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Post by taylorfirst1 on Mar 27, 2018 18:51:51 GMT
Somewhere on IMDBv2 there is a list of all the similarities between Justice League and The Avengers and the list is longer and more specific than your Star Wars/WS list. But none of it actually matters. It's the quality of the movies that counts. this maybe?Yes, that's the one I was remembering.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Mar 27, 2018 22:35:20 GMT
Friends and fiends, the responses here have been disappointing and deflective so far! To be clear, the ONLY discussion topic here is: TWS's main plot consists to a large degree of famous SW plot points and story structure associated with Star Wars (in Sith/Jedi), such as the infiltration and "Order 66"-purge and destruction of an justice organization, to the turning of a good guy into a mask wearing villain, his reveal and his final redemption/turning through the main hero (see OP for details). The rip off can be only be debunked by proving that exactly this main storyline (plot beats and structure) was already used in Cap lore before Star Wars - thus showing George Lucas stealing it for the SW saga - which would be an sensation considering the extensive SW-literature on this being totally silent on any Marvel influence! (you are sitting on a gold mine boys) Everything else are just pointless deflections and fallacies just wasting our precious time, in particular: - "This story is so generic and has been used before and after Star wars": No, it has not in this form. But if so, show me one story before that used this detailed assortment of plot beats and story structure as set out in the OP. - Other films like X-Men copied SW too; that is a nonsensical claim and does not make the rip off through TWS any better; TFA (ep VII) has rehashed ANH shamelessly, but that is not the discussion point here. - Lucas has ripped off story points from others too. Again, this is not the discussion - and no, he never so extensively ripped off the entire story structure of another single movie or book as outlined in the OP for TWS. If yes, prove it in another thread please. Do or do not, there is no try.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 27, 2018 22:38:49 GMT
Friends and fiends, the responses here have been Pretty good at demolishing your latest silliness. If you read "Captain America No More!" you'd know this. But as you're a poser, you haven't.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Mar 27, 2018 22:50:26 GMT
Friends and fiends, the responses here have been Pretty good at demolishing your latest silliness. If you read "Captain America No More!" you'd know this. But as you're a poser, you haven't. lol, in your post above you spoke of "Super-Patriot", now "Captain A-No More". I don't care. Per usual I take you not seriously UNLESS you - instead of the usual BLAH - provide me with an official synopsis of one Cap story including all the accumulated plot beats and structure for review. If you are right we write a "Lucas stole from Marvel" book and make Millions (can be a comic book too if you insist), consider it, I have enough money but have you?
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 27, 2018 23:00:45 GMT
Pretty good at demolishing your latest silliness. If you read "Captain America No More!" you'd know this. But as you're a poser, you haven't. lol, in your post above you spoke of "Super-Patriot", now "Captain A-No More". I don't care. Tough noogies, you want proof it's in that story. Read it. The original name for the story was "Captain America No More" then it was changed to "The Captain" when collected in TPB (it was quite long), I call it "Super-Patriot" as my own thing. It's the storyline that DC ripped off 4 or so times in the 90s with "Reign of the Supermen", "Knightfall", "Emerald Twilight" and Wonder Woman being replaced by Artemis. Elements of the story were the things you claim came from the Prequels, when they actually originated here. You made these accusations, now you read the story you didn't bother doing any research on because of your shallow approach to things. Frank Herbert considered doing something about Star Wars ripping off Dune but figured it wasn't worth it. I'll be like Herbert.
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Post by merh on Mar 28, 2018 7:10:51 GMT
I just read the WS-directors claim WS is based on French Connection, Heat or Blow Out. Sure, the hypocracy is strong with these ones, conveniently omitting that WS is essentially a rehash of central Star Wars plot points. I'm not talking about the explicit Star Wars referrence in WS but key plot points and character motivation, for instance:
What a blatant rip-off sans the outstanding Star Wars imagination, music and art design... trust your feelings, you know it to be true.
WOW the crazy cat lady is strong in you.... Dont blame crazy cat ladies. We like the MCU
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Post by merh on Mar 28, 2018 7:39:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 9:36:33 GMT
WOW the crazy cat lady is strong in you.... Dont blame crazy cat ladies. We like the MCU Apologies. I have zero arguments against this ;-)
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Post by harpospoke on Apr 1, 2018 23:35:32 GMT
Yet another "flaw" in the MCU that only Marvel haters notice? Yeah sure....everyone was coming out of WS saying it reminded them of Star Wars. The stink of desperation is ripe here. Plus....everyone knows WS really copied The Princess Bride anyway.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 2, 2018 0:16:00 GMT
Yet another "flaw" in the MCU that only Marvel haters notice? Yeah sure....everyone was coming out of WS saying it reminded them of Star Wars. The stink of desperation is ripe here. Plus....everyone knows WS really copied The Princess Bride anyway. They are upset that I keep saying that the X-men movies are a rip-off of Star Wars. I mean every time Singer says he went to someone to get ideas on how to make the movie, the movies turns out to be just like that person's movie. He went to James Cameron about time travel (because he's a physicist) when he was making DoFP and well... DoFP is just T2.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 2, 2018 0:54:04 GMT
Funny part is that you can see it in the look of him, also. I've always looked at Vader's helmet as looking like the Jedi robe with a Death's Head mask underneath. But thinking of it with Doom in mind you can see the cape and hood with the Death's Head mask like Doom. He even has the flared gloves like Doom.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 11, 2018 19:45:14 GMT
lol, in your post above you spoke of "Super-Patriot", now "Captain A-No More". I don't care. Tough noogies, you want proof it's in that story. Read it. The original name for the story was "Captain America No More" then it was changed to "The Captain" when collected in TPB (it was quite long), I call it "Super-Patriot" as my own thing. It's the storyline that DC ripped off 4 or so times in the 90s with "Reign of the Supermen", "Knightfall", "Emerald Twilight" and Wonder Woman being replaced by Artemis. Elements of the story were the things you claim came from the Prequels, when they actually originated here. what crap are you trying to sell here...? This obscure 1987 curiosity has not even the semblance of the same plot or at least they forgot to mention the plot points in question on any plot summary and synopsis I read. Strange as this should be a very very prominent plot point as prominent as was in the movies. Maybe you just misremembered again? Here as a refreshment the plot from Wiki: LOL
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 11, 2018 19:56:48 GMT
This obscure 1987 curiosity One obscure enough DC ripped it off at least 3 times. Everything you brought up from the Prequels is in there. Infiltration, hero fighting another hero-gone-bad who went bad partly because his parents died, government people being killed by said infiltration etc. Not as banal as how the Prequels did it, of course. The Cap story was much better thought out and had a much more adventurous storyline, better done characters, etc.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 11, 2018 20:07:24 GMT
This obscure 1987 curiosity One obscure enough DC ripped it off at least 3 times. Everything you brought up from the Prequels is in there. lol at how desperately empty-handed you are. The fanboy wears no clothes! Must be hard to accept that the best and most mature MCU film is just a weak, stake-less ripp off of core Star Wars plot points. Hell Marvel in TWS ripped more off the Saga than they did in Thor: Fragglerock from the great Ragnarök myth. It's so marvelously pathetic it's funny again. I do't care about DC comics, but when you claim it, it must be false, and everybody knows Marvel stole much from DC including the Justice League and even Wolverine - the best Marvel character BY LIGHTYEARS - was blatantly copied from DC when an DC cartoonist changed to Marvel. But frankly, I don't care about cartoon dreck.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 11, 2018 20:10:35 GMT
One obscure enough DC ripped it off at least 3 times. Everything you brought up from the Prequels is in there. lol at how desperately empty-handed you are. We've brought up proof, you just do vague comparisons. True to its source material, which Star Wars owes its existence to. The one where Surtur destroys Asgard, the Gods aren't all wiped out and they escape to begin anew. Much better than a generic Apocalypse knock-off, or WW running roughshod over Greek Mythology. Marvel stole much from DC including the Justice League [/quote] The concept of people teaming up predates DC. A fairly bland and flat anti-hero. Dime a dozen. Characters like him nearly destroyed the genre. Have an argument. Bottom line is, the FoX-Men's time is over and done. They'll be pulled screaming into the future whether they like it or not. And the DCEU is finally learning it must adapt to the new paradigm as well.
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