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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 31, 2018 3:33:17 GMT
Ike Perlmutter wouldn't let them Ike Perlmutter, the MCU executive. Who everyone under him disagreed with, which led to him being moved away from the movies. He didn't speak for the MCU, which is why he was removed. WB has no such excuse, they're made up of incompetents all around. Fixed.
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Post by damngumby on Mar 31, 2018 5:01:09 GMT
Why on earth would Marvel care about what DC is doing? It’s like saying the N.E. Patriots are take cues from the Cleveland Browns. The Cheatriots hired a head coach (Bill Belicheat) who coached for the Browns. LOL!!! I’m glad you agree. DC = Cleveland Browns That’s big of you to admit.
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Post by sostie on Mar 31, 2018 9:26:32 GMT
No it IS an assumption. Comprehend something before you respond...where can you find any evidence that the people at Marvel thought "DC are making a BvS film...we better push forward and make hero vs hero movie pronto". You can't. You are not one of the people involved , and therefore you are assuming. Likewise, since Marvel announced Iron Man vs Captain America 3 months after DC announced BvS, then the burden is on YOU to provide evidence that MCU making Iron Man vs Captain America wasn't a reaction to the earlier BvS announcement. That you even posted that shows the a level of stupidity that makes it not worth even bothering to reply. If you can't see it, I won't waste my time.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Mar 31, 2018 9:51:46 GMT
Honestly it's kinda fucked up that Catwoman and Elektra got a movie before Wonder Woman. Who is without a doubt the most iconic Super Heroine, yet WB felt like Catwoman was a more important to adapt.
Granted WB mostly focus on Batman and Superman so I guess it shouldn't have been all that surprising, but still you would think they would cash in on her.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 31, 2018 11:49:35 GMT
Honestly it's kinda fucked up that Catwoman and Elektra got a movie before Wonder Woman. Who is without a doubt the most iconic Super Heroine, yet WB felt like Catwoman was a more important to adapt. Granted WB mostly focus on Batman and Superman so I guess it shouldn't have been all that surprising, but still you would think they would cash in on her. WB are the ones who started the "Female Superhero movies are bad" curse thing when they bombed with Supergirl.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 31, 2018 16:20:09 GMT
Didn't Ike Perlmutter leave because he went to work for the government? I mean, he fits right in with the Trump administration.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 31, 2018 16:22:18 GMT
Didn't Ike Perlmutter leave because he went to work for the government? I mean, he fits right in with the Trump administration. He got removed from MCU Studios but remained in control of the TV Department (one of the reasons the TV shows and Movies don't have more connection is because of leftover bitterness Perlmutter has towards Feige), then Trump asked him to work as a Government Consultant. Once Perlmutter steps away completely, Disney can hopefully get rid of Jeph Loeb as well since he's not that great a TV Head either. He's the number one reason their cartoons haven't as good as they could be.
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Post by harpospoke on Mar 31, 2018 16:57:41 GMT
The MCU had a specific reason they couldn't get Captain Marvel made And that reason was MCU executives are misogynistic and didn't want to make any movies with a female lead. Until DC announced a Wonder Woman movie first. All of your excuse and finger-pointing at Ike Perlmutter doesn't change the fact that Ike Perlmutter was an executive of MCU and therefore represented MCU's stance that MCU didn't want to make any movies with a female lead. Until DC announced a Wonder Woman movie first. If they "are" misogynistic, then they still wouldn't make a movie with a female lead so that claim fails the logic test immediately. If you want to attack Perlmutter, go nuts because most MCU fans don't care for him. The MCU has improved since they got rid of him. DC fans would be wise to not knee jerk defend everything WB does if you want a similar improvement with the DCU. Looks like the fans finally decided to take a stand with JL. (even though I liked JL...it's not considered good) This whole thing just sounds like desperation since the entire DCU would not exist in the first place without the MCU paving the way. Wonder Woman got ignored for decades until the MCU happened. Since WW is DC's third most iconic character it's hardly surprising in the least that she would get the next movie as DC copied Marvel. They actually went for GL before they decided to copy Marvel so it's not like they did anything special. The real question is "What took them so long?" To actually brag about WB finally making a WW movie? You must be joking. Marvel has no female character available who is in her league as far as public awareness and you are comparing? The truth is, if Marvel had WW she would have been the first movie they made.
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Post by harpospoke on Mar 31, 2018 17:00:32 GMT
Honestly it's kinda fucked up that Catwoman and Elektra got a movie before Wonder Woman. Who is without a doubt the most iconic Super Heroine, yet WB felt like Catwoman was a more important to adapt. Granted WB mostly focus on Batman and Superman so I guess it shouldn't have been all that surprising, but still you would think they would cash in on her. WB's almost psychotic devotion to the Batman/Superman family was a huge problem and still is. They are finally getting some public awareness for the Flash at least. Supergirl and Catwoman got movies before WW....that's mind boggling.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 31, 2018 22:02:40 GMT
the entire DCU would not exist in the first place without the MCU paving the way. The entire MCU wouldn't exist without Superman: The Movie paving the way. No, the MCU would exist just fine without Superman. Just like comics would exist just fine without Superman. He's not that important. Wonder Woman got ignored for decades until the MCU happened. FALSE! DC was planning a Wonder Woman movie long before MCU began[/quote] And did nothing until the MCU made it easier for them to do so.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 31, 2018 22:14:36 GMT
No, the MCU would exist just fine without Superman. Just like comics would exist just fine without Superman. He's not that important. Nope. MCU wouldn't exist without Superman: The Movie. And comics would exist without Superman, but comics would only be Richie Rich and Archie and no superheroes at all without Superman. Nah, Superhuman characters existed before Superman. Comic never needed him for there to be superheroes. He just has WB's hype machine making him look more important than he really was. CBMs would exist without Superman too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 5:05:55 GMT
Nope. MCU wouldn't exist without Superman: The Movie. And comics would exist without Superman, but comics would only be Richie Rich and Archie and no superheroes at all without Superman. Nah, Superhuman characters existed before Superman. Comic never needed him for there to be superheroes. He just has WB's hype machine making him look more important than he really was. CBMs would exist without Superman too. Not to support DC Fan but to be fair I did remember Kevin Feige said he based the tone and feel of the MCU off Superman: The Movie.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Apr 1, 2018 5:21:28 GMT
Nah, Superhuman characters existed before Superman. Comic never needed him for there to be superheroes. He just has WB's hype machine making him look more important than he really was. CBMs would exist without Superman too. Not to support DC Fan but to be fair I did remember Kevin Feige said he based the tone and feel of the MCU off Superman: The Movie. Superman: The Movie Continues To Influence Marvel & DC Films By Cooper Hood
06.08.2017The superhero movie genre has never been as popular as it is today, but both Marvel Studios and DC Films continue to use Richard Donner’s Superman: The Movie as an example to strive towards. Released back in 1978, director Richard Donner delivered an origin story for Superman that has so far gone unmatched. The Christopher Reeve starred flick took audiences on a journey as Clark Kent learned of his abilities and went on to save the day in typical hero fashion, and the way the film unfolds has kept it in the conversation to be one of the best superhero films of all-time. The target audience for the modern superhero genre may not have been around back when Donner’s first Superman movie hit theaters, but it has left a lasting impression on all who watch it – including some of the most powerful men in the superhero movie genre today. The Academy honored Donner’s storied career yesterday and had many familiar names on hand to share stories of his influence. Two of the men in attendance were none other than Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige and DC Films president Geoff Johns – both of whom were former assistants to the Donners. As noted by IGN, both men pointed to Superman as being hugely influential to the movies they are working to make right now – where Johns called it “the greatest superhero movie film still, ever.” Feige noted that he’s made a practice to rewatch the perfect origin story before they begin every MCU production: "Superman: The Movie is still to this day the archetype of the perfect superhero film origin story and we watch it before we make almost any one of our films, and that’s been the case for the past seventeen years since I left the fold to go work for Marvel."Marvel DC Comics Superheroes Superman: The Movie Continues To Influence Marvel & DC Film Projects Even though fans on both sides of Marvel/DC camps have created a rivalry between the properties, it goes to show just how similar they actually are. Marvel and DC’s films may be different in their style, approach, and/or tone, but with using Superman as their goal, they are drawing from the same source. Marvel has made its fair share of great origin stories already with Iron Man particularly standing out, but they’ve also adopted a similarly light-hearted tone that Superman had and kept the focus on the heroes – both when they are and are not saving the day. With more potential origin stories coming, Feige and company should prepare to watch Superman many more times. DC meanwhile has also pulled from Superman, with the most recent release of Wonder Woman being a shining example of that. This was very intentional on the part of director Patty Jenkins as she’s repeatedly cited Superman as inspiration for her vision. She even included plenty of callback sequences in the film, most notably reenacting the alley fight, but with the roles switched and Diana saving the day. As both cinematic universes move forward, we should only continue to see Superman have an influence on what they produce.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 1, 2018 12:10:55 GMT
Nah, Superhuman characters existed before Superman. Comic never needed him for there to be superheroes. He just has WB's hype machine making him look more important than he really was. CBMs would exist without Superman too. Not to support DC Fan but to be fair I did remember Kevin Feige said he based the tone and feel of the MCU off Superman: The Movie. I dunno, I think that's just saying a good PR line more than anything else.
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Post by damngumby on Apr 1, 2018 13:25:38 GMT
"Superman: The Movie is still to this day the archetype of the perfect superhero film origin story and we watch it before we make almost any one of our films, and that’s been the case for the past seventeen years since I left the fold to go work for Marvel." This, of course, fails to show that the MCU wouldn’t have even been attempted if not for Superman 1978. However, it is evidence that the tone of the MCU movies have been influenced by Superman 1978. The lighthearted approach, the mix of camp and drama ... all the things DC fans criticize about the MCU ... came from Superman 1978. Which mean they’ve been dumping on Superman 1978 all this time, without even realizing it!
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 1, 2018 18:46:12 GMT
Superman: The Movie Continues To Influence Marvel & DC Films By Cooper Hood
06.08.2017The superhero movie genre has never been as popular as it is today, but both Marvel Studios and DC Films continue to use Richard Donner’s Superman: The Movie as an example to strive towards. Released back in 1978, director Richard Donner delivered an origin story for Superman that has so far gone unmatched. The Christopher Reeve starred flick took audiences on a journey as Clark Kent learned of his abilities and went on to save the day in typical hero fashion, and the way the film unfolds has kept it in the conversation to be one of the best superhero films of all-time. The target audience for the modern superhero genre may not have been around back when Donner’s first Superman movie hit theaters, but it has left a lasting impression on all who watch it – including some of the most powerful men in the superhero movie genre today. The Academy honored Donner’s storied career yesterday and had many familiar names on hand to share stories of his influence. Two of the men in attendance were none other than Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige and DC Films president Geoff Johns – both of whom were former assistants to the Donners. As noted by IGN, both men pointed to Superman as being hugely influential to the movies they are working to make right now – where Johns called it “the greatest superhero movie film still, ever.” Feige noted that he’s made a practice to rewatch the perfect origin story before they begin every MCU production: "Superman: The Movie is still to this day the archetype of the perfect superhero film origin story and we watch it before we make almost any one of our films, and that’s been the case for the past seventeen years since I left the fold to go work for Marvel."Marvel DC Comics Superheroes Superman: The Movie Continues To Influence Marvel & DC Film Projects Even though fans on both sides of Marvel/DC camps have created a rivalry between the properties, it goes to show just how similar they actually are. Marvel and DC’s films may be different in their style, approach, and/or tone, but with using Superman as their goal, they are drawing from the same source. Marvel has made its fair share of great origin stories already with Iron Man particularly standing out, but they’ve also adopted a similarly light-hearted tone that Superman had and kept the focus on the heroes – both when they are and are not saving the day. With more potential origin stories coming, Feige and company should prepare to watch Superman many more times. DC meanwhile has also pulled from Superman, with the most recent release of Wonder Woman being a shining example of that. This was very intentional on the part of director Patty Jenkins as she’s repeatedly cited Superman as inspiration for her vision. She even included plenty of callback sequences in the film, most notably reenacting the alley fight, but with the roles switched and Diana saving the day. As both cinematic universes move forward, we should only continue to see Superman have an influence on what they produce. formersamhmd just got owned! Pretty words, but Superman's always been expendable as a character and an Icon.
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Post by harpospoke on Apr 1, 2018 19:09:50 GMT
the entire DCU would not exist in the first place without the MCU paving the way. The entire MCU wouldn't exist without Superman: The Movie paving the way. Not really the same thing is it? S:TM was of course the godfather for everything that followed, but the specific idea to do a shared universe was Marvel's. If they were only taking cues from S:TM obviously it would have been standalone stories like all the other CB movies. Wonder Woman got ignored for decades until the MCU happened. FALSE! DC was planning a Wonder Woman movie long before MCU began, but Joss Whedon wrote a crappy script so DC passed on Whedon's crappy script. Then Whedon made 2 crappy Avengers movies. Oh..."planning". Yeah they were "planning" for how many decades? What a coincidence that DC just happens to finally get their "plans" together when it was time to do a DCU. Let's see if it works both ways. We know that the Russo brothers were "planning" a Civil War Cap story long before BvS was announced....let me guess..that doesn't count, right?
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Post by harpospoke on Apr 1, 2018 19:12:32 GMT
Nope. MCU wouldn't exist without Superman: The Movie. And comics would exist without Superman, but comics would only be Richie Rich and Archie and no superheroes at all without Superman. Nah, Superhuman characters existed before Superman. Comic never needed him for there to be superheroes. He just has WB's hype machine making him look more important than he really was. CBMs would exist without Superman too. I don't have a problem giving props to Superman. As you said, there were super powered characters before Superman but he did kinda focus the idea into the template a little better. Maybe it was inevitable that characters like that would rise up, but someone did have to be first.
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Post by harpospoke on Apr 1, 2018 19:16:04 GMT
"Superman: The Movie is still to this day the archetype of the perfect superhero film origin story and we watch it before we make almost any one of our films, and that’s been the case for the past seventeen years since I left the fold to go work for Marvel." This, of course, fails to show that the MCU wouldn’t have even been attempted if not for Superman 1978. However, it is evidence that the tone of the MCU movies have been influenced by Superman 1978. The lighthearted approach, the mix of camp and drama ... all the things DC fans criticize about the MCU ... came from Superman 1978. Which mean they’ve been dumping on Superman 1978 all this time, without even realizing it! Now that's funny. And thank god that maybe DC is finally seeing how great S:TM was and is getting back to that instead of continuing to try that "dark" TDK approach that has been failing so badly. S:TM didn't "subvert the CB genre" or "transcend the CB genre"....it elevated and defined it. More Nolan fans need to understand that one.
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Post by harpospoke on Apr 1, 2018 19:26:50 GMT
This, of course, fails to show that the MCU wouldn’t have even been attempted if not for Superman 1978. However, it is evidence that the tone of the MCU movies have been influenced by Superman 1978. The lighthearted approach, the mix of camp and drama ... all the things DC fans criticize about the MCU ... came from Superman 1978. Which mean they’ve been dumping on Superman 1978 all this time, without even realizing it! Nope, Superman wasn't cracking jokes and 1-liners while the earthquake was happening or while he was fighting Zod, Ursa, and Non. Superman didn't call those a "party" like Iron Man called the Chitauri invasion and killing of hundreds of people a "party". So...now Marvel didn't copy SM:TM? You should pick a stance on this one.
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