f525e1cwww.inafarawaygalaxy.com/2014/03/influences-inspiration-star-wars-lucas-films.htmlgreekmythtrotter.blogspot.com/2016/12/star-wars-and-greek-mythology.htmlmedium.com/@damiengwalter/the-3000-year-old-sacred-story-that-inspired-star-warsstar-wars-the-last-jedi-continues-a-40da4e0d1834filmschoolrejects.com/star-wars-art-inspiration-history-85d2699c1c74/www.syfy.com/syfywire/origins-star-wars-12-things-you-should-watchreadlistverse.com/2015/03/26/10-pieces-of-pop-culture-that-influenced-star-wars/www.techtimes.com/articles/88089/20151001/star-wars-origins-classic-films-inspired-george-lucas-intergalactic-vision.htmwww.youtube.com/watch?v=8J4LYVs5Gg4
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 26, 2018 20:10:44 GMT
He's probably not aware that lots of this stuff came from the Super-Patriot storyline back in the 1980s Cap comics. The ones that predate the Prequels.
Seriously Tristan, you want to troll you have to troll harder.
I have demonstrated the plot beats from the infiltration purge to the redemption of an old ally (cf OP) - the core story of Lots of stories...including the Super-Patriot story. But as you do nothing but make assumptions and you never do your homework, you wouldn't know that. Find the TPB and do it yourself. You're making the claims here. It has a Captain America replacement being drive mad by outside events and his own personal failings, going bad, Red Skull having infiltrating the Government and then the conspiracy discovered, etc. It even had a "High Commissioner" turn out to be a major Bad guy while pretending to be a Government Official. Wow, Wars really owes Cap a lot. Doing what you're doing.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 26, 2018 20:11:37 GMT
They're not exclusively tailor made for them but kids can enjoy them. Marvel makes movies for everybody. They are made for Kids So is Lord of the Rings.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 26, 2018 20:14:07 GMT
He's trying to pull a Jimmy Shive-Overly( FX's "You're The Worst") and failing miserably. And the irony is that Jimmy despite all his ego driven mistakes still has a far better life than Tristan ever could. ah we are back to the adhom arguments again. Tbh if I had a miserable life as you insist, your crying me a salty river would truly make my day. I really like you Dreddio, you always make me laugh and feel good about myself. Cute, but your superiority complex is only coming off as even more juvenile than you intended. You probably should stop while you're ahead as you sip chocolate milk in your kitchen from a martini glass like you're a wealthy socialist at the opera. Well, ego doesn't do everybody a favor, low-rent version of Jimmy Shive-Overly.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 26, 2018 20:18:48 GMT
They're not exclusively tailor made for them but kids can enjoy them. Marvel makes movies for everybody. They are made for Kids if they weren't they would be like Winter Soldier and Black Panther They're made for everybody, you can enjoy their movies at any age and be satisfied. Kids can watch for the spectacle, the pretty colors, and the quirky interaction between characters but adult viewers will can watch for more defined reasons such as political and sociological themes and analyze the effectiveness of the visual storytelling. It's not any different than Pixar, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, or Studio Ghibli. Kids movies, they way you would describe them as being anyway, would be more apt to, say, Alvin & The Chipmunks. Kids could really only enjoy those types of movies, but in older age the appreciation dies out and what was amusing at a time becomes an annoyance.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Mar 26, 2018 20:21:53 GMT
prove don't talk for once. Referring to another poster making mere claims without evidence is no proof. Think in a court they would take you seriously with that kind of defense? No! So, show me one other movie "before and after" that has all the plot points I mentioned, starting with the infiltration, to the the purge to the redemption of a former masked ally going dark side - which is core SW myth.
You will fail because you can't. Even if you could, it would not prove anything except that there is yet another film that ripped off Star Wars (it's in fact the most ripped off franchise including ripping off itself). Winter Soldier would still be a rip off.
*Sighs * sigh indeed, so you got nothing. Just generic deflections sloppily googled together without any relevance, like a child unwilling to do homework. I highlight again your claim you must prove. Don't fail me again, Dredd.
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Post by sostie on Mar 26, 2018 20:23:20 GMT
A little ironic considering how many films Star Wars itself ripped off a tu quoque defense is a fallacy, sostie. Even if so, that would not unmake Winter Soldier a SW rip-off, not irony but simple logic that. The Marvel films have used plotlines, events, motinvations from the Marvel history, rarely from a single story arc or even the same character's story line. Many of these published before the prequels (which it seems you are mostly referring to) and even Star Wars itself. There are decades of storylines that Marvel has at it's disposal, so it is a bit of a stretch to pick 8 similarities from what 3 or 4 Star Wars films and say WS lifted them from those as opposed to the wealth of stories they already had which the same events are comparable A hero turning to the "darkside" - Dark Phoenix for example (complete with evil mastermind of dark organisation using a false identity to turn and seduce a person with special powers to evil and subsequently turning her against her group of special powered people) There are numerous examples of Marvel characters being brainwashed to be evil It's also a bit of a stretch to compare Bucky's brainwashing/re-programming to Annakin's manipulation There are numerous examples of evil Marvel characters turning from evil to good. And vice versa There are numerous examples of evil Marvel characters wearing a mask to hide their identity Not exactly a direct comparison. How long was the Galactic Republic in existence before it was infiltrated? SHIELD had it's strings pulled by Hydra virtually from it's formation. If there is a realistic comparison to be made with WS and another source it's the TV show Alias. But if you want reduce things to comparisons to suit your asserion...SHIELD & HYDRA were created years before Galactic Republic & Sith. Bit of a stretch. So SLJ played both characters and someone tried to kill them. And? So did the writers of WS think, let's have an attempt on Fury's life because it it happened to SLJ in Sith? There are way more examples of comparisons that Marvel did before Star Wars can be found. Iv'e already pointed out earlier similarities between Star Wars and X-Men. I didn't specify story elements or pliot points..plenty of those can be found in Marvel comics. But certainly ripped off elements far more substantial than some you have accused WS of stealing
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