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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 30, 2018 5:46:47 GMT
Especially when Wonder Woman was just them making Captain America: First Avenger combined with Thor. It was already done. Civil War was the logical upcoming movie for Marvel so what does DC do? BvS. A team of outlaws? Suicide Squad. Upcoming movies are Aquaman and Shazam. One is a movie about the heir to the thrown of a hidden kingdom returning home to fight for the thrown. The other is a movie about a high school student that is also a superhero. Black Panther and Spider-man Homecoming? Why haven't we gotten Nightwing yet? Are they waiting for a movie they can copy? Black Widow is a spy and an acrobatic martial artist that uses a couple of escrima sticks as weapons. Maybe after that movie comes out? Check this out. Kinda looked like DC tried to lift an entire subplot from Civil War for JL. A good breakdown of how Marvel did it well and DC missed the mark: I happen to like JL but didn't care for that "Flash". That shows one of the differences between the 2 franchises. One gets you to care about the characters. All the Flash was was weird twitches and "I'm not looking at that" awkward looks he gives.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2018 6:06:16 GMT
Pretty big stones required to suggest Marvel is copying DC when the entire DCU wouldn't even exist without Marvel doing the MCU first. DC fans should be thanking Marvel for finally forcing WB to make the WW movie. WW was the movie playing catchup. .MCU fans should be thanking DC for finally forcing MCU to make the Captain Marvel movie. Yeah. I have to agree with you there DC-Fan but I would credit Geoff Johns in being the main reason we got the 'Wonder Woman' 'cause unlike Warner Bros who have had years to make a 'Wonder Woman' movie (and should have made one in the 80s with Lynda Carter) and have stopped a lot of female superhero movies from going through like the 'Supergirl/ Linda Danvers' movie Peter David was involved in back in the early 00s which was rumoured to have Alicia Silverstone attached to it who was far more suited to the role of Supergirl than Batgirl in my opinion, Geoff Johns has been pushing for more female representation in DC movies and TV shows. He was a former 'Supergirl' and 'Witchblade' writer, him and Gail Simone were behind the decision to fix Barbara Gordon and make her Batgirl again, he is a big fan of Black Canary and the Birds of Prey and has said that in multiple interviews and Geoff is not a sexist twit. Marvel has had similar problems to DC with Warner Bros and Ike stopped female lead movies from happening. The founder of Marvel studios, David Maisel who is the reason the MCU is around today has started his own studios now with Scooter Braun called Mythos Studios and they have bought 50 percent of Aspen Comics and are looking to adapt 'Fathom' and 'Soulfire' and other series under Aspen Comics and bring the 'Aspen Universe' to screen!! 'Fathom' is one of the most successful female lead comic book series of all time, 'Soulfire' has a lot of female characters and Aspen is predominantly a company that publishes female lead comic books like 'Lola XOXO', 'Bubblegun' and the upcoming 'JIRNI' but when David Maisel was at Marvel studios he couldn't make any female lead movies 'cause of Ike.
I would also credit the 'MeToo' movement for more female lead comic book movies for exposing rapists in positions of power in Hollywood who have long stopped female lead movies from hitting the big screens. The 'MeToo' movement has been a contributing factor in kicking out dinosaurs.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 30, 2018 6:22:56 GMT
Wasn't DC going to make MoS 2, but changed it to include Batman? There was no plan to make BvS. But the storyline for Stark and Rogers was headed toward Civil War since Avengers. No, there was never any indication that MCU was making Civil War until October 2014, 3 months after DC announced BvS. MCU fans like to claim that MCU ahd a plan from the beginning, but MCU had no plans in 2008 or 2012 to make Civil War or SMH or Captain Marvel. SMH came about as a result of Sony agreeing to let MCU use Spider-Man while Civil War was a reaction to BvS and Captain Marvel is a reaction to Wonder Woman. From the 1st moment Stark and Rogers took a side against each other in the helicarrier in The Avengers, Civil War was going to be a thing. From the moment Captain Marvel started getting boosted in the comics, a Captain Marvel movie was going to be a thing. The only thing that was stopping Captain Marvel from being a thing was Ike Perlmutter. The moment Perlmutter ceased being the CEO of Marvel Entertainment, Captain Marvel was announced. Also, when did I mention Spider-man Homecoming or Captain Marvel? Sony has the full rights to Spider-man so of course there was no plans for a Spider-man Homecoming. That's like saying that Marvel had no plans for a Superman movie, but you know Disney will make that when they eventually get the rights.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 30, 2018 7:27:41 GMT
[That shows one of the differences between the 2 franchises. One gets you to care about the characters. Agreed. DC's characters are more likable. MCU's characters aren't likable and nobody cares about them. Thanks for the laugh.
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Post by hardball on Mar 30, 2018 10:16:06 GMT
[That shows one of the differences between the 2 franchises. One gets you to care about the characters. Agreed. DC's characters are more likable. MCU's characters aren't likable and nobody cares about them. lol
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Post by sostie on Mar 30, 2018 11:09:06 GMT
(Assuming what you say is actually correct...I know you have a place in the meetings held at Marvel & DC so it must be) And yet Marvel managed to release their film just a month later, receive much higher critic and audience scores and destroy them at the Box Office. Hilarious. Not an assumption. It's a fact. DC announced BvS at Comic-Con in July 2014. MCU reacted to the BvS announcement by announcing in October 2014 that Captain America 3 would be Iron Man vs Captain America. Civil War wasn't released until May 2016 so it was about 19 months after the announcement and about 22 months after DC announced BvS. No it IS an assumption. Comprehend something before you respond...where can you find any evidence that the people at Marvel thought "DC are making a BvS film...we better push forward and make hero vs hero movie pronto". You can't. You are not one of the people involved , and therefore you are assuming.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 30, 2018 11:50:05 GMT
Nah, Marvel just said that for PR. Comic movies would exist without Superman the movie, just like superhero comics would exist without Superman. Nope, big-budget superhero movies wouldn't exist today if not for Superman: The Movie and comic-books superheroes wouldn't exist today if not for Superman and Action Comics #1. Nah, given how flat and archetypal he was....he's totally expendable. Any hero could've replaced him.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 30, 2018 11:50:53 GMT
[That shows one of the differences between the 2 franchises. One gets you to care about the characters. Agreed. DC's characters are more unlikable. MCU's characters aren't unlikable and nobody complains about them. Fixed.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 30, 2018 11:52:09 GMT
From the 1st moment Stark and Rogers took a side against each other in the helicarrier in The Avengers, Civil War was going to be a thing. From the moment Captain Marvel started getting boosted in the comics, a Captain Marvel movie was going to be a thing. The only thing that was stopping Captain Marvel from being a thing was Ike Perlmutter. The moment Perlmutter ceased being the CEO of Marvel Entertainment, Captain Marvel was announced. More lies. MCU never intended to make a Captain Marvel movie, until 2 weeks after DC announced a Wonder Woman, then suddenly MCU added Captain Marvel to their list of movies. IKe Perlmutter was still CEO of Marvel Entertainment at the time and would be still be CEO for another 10 months. So it wasn't Ike Perlmutter that was stopping MCU from making a Captain Marvel movie. It was the misogynistic leadership at MCU, which includes MCU Dictator Kevin Feige, that stopped MCU from making a Captain Marvel movie or any other female-led movie for a decade. Until DC announced a Wonder Woman movie and then MCU followed DC's lead and announced a Captain Marvel movie. The MCU had a specific reason they couldn't get Captain Marvel made (Perlmutter) and as soon as he was gone they started development on her. WB however, has no excuse. They could've made WW decades ago and did nothing until the MCU provoked them.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 30, 2018 13:30:24 GMT
From the 1st moment Stark and Rogers took a side against each other in the helicarrier in The Avengers, Civil War was going to be a thing. From the moment Captain Marvel started getting boosted in the comics, a Captain Marvel movie was going to be a thing. The only thing that was stopping Captain Marvel from being a thing was Ike Perlmutter. The moment Perlmutter ceased being the CEO of Marvel Entertainment, Captain Marvel was announced. More lies. MCU never intended to make a Captain Marvel movie, until 2 weeks after DC announced a Wonder Woman, then suddenly MCU added Captain Marvel to their list of movies. IKe Perlmutter was still CEO of Marvel Entertainment at the time and would be still be CEO for another 10 months. So it wasn't Ike Perlmutter that was stopping MCU from making a Captain Marvel movie. It was the misogynistic leadership at MCU, which includes MCU Dictator Kevin Feige, that stopped MCU from making a Captain Marvel movie or any other female-led movie for a decade. Until DC announced a Wonder Woman movie and then MCU followed DC's lead and announced a Captain Marvel movie. Ike Perlmutter was the misogynistic leadership at MCU. If they followed the DC's lead don't you think the movie would have been in theaters by now? Or maybe... Carol Danvers is in the soul stone...
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Post by harpospoke on Mar 30, 2018 17:09:02 GMT
[That shows one of the differences between the 2 franchises. One gets you to care about the characters. Agreed. DC's characters are more likable. MCU's characters aren't likable and nobody cares about them. MCU total box office: $5,911,398,332 Hard to make the case nobody cares about MCU characters.
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Post by harpospoke on Mar 30, 2018 17:11:45 GMT
Nice try...but no. Marvel started making movies when they formed their own studio obviously. DC had WB to make their movies for decades and just got around to WW in 2017. Hardly impressive. Nothing you wrote changes the fact that Marvel Studios wouldn't exist if not for Superman: The Movie and the Captain Marvel movie would've never been made if not for Wonder Woman. Well are you going to stop going back in time when it's convenient or are we going to talk about how neither Marvel or DC would exist without the stories of the gods centuries ago? How about The Phantom, Zorro and The Scarlet Pimpernel? We wouldn't have anything without them either.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 30, 2018 18:32:57 GMT
Agreed. DC's characters are more likable. MCU's characters aren't likable and nobody cares about them. MCU total box office: $5,911,398,332 Hard to make the case nobody cares about MCU characters. Especially when 1 of their movies beat out Justice League's entire run in just over a week.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 30, 2018 19:22:26 GMT
MCU total box office: $5,911,398,332 Hard to make the case nobody cares about MCU characters. Especially when 1 of their movies beat out Justice League's entire run in just over a week. And said movie was about a character that DC fans kept saying was a nobody who didn't deserve a movie.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 30, 2018 19:45:42 GMT
Especially when 1 of their movies beat out Justice League's entire run in just over a week. And said movie was about a character that DC fans kept saying was a nobody who didn't deserve a movie. Then will copy the basic synopsis of in their next movie.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 30, 2018 19:55:24 GMT
Civil War was a reaction by MCU to copy DC after DC announced BvS. (Assuming what you say is actually correct...I know you have a place in the meetings held at Marvel & DC so it must be) And yet Marvel managed to release their film just a month later, receive much higher critic and audience scores and destroy them at the Box Office. Hilarious. You'd think that people would hate Civil War for "being a copy" of BvS. But BvS was so bad that people forgot about it. Hell, BvS probably was the reason that people liked Civil War so much more. Marvel could have replaced Civil War with a quick shot Night Thrasher movie and it would have beaten BvS.
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Post by damngumby on Mar 30, 2018 21:57:41 GMT
Why on earth would Marvel care about what DC is doing? It’s like saying the N.E. Patriots are take cues from the Cleveland Browns.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 30, 2018 22:32:40 GMT
Why on earth would Marvel care about what DC is doing? It’s like saying the N.E. Patriots are take cues from the Cleveland Browns. Because fans need to feel like DC is doing something right.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 31, 2018 2:03:43 GMT
The MCU had a specific reason they couldn't get Captain Marvel made And that reason was MCU executives are misogynistic and didn't want to make any movies with a female lead. Until DC announced a Wonder Woman movie first. All of your excuse and finger-pointing at Ike Perlmutter doesn't change the fact that Ike Perlmutter was an executive of MCU and therefore represented MCU's stance that MCU didn't want to make any movies with a female lead. Until DC announced a Wonder Woman movie first. I don't think you actually know what the word misogynistic means.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 31, 2018 2:21:13 GMT
The MCU had a specific reason they couldn't get Captain Marvel made And that reason was Ike Perlmutter wouldn't let them, thanks mostly to all the damage WB did to the female Superhero Genre. Feige DID want to do it for years, and finally when he convinced Disney to move Pelmutter somewhere else (he's a Disney Shareholder, has a TON of stock and control) he was able to do so. WB had no such excuse. They chose only to do WW after the MCU had forced them to see how well a Shared Universe could work. As always, WB creates something and then destroys it and it's up to Marvel to fix it and do the real work.
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