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Post by harpospoke on Apr 2, 2018 4:51:56 GMT
You just claimed both again. Make up your mind. Did Marvel copy S:TM or did they do it differently? MCU copied the template for Superman: The Movie (which MCU Dictator Kevin Feige has admitted) but MCU dumbed down their movies for the kiddies and added bad jokes and 1-liners. So yes, MCU copied Superman: The Movie, but Superman: The Movie doesn't have the bad elements that MCU movies have. Since you clearly don't understand that concept, I'll explain it to you with a clear example.
Alfred Hitchcock directed Dial M for Murder in 1954. Husband finds out wife is having an affair so husband blackmails a crook to kill his wife at their home while the husband is away establishing his alibi. The hired killer tries to kill the wife, but the wife ends up killing him. When the husband gets home and finds the hired crook dead, he improvises and tries to make it appear that the wife knew the crook and planned to kill him. A clever police inspector figures out that the wife was set up and sets a trap for the husband. Then in 1998, A Perfect Murder copies Dial M for Murder, but instead of blackmailing a crook to kill his wife, the husband blackmails the guy who's having an affair with his wife. The wife survives the attempted murder and figures out on her own that her husband tried to have her killed. Did A Perfect Murder copy Dial M for Murder? Most people would say Yes, but A Perfect Murder added some elements which made it not as good a movie as Dial M for Murder. Likewise, MCU copied Superman: The Movie, but MCU dumbed down their movies for the kiddies and added some elements (e.g. bad jokes and 1-liners) that made it worse than Superman: The Movie. So do you understand it now? Or do you need me to explain it to you again? You just typed out a longer version of "Marvel copied DC....but Marvel did it differently than DC". Same claim that doesn't make sense. Make up your mind. You are going to have to land on one of those if you have any hope of being taken serious. Obviously it's not the same thing to use the same story and do it differently. Marvel isn't doing a story about an alien from another planet who gets super powers from the yellow sun. So which is it? Are you going to claim Marvel is making S:TM or are you going to claim Marvel is doing it differently from DC? |
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 2, 2018 5:08:51 GMT
Wow, DC fan is on one of his episodes again. Someone forgot to take their meds...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 10:32:38 GMT
Wow, DC fan is on one of his episodes again. Someone forgot to take their meds... DC Fan is the biggest block head I've ever come across on these boards, how stupid can he be? I've mention this before in the past that the Superman movies and Supergirl movie are a shared Superman universe NOT a DC universe I repeat NOT A TRUE DC cinematic universe. If they had showed someone else outside of his universe besides Supergirl then it would be a DC cinematic universe but there was no one else, there was no Batman, no Flash, no Wonder Woman or any other DC character. It was all within Superman's pocket universe, therefor as far as a true superhero cinematic universe goes Marvel did it first and that is a fact! |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Apr 2, 2018 10:44:01 GMT
If the Christopher Reeves Superman films are considered a share universe It was a shared universe. It was the 1st shared universe for superheroes in the movies. The Wright brothers 1st flight traveled just 120 feet and last only 12 seconds, at a speed of 6.8 MPH. The altitude was about 10 feet above the ground. There was no lavatory, no in-flight movie, no Internet access on that flight. And the plane couldn't have made a non-stop trans-Continental flight like many of today's commercial passenger jets routinely make. It may not have been much of a flight, but that's because it was the 1st controlled, sustained flight of a motor-powered aircraft in human history and no one else had ever done anything like that before. Likewise, the Christopher Reeves Superman movies were part of the 1st shared universe for superheroes in the movies. It may not have been compared to today's shared cinematic universes, but that's because it was the 1st shared universe for superheroes in the movies and no one else had ever done anything like that before. So basically Marvel made a better one. That you're ashamed to admit. Hey don't get sad man! You got the DCEU to root for! Especially since they finally made a Wonder Woman film that wasn't a collosal piece of shit like Supergirl, Catwoman and Elektra! |
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Post by sostie on Apr 2, 2018 11:55:11 GMT
The so called shared universe in Superman/Supergirl did not influence the MCU to do the same. If anything, their own comics did 1st, there's no evidence at all that MCU was influenced to create a shared universe because of their comics and not because of the Christopher Reeves Superman movies and Supergirl doing it 1st. And there's no evidence at all that MCU was influenced to create a shared universe because of of the Christopher Reeves Superman movies and Supergirl doing it 1st and not because of their comics. You want to think the MCU was influenced by the introduction of a badly received, often forgotten film connected with a franchise than the more likely decades worth stories and examples in their own publications. Is this another one of your shitty analogies involving Rugby Lite and Bouncy Ball? ABL? ABA? No idea...are they bowel problems? If you are going to use another of your crappy analogies use examples that are universally known you insular little man. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 2, 2018 12:02:16 GMT
MCU copies the major elements of Superman: The MovieEven if that were true, they improved on anything they got inspiration from in Superman the Movie. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 2, 2018 15:32:20 GMT
Too bad the MCU is so regressive and sexist. What a pity for female fans and fans of good cinema in general.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 2, 2018 16:28:33 GMT
Too bad the DCEU is so regressive and sexist. What a pity for female fans and fans of good cinema in general. Fixed. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 2, 2018 17:08:27 GMT
Too bad the DCEU is so regressive and sexist. What a pity for female fans and fans of good cinema in general. Fixed. Pretty fucking lazy, weak response. And not even applicable in this case as the DCEU is ridiculously ahead of McMarvel in terms of female representation onscreen. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 2, 2018 18:58:02 GMT
Pretty fucking lazy, weak response. And not even applicable in this case as the DCEU is ridiculously ahead of McMarvel in terms of female representation onscreen. The only way the MCU is in anyways an Assembly Line is that they get their movies done on time, on budget and they don't Prima Donna Directors or Self-Absorbed Actors. All WB has is Wonder Woman, and even then they're behind because they could've made her movie decades ago but chose not to. |
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 2, 2018 19:03:52 GMT
Pretty fucking lazy, weak response. And not even applicable in this case as the DCEU is ridiculously ahead of McMarvel in terms of female representation onscreen.Completely and utterly false. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 2, 2018 19:34:38 GMT
Pretty fucking lazy, weak response. And not even applicable in this case as the DCEU is ridiculously ahead of McMarvel in terms of female representation onscreen.Completely and utterly false. Completely and utterly true. Sorry to upset you, lady. |
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 2, 2018 19:50:50 GMT
Completely and utterly false. Completely and utterly true. Sorry to upset you, lady. False. AOS alone stomps anything the DCEU has in terms of female empowerment. That's not even including MCU movies or MCU Netflix shows. Now if you wanted to limit it only to DCEU movies vs. MCU movies then DCEU does have the advantage, though not as big as you make it seem. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 2, 2018 19:53:57 GMT
Completely and utterly false. Completely and utterly true. Sorry to upset you, lady. The DCEU couldn't even be bothered to put their major female Heroine in any real danger in her own movie, they had to take the cowardly way out the whole way through. |
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Post by harpospoke on Apr 3, 2018 6:55:17 GMT
You just typed out a longer version of "Marvel copied DC....but Marvel did it differently than DC". Same claim that doesn't make sense. Make up your mind. You are going to have to land on one of those if you have any hope of being taken serious. Obviously it's not the same thing to use the same story and do it differently. Marvel isn't doing a story about an alien from another planet who gets super powers from the yellow sun. So which is it? Are you going to claim Marvel is making S:TM or are you going to claim Marvel is doing it differently from DC? MCU copied Superman: The Movie just like A Perfect Murder copied Dial M for Murder, but MCU dumbed down their movies and made it worse than Superman: The Movie just like A Perfect Murder added some elements which made it worse than Dial M for Murder. Do you understand that now? Or do you need me to explain it to you again? Oh, you still don't understand it? OK, I'll make it really simple for you. Let's say the teacher gives his class a pop quiz with 10 questions. 1 student copies 9 of the answers from another student. OK, technically he didn't copy the other student's entire quiz since he copied only 9 out of 10 of the other student's answers. But whether it's copying 90% or even copying just 50%, it's still copying. And that's what MCU is doing when they copied Superman: The Movie.MCU copies the major elements of Superman: The Movie, but MCU dumbs down their movies for the kiddies and adds elements (e.g. bad jokes and 1-liners) that make their movies worse than Superman: The Movie. So it's perfectly valid to say that Superman: The Movie is a great movie, but MCU movies (which are bad copies of Superman: The Movie) are bad movies. Basically, MCU movies are defective copies of Superman: The Movie. No, you are still trying to have it both ways. This entire post fails the logic test quickly. You cite a remake. Marvel has never remade S:TM so your claim fails right there. They are not making any movies about an alien who came to Earth as a baby and got super powers from our yellow sun. That's a remake like your example....obviously a different thing than what Marvel did. What you are claiming is that Marvel copied the style of S:TM.....but then did it differently. That's an illogical claim that falls apart the moment you type it. So make up your mind. Are you going to claim Marvel copied the style of S:TM or that they did it differently? Pick one. |
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Post by harpospoke on Apr 3, 2018 6:56:43 GMT
Wow, DC fan is on one of his episodes again. Someone forgot to take their meds... DC Fan is the biggest block head I've ever come across on these boards, how stupid can he be? I've mention this before in the past that the Superman movies and Supergirl movie are a shared Superman universe NOT a DC universe I repeat NOT A TRUE DC cinematic universe. If they had showed someone else outside of his universe besides Supergirl then it would be a DC cinematic universe but there was no one else, there was no Batman, no Flash, no Wonder Woman or any other DC character. It was all within Superman's pocket universe, therefor as far as a true superhero cinematic universe goes Marvel did it first and that is a fact! Pretty funny. I guess Batgirl and Robin being in the movies means DC was doing a shared universe as well. I just realized Tarzan and Jane were both characters in the same universe in the old Tarzan movies too! |
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Apr 3, 2018 7:33:22 GMT
DC Fan is the biggest block head I've ever come across on these boards, how stupid can he be? I've mention this before in the past that the Superman movies and Supergirl movie are a shared Superman universe NOT a DC universe I repeat NOT A TRUE DC cinematic universe. How stupid CAN you be? Why did you type the “can” in all caps? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 8:20:25 GMT
I don't think you know what a shared universe is. The only requirement for s shared cinematic universe is for 2 different franchises to be set in the same universe and share characters. For example, Godzilla and King, Freddy Kreuger and Jason Vorhees, Superman and Supergirl. Sorry' but no, it can't be both! It's either one or the other. I should know better then anyone when it comes to knowing the differences between a regular universe and a cinematic universe. Unlike you I've done my home work I checked to see which of the two it fell into and it fell into a regular universe. It's only a Superman universe not a DC cinematic Universe, same as X-Men regardless of the wolverine and Deadpool films. Its an X-Men Universe only but its not a Marvel cinematic universe. It has to connect with all of them in someway or it doesn't count as a full Marvel Cinematic universe and that is all there is to it! Go ahead look up the different types online I'll wait! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 8:57:48 GMT
It's only a Superman universe not a DC cinematic Universe, same as X-Men regardless of the wolverine and Deadpool films. Its an X-Men Universe only but its not a Marvel cinematic universe. 1st, like I said, the Superman/Supergirl movies are a shared cinematic universe just like the X-Men/Wolverine/Deadpool movies are also a shared cinematic universe. 2nd, also like I said, Superman and Supergirl are both DC characters so the Superman/Supergirl movies are both a shared Superman universe AND a shared DC universe. Those are facts which can't be disputed. Yes they can be disputed and I already have! I bet you didn't even bother to look online to find out did you? They will always be regular universes, the MCU did it first and the DCEU came in 2nd. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 9:52:09 GMT
Yes they can be disputed and I already have! I bet you didn't even bother to look online to find out did you? They will always be regular universes, the MCU did it first and the DCEU came in 2nd. Nope, it can't be disputed because it's a fact. MCU isn't 1st and DCEU isn't 2nd. Heck, MCU isn't even Marvel's first shared cinematic universe and DCEU isn't even DC's first shared cinematic universe. The 1st shared cinematic universe for superheroes was the Superman movies and Supergirl. Marvel's 1st shared cinematic universe for superheroes was Daredevil and Elektra. Those are facts that can't be disputed. Neither of them count that's not how a cinematic universe works, it has to be someone outside their own series coming in. I repeat OUTSIDE OF THEIR OWN SERIES, just because someone got a spin-off from another film does not make it an official Marvel Cinematic Universe, its only just a regular cinematic universe until others outside are brought in. No matter how many times we go over this you are wrong! If you just for once in your life do some research on this you'll see that I am right. But knowing you' you'll just keep us going in circles. |
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