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Post by politicidal on Apr 17, 2018 21:39:25 GMT
...and yes it will be intended as a reboot. Ugh.
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Post by James on Apr 17, 2018 23:32:08 GMT
...and yes it will be intended as a reboot. Ugh. Shit.
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Post by politicidal on Apr 17, 2018 23:39:46 GMT
...and yes it will be intended as a reboot. Ugh. Shit. If it's Blumhouse, maybe I'll be interested.
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Post by James on Apr 17, 2018 23:44:09 GMT
If it's Blumhouse, maybe I'll be interested. Yeah I might too. But then again, it isn't so much the company, but the people that direct/write the film that makes the movie any good. Still, I hope they can retrieve that perfect balance of comedy and darkness like in the original and actually use good effects, not that CG pile.
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Post by politicidal on Apr 17, 2018 23:48:04 GMT
If it's Blumhouse, maybe I'll be interested. Yeah I might too. But then again, it isn't so much the company, but the people that direct/write the film that makes the movie any good. Still, I hope they can retrieve that perfect balance of comedy and darkness like in the original and actually use good effects, not that CG pile. Like so many of these horror remakes, why not make a new original movie about a different monster for a change?
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Post by James on Apr 17, 2018 23:57:23 GMT
Yeah I might too. But then again, it isn't so much the company, but the people that direct/write the film that makes the movie any good. Still, I hope they can retrieve that perfect balance of comedy and darkness like in the original and actually use good effects, not that CG pile. Like so many of these horror remakes, why not make a new original movie about a different monster for a change? Exactly. I think people are so unoriginal nowadays is simply due to the fact that they look back in the past too much, and can't seem to make up stuff on their own. Thus, we are stuck with the same movie when they finally announce a new film in the franchise.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Apr 18, 2018 0:43:33 GMT
I dont think it is that they are stuck in the past, it is just that they do not respect storytelling traditions, so they regard art as a commodity--like a soft drink brand. They do not need the money so they do not care what the public wants.
The only way to have a healthy film business is for it to be dependent on profit for survival and catering to the interests of the public. At present it does not.
But this problem is something that has been building up for decades, since the Hollywood New Wave. That was the generation of filmmakers that came from college, not from the general public or the labor side of film business, and started the Liberal focus.
As the studios absorbed the smaller companies, diversity became less and less. Since they also control the news media, there is no independence.
So when a GET OUT comes out, despite the fact that black-directed horror movies go at least as far back as Blacula, we get this Soviet-style drumbeat about its importance.
The public has nothing to do with the creation of content anymore and I have never heard of art that does not have some regard for the public interest. Art that does not is advertising/propaganda/experimental.
There's really nothing stopping regional film, or a throwback to an AIP or Hammer or Amicus kind of deal, the problem is that the Hollywood elites have totally shut out most of the business channels and from what I read, Amazon and Netflix have also put the screws to the independents.
Very Soviet-like attitude. Western film is not a merit-based business anymore.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Apr 18, 2018 12:37:39 GMT
Yeah, I think that's all kind of exactly the opposite of the truth. Looking at it in some Alex Jones sort of grand conspiracy or somethong might be tempting, but saying that they don't need the money and are trying to shove liberal propaganda by remakinf Gremlins is nonsense, and even more nonsensical is saying they don't need the money. It's all about money. Every part of it. The real difference is that studios are built and run by business students now as opposed to movie lovers. The entire model is profit first and risk aversed. That's why you make Gremlins remake. It's the same reason why every other unoriginal movie is made. It's much easier to sell a movie to the public when they already know what it is. That way almost all of the work of marketing the brand awareness is done before you start. It also means they make money on the intellectual property they already own, and don't have to spend any money to develop new material. Streaming rentals and sales, blue ray sales, tv rights, merchandise, etc. for the old movies always go up when the remakes come out, and obviously they like the idea making money on both ends. When something like Get Out comes out, the news story may become that a black director making a black horror movie is groundbreaking, and to some degree it is whether it's been done before or not the runaway success is something new, but what the business take away should be is that small and original intellectual properties can have their space and strike a chord... Even when they're not made with sequels in mind. In some way Blumhouse is leading the charge in small and risky horror content, but there are every few others in that space, and even they do the predictable thing by making 87 sequels to their flagship property. Independent films are certainly alive and constant, but there aren't as many companies financing them so getting them made made is the real hurdle. Once it's in the can and you can get some eye balls on your movie the odds have never been better of getting it sold for some kind of distribution. But unless you're working for Jason Blum or making a 'faith based' Christina film, getting a wide theatrical release is probably harder than ever. And if you wanna talk about propaganda films, those Christian conservative movies are exploding and could not be more transparent. But they make money. And Netflix and Amazon have done nothing but prop up small independent movies. Those small films that would have completely disappeared otherwise are able to make something back due to those platforms. The issue is that there are just so damn many that each title gets lost in the shuffle. They haven't squashed independent films, but they've created a glut by being more inclusive. That also works for them and continues to bring in revenue partly because of that approach. And Netflix also, obviously plays on nostalgia too with their library, but also in making Stranger Things, which is of course so much about nostalgia for films like Gremlins, but is at least an original IP. It's not about being stuck in the past either. Not on the business end, at least. This is the current landscape. Take no risks, and maximize profit, artistry be damned. That's the reason everyone wants a Star Wars or Marvel style 'connected universe' because each movie effectively acts as a giant advertisement for the next one. It's an entirely capitalist approach.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Apr 18, 2018 13:28:34 GMT
Yeah, I think that's all kind of exactly the opposite of the truth. It's an entirely capitalist approach. No it isn't. Arthur Rank, the Christian white movie producer from England, discovered in 1930 that Hollywood had 80% control of UK cinemas thanks to their friends in the government. They implemented restrictions on content but Hollywood got around it with quota quickies. You can also research the history of SIMMP, which became United Artists. The big studios had a momentary advantage from the get go, they evaded Edision patents, they evaded UK protections. They evaded the block booking scandal. Both Rank and Disney were Christian and yet their content was not propagandized. It was the big studios that started introducing the "white man failure" message in the 50s and 60s. They phased out the Charlton Hestons and the Gregory Pecks and replaced them with beta types and minorities. As we have said a thousand times--Indiana Jones, the pedophile with daddy issues, or John McClane the bad husband and comic hero. Or Arnie the funny talking foreigner. Why has a faithful version of Dracula--where he is an evil foreigner destroyed by white men natives, not been done since Hammer's 1958 series? Because the management doesn't like that message--it is anti-Globalist. Why did Warner Bros. deliberately ruin George Pal's Doc Savage? Because it was about a heroic white guy alpha male. Superman was different--he was an alien and not created by white men. Warners didnt care if they lost money on Doc Savage-just as modern Disney deliberately marketed John Carter badly because it wanted it to perform badly. Whether it actually did-who knows-Hollywood accounting means deliberate and fraudulent manipulation of monetary data. Weinstein was considered a smaller independent studio and yet he had no problem blacklisting Mira Sorvino after building up her marquee name--and was able to get all the other studios to do the same. That makes no business sense. Obviously they are not a supply-demand business. It is not capitalism unless you are dumb enough to believe the public in Ohio and Indiana asked for the Kardashians. Blumhouse is just the degraded periphery of the big corporation tribe--just as the Asylum was. Their business is social control propaganda. This was also true in the 1960s, but it is like a frog in boiling water, they cannot increase the temperature right away--it builds over time. Hollywood is exactly as Truman Capote said about literature in 1968: "it has brought about the rise of what I call the Jewish Mafia in American letters. This is a clique of New York-oriented writers and critics who control much of the literary scene through the influence of the quarterlies and intellectual magazines. All these publications are Jewish-dominated and this particular coterie employs them to make or break writers by advancing or withholding attention.... I only object when one particular group--and it could just as well be Southern, or Roman Catholic, or Marxist, or vegetarian--gets a strangle hold on American criticism and squeezes out anybody who doesn't conform to its own standards.... Today, because of the predominance of the Jewish Mafia, they're not being given that opportunity. This is something everyone in the literary world knows but never writes about." As Brando and Oldman and others said, Hollywood is not run by White Christians. What goes for literature, goes for film.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Apr 18, 2018 13:40:06 GMT
Yeah, I think that's all kind of exactly the opposite of the truth. It's an entirely capitalist approach. No it isn't. I guess I asked for that. I didn't quite realize the depths of the Alex Jonesian babble I was going to be fed, but I appreciate you not actually responding to anything I said, therefore not dragging it down. But just because we had the production code and censorship in the days of the Hayes office doesn't mean that the 'Jewish mafia' is trying to castrate men and make women supreme leaders and perform mind control. Chem trails! Flath Earth!... And a Gremlins remake is about money. Not Jews trying to make men less masculine and a cloaked group of the Stonecutters singing 'We do!' while running the globalist government. I didn't know the Truman Capote hated Jews so much, so I learned something.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Apr 18, 2018 16:09:47 GMT
I didn't know the Truman Capote hated Jews so much, so I learned something. He didnt. Lovecraft said the same thing, and Mark Twain did as well 9although he wasn't referring to literature because Jews didnt control publishing in his day). When people wonder why Eli Roth, Michael Bay, or others of limited talent keep making films, this is why--they are in the Big Club as George Carlin called it. And this is why there are no more Walt Disneys or John Hustons or John Fords. They have been shut out of the business. 1968 Playboy interview with Truman Capote Playboy: For many years, American letters seemed dominated by Southern writers, but, as you have said, "during the last ten years the large percentage of the more talented American writers are urban Jewish intellectuals." How do you feel about this shift in ethnic, geographic and literary emphasis? Capote: Well, it has brought about the rise of what I call the Jewish Mafia in American letters. This is a clique of New York-oriented writers and critics who control much of the literary scene through the influence of the quarterlies and intellectual magazines. All these publications are Jewish-dominated and this particular coterie employs them to make or break writers by advancing or withholding attention. I don't think there's any conscious, sinister conspiracy on their part--just a determination to see that members of their particular clique rise to the top. Bernard Malamud and Saul Bellow and Philip Roth and Isaac Bashevis Singer and Norman Mailer are all fine writers, but they're not the only writers in the country, as the Jewish literary Mafia would have us believe. I could give you a list of excellent writers, such as John Knowles and Vance Bourjaily and James Purdy and Donald Windham and Reynolds Price and James Leo Herlihy and Calder Willingham and John Hawkes and William Goyen; the odds are you haven't heard of most of them, for the simple reason that the Jewish Mafia has systematically frozen them out of the literary scene. Now, mind you, I'm not against any particular group adhering to its own literary values and advancing its own favored authors; such cliques have always existed in American letters. I only object when one particular group--and it could just as well be Southern, or Roman Catholic, or Marxist, or vegetarian--gets a strangle hold on American criticism and squeezes out anybody who doesn't conform to its own standards. It's fine to write about specifically Jewish problems, and it often makes valid and exciting literature--but the people who have other messages to convey, other styles and other backgrounds should also be given a chance. Today, because of the predominance of the Jewish Mafia, they're not being given that opportunity. This is something everyone in the literary world knows but never writes about. Playboy: Aren't you opening yourself up to a charge of anti-Semitism? Capote: No, because anti-Semitism has nothing to do with it. As I've already indicated, I would be just as opposed to a clique of White Anglo-Saxon Protestant authors and critics exercising exclusive control over American letters and excluding talented Jewish writers. I'm against ghettoization from any source. And let me point out that this Jewish Mafia is based more on a state of mind than on race; gentile writers such as Dwight MacDonald who toe the line are made honorary members, while gifted Jewish writers are read out of the club for nonconformity. Irwin Shaw, for example, an excellent writer of Jewish origin, has been damaged by the Jewish Mafia, which has studiously ignored him, despite the fact that his early short stories are superior to any of the contemporary idols. Almost as many Jewish writers as gentiles have suffered at their hands. The ax falls, ecumenically, on the head of anybody, Jew or gentile, who doesn't share this group's parochial preoccupations. The regrettable aspect of all this is that there is so much room for diversity, plenty of space for everybody, if the Jewish Mafia could only accept that other people exist.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Apr 19, 2018 13:52:08 GMT
I didn't know the Truman Capote hated Jews so much, so I learned something. He didnt. Lovecraft said the same thing, and Mark Twain did as well 9although he wasn't referring to literature because Jews didnt control publishing in his day). When people wonder why Eli Roth, Michael Bay, or others of limited talent keep making films, this is why--they are in the Big Club as George Carlin called it. And this is why there are no more Walt Disneys or John Hustons or John Fords. They have been shut out of the business. Most of your infowars rhetoric regurgitation is not worth responding to, of course, in the same manner that you didn't respond to my points... but just because you or I don't like Michael Bay's shitty movies, or Eli Roth's, doesn't mean they don't make money and make them loyal studio employees, and it doesn't mean that people like John Lassetter wasn't able to succeed at Disney, or that a shit festival director like Tyler Perry wasn't able to become a mogul with his transparent Christian propoganda garbage. If it makes a lot of money it's undeniable. That's why a shitty movie like The Blind Side that caters to the other side can win an Oscar with a campaign from a major studio despite being terrible, a major studio makes an idiotic movie like The Shack, and Pureflix has made 3 terrible 'God's Not Dead' movies... And why the Kardashians and Duck Dynasty, both putrid mind numbingly horrendous shows, are massive successes on TV. And I think people who live in land locked areas and those who live by water are both susceptible to watching garbage TV. And you really don't wanna cite HP Lovecraft. He was an unabashed anti-semite, racist, and xenophobe, who liked Hitler, hated black people, feared immigrants, and channeled that into compelling fiction, but clearly was reflective of his terrible outlook. So anyway... A Gremlins remake... Somehow it's a Jewish conspiracy now. Someone should alert Joe Dante and Chris Columbus that they are secret Jews.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Apr 19, 2018 14:21:16 GMT
Most of your infowars rhetoric Never seen Info Wars, and you didnt refute the points raised. Wonder Woman was Israeli because of the tribal nepotism in Hollywood, and Lovecraft only repeated what Capote said (I noticed you danced right over that--must suck when someone like Capote makes the point so eloquently). But this will trigger you terribly too I am sure: Lovecraft: This is what I mean by Jewish control, & I’m damned if it doesn’t make me see red—in a city which was once a part of the real American fabric, & which still exerts a disproportionately large influence on that fabric through its psychologically impressive size & its dominance both in finance & in various opinion-forming channels (drama, publishing, criticism, &c.). Gawd knows I have no wish to injure any race under the sun, but I do think that something ought to be done to free American expression from the control of any element which seeks to curtail it, distort it, or remodel it in any direction other than its natural course. As a matter of fact, I don’t blame the Jews at all. Hell, what can we expect after letting them in & telling them they can do as they please? HG Wells: "The best the poor Gentile can expect is to play the part of a Gibeonite a hewer of wood and a drawer of water for the restored elect. It is upon that and the like matter that the children of the orthodox have been fed. It is undeniable. There are the books for everyone to read. It is not tolerance but stupidity to shut our eyes to their quality." How about some Roald Dahl too! "The Israeli military activity in Lebanon, he said, “was very much hushed up in the newspapers because they are primarily Jewish-owned … there aren’t any non-Jewish publishers anywhere.” Yeah, all those anti-semites complaining about media domination... Anyhoo we will let you go back to sleep. If you want to believe that Hollywood is run by a single group that is incredibly myopic that is up to you, but you are really off your rocker if you think the public demanded the Kardashians. It's like saying people in the Mid West love the Clintons.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Apr 19, 2018 14:50:30 GMT
Never seen Info Wars, and you didnt refute the points raised. Wonder Woman was Israeli because of the tribal nepotism in Hollywood, and Lovecraft only repeated what Capote said (I noticed you danced right over that--must suck when someone like Capote makes the point so eloquently). But this will trigger you terribly too I am sure: Lovecraft: This is what I mean by Jewish control, & I’m damned if it doesn’t make me see red—in a city which was once a part of the real American fabric, & which still exerts a disproportionately large influence on that fabric through its psychologically impressive size & its dominance both in finance & in various opinion-forming channels (drama, publishing, criticism, &c.). Gawd knows I have no wish to injure any race under the sun, but I do think that something ought to be done to free American expression from the control of any element which seeks to curtail it, distort it, or remodel it in any direction other than its natural course. As a matter of fact, I don’t blame the Jews at all. Hell, what can we expect after letting them in & telling them they can do as they please? HG Wells: "The best the poor Gentile can expect is to play the part of a Gibeonite a hewer of wood and a drawer of water for the restored elect. It is upon that and the like matter that the children of the orthodox have been fed. It is undeniable. There are the books for everyone to read. It is not tolerance but stupidity to shut our eyes to their quality." How about some Roald Dahl too! "The Israeli military activity in Lebanon, he said, “was very much hushed up in the newspapers because they are primarily Jewish-owned … there aren’t any non-Jewish publishers anywhere.” Yeah, all those anti-semites complaining about media domination... Anyhoo we will let you go back to sleep. If you want to believe that Hollywood is run by a single group that is incredibly myopic that is up to you, but you are really off your rocker if you think the public demanded the Kardashians. It's like saying people in the Mid West love the Clintons. Well.. You danced over everything. If it doesn't support your conspiracy theory it's not worth talking about. Michael Bay couldn't possibly be successful even though he made shitty movies. Wonder Woman couldn't possibly have been cast because she was hot or because she had combat training (even though she was cast by a Christian Scientist) It has to be zionism! This is the problem with conspiracy nuts like you (among others), you take a kernel of truth and extrapolate it to fit your confirmation bias. The Kardashians are garbage, but why does that make them a Jewish conspiracy? No actual reason whatsoever. Just some random bullshit you wanna spout. Nobody demanded them or any bullshit reality show, but what does that have to do with anything? Nothing at all obviously. I don't remember anybody in the tristate area asking for Duck Dynasty either, but when they blew up my mind didn't immediately go to Kirk Cameron trying to control the world. If somehow not thinking the Kardashians are an Israeli conspiracy despite having absolutely no connection to such a thought means I think the public demanded it, then I can't follow the logic, but I must believe that?? You can quote authors, and again there's a kernel of truth to some of that, but why the fuck would you keep using Lovecraft? He also said the he liked Hitler, called his vision 'romantic,' called black people sub human, said that lynchings were justifiable to avoid mingling of black and white races, railed against New York City Jews by calling them mongoloids and describing how he wanted to punch everyone of them in the face, and touted his Aryan race as superior and feared outsiders and alien cultures having a space in the US. Not really a sound person to cite if you want to avoid devolving into flat bigotry and hate speech. There are Jews in media, amazing revelation. But you're wilfully ignorant in pretending there are no non jews in media. No owners or studios, or producers or directors are non-Jews in your purview, which is flatly absurd, especially considering the movie at hand here which was a fucking Christmas movie written by a non Jew and directed by another... But Spielberg produced, and is Jewish!!
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Apr 19, 2018 17:55:18 GMT
The Kardashians are garbage, but why does that make them a Jewish conspiracy? The original point was that Hollywood has no desire for originality, that there is something amiss with content. So why is this? Well, the short answer is that giant corporations do not need the money, so they make what pleases them, not audiences, and they do not care because they can subsidize movies until doomsday. But that alone doesn't explain it since we are talking about art, not soda pop. The fact is that every single Hollywood media company is owned by people of one heritage (there is some debate about FOX but their content always matched the same philosophical trends--FOX was allegedly conservative with Murdoch and yet they made very Liberal entertainment). Even a company like Sony--check the CEO in charge of the production decisions. The idea that a christian scientist selected an Israeli for Wonder Woman makes me laugh. It's like a non white being picked for a white woman role in the last Thor movie because she happened to give the best audition. This evades the obvious--why was a non white auditioning for a white role? lol It's tribal nepotism. If you want to believe that the problems with Hollywood's lack of originality has absolutely nothing to do with the people in charge making decisions, then by all means, you keep to that illusion, but if Marlon Brando or Rachel Weicz or Gary Oldman say "Jews run Hollywood" then I am going to take their opinions seriously. At this point the only way to bring back more interesting film is to open up the process regionally, and allow merit and audience desire to play a role again. Get filmmakers from the heritage of their audience like the old days--and allow them creative control. Because the big companies are never going to come back to their senses. They won't suddenly go--hey, maybe we have taken this diversity too far-maybe we should dial down the multiculturalism and make some works that cater to Europeans too. They dont need the money and have no intention of changing because for them film is a means of distributing social control messages, they do not have any affection for art or literary history. BTW Lovecraft and Capote didnt criticize that there were Jewish owners of media, just that they filtered out diverse voices. Lovecraft had no problem with the literary output that he considered alien, he just didnt like that it was squeezing out traditional voices. There should be room for both, but unfortunately those with the money and power think differently. Most film historians will agree that the best time for British film was 1950-1970, but then the bottom fell out and the industry died. Why? Did it happen to coincide with Hollywood and the blockbuster? Which also killed off the smaller companies like Hammer, or AIP in the US? Just as with the Kardashians, I am really skeptical that the public in the late 70s wanted less film content options. They werent given the choice.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Apr 19, 2018 19:30:42 GMT
The original point was that Hollywood has no desire for originality, that there is something amiss with content. So why is this? Well, the short answer is that giant corporations do not need the money, so they make what pleases them, not audiences, and they do not care because they can subsidize movies until doomsday. This was the original question, but your short answer is utter nonsense in every conceivable way. They make movies to make money. Remaking movies, launching franchises, making properties with merchandise potential and cross media and vertically integrated marketing ability is the best way to maximize profits and minimize risk. Murdoch owned Fox, which was created by Zanuck, and at least the last two studio heads are not Jewish. And they made many of their biggest profits on an Aryan Austrian strong man who represented military might and sheer masculinity, who was also the biggest movie star in Hollywood for about 20 years. They took chances by launching their tv network with things like Married with Children and The Simpsons. Not sure how those two things are brainwashing people into being Jews, but they certainly were not the status quo, and yet proved wildly popular. Murdoch championed those shows because he believed they'd make money. Laugh if you like, but a Christian Scientist cast wonder woman. As well as Superman and Batman, neither of whom are Jewish. And I may roll my eyes at black or otherwise ethnic actors playing character who were white in comics, but that's a new trend that is good PR for the studios and a way to attract wiser audiences. It's transparent pandering to make more money. The squashing of smaller movies at the behest of studios is all to do with money. Somebody makes a small movie that makes a good profit and they are immediately snatched up to make bigger and bigger things and eventually a giant superhero movie. James Wan, who is Christian and Asian, and has created a cottage industry, is a prime and typical example. "Because the big companies are never going to come back to their senses. They won't suddenly go--hey, maybe we have taken this diversity too far-maybe we should dial down the multiculturalism and make some works that cater to Europeans too. They dont need the money and have no intention of changing because for them film is a means of distributing social control messages, they do not have any affection for art or literary history. " Except toning down the multiculturalism is not going to be more profitable. In fact it's exactly the opposite. The new thing they are doing with these big movies is constantly pandering to the Chinese and otherwise Asian market. They did it with Transformers, they did it with the Fast and the Furious movies, they did it with upcoming The Meg, and they added a scene in The Martian that was not in the book, with the Chinese government saving the day, just to attract viewership in China, and it has worked like a fucking charm. If you wanna somehow twist that into some Zionist social mind control conspiracy, by all means do those mental gymnastics, but that is a superficial cash grab to bring in the newest wide box office audience. We can agree that they don't care about at at the major studio level, but the real reason is because they want to make money. They'll be happy to prop up ideas they don't like if they think it will bring them a big enough return on investment. You may be right on Capote, but you're definitely wrong on Lovecraft. He was a hateful bigot who was afraid of outsiders and non-Aryans and felt all others were inferior. Also the idea that there are no low level filmmakers making their films for their audiences, or TV for that matter, is jud t 100% false. The big studios (run by those dirty Jews!) are making essentially only movies for 100 million dollars or more. Everything else is small by comparison, and there have never been more options or more total films. That's why you can see a piece of shit like Christian Mingle The Movie alongside snobby European lesbian wannabe art film like Blue is the Warmest Color on Netflix. Or Kirk Cameron's Saving Christmas alongside some other whatever token indie liberal movie you wanna pick on Amazon prime. Or the glut of shitty reality shows that depict trash from whatever major city you want to criticize, along with the glut of shitty reality shows of good Christians or redness trash from the country. There's more of everything now provided it doesn't cost too much. And the white Christians in America have essentially an entire music industry of their own, with 87 awards shows for them. And the studios are indeed starting to try to glob on to the 'Faith based' movies that have made big profits on small budgets of late. This is another recent trend. Hard to imagine how that's a Jewish conspiracy. When Gary Oldman or Mel Gibson says the Jews run Hollywood you listen, because that's what you want to hear. And there's some truth to it. But when others say that money runs Hollywood, and that massive blockbusters are squashing out smaller films in favor of just making as much money as possible no matter what, you don't listen, because that's not what you want to hear, even though that discussion occurs aaaalll the time. The 70s did indeed give rise to the blockbuster film, especially once the expensive auteur film was largely killed by Heaven's Gate, but you're wrong that the audience isn't part of the equation. Everyone went to see Jaws, and then everyone went to see Star Wars. And then everyone went to see Superman, and then everyone went to see E.T. And so on. If those movies weren't massively successful then they wouldn't have kept making movies like that. Everyone copies what works. That's how these trends start. Yes, some smaller movies certainly can do well, but the mega hits were coming from making big movies that seemed to appeal to everyone. They are made to get everyone into the theater. That's why you put a black guy and a woman as headliners in the new Star Wars, because you have nerdy white middle aged guys and their kids in the bag already, so you look to put the share of the audience that may not come front and center. It's all business. No massive corporation will ever take the attitude that they do not need the money, ever. I don't disagree that some audiences would go for more intelligent and varied films if given the choice. We see it online and certainly more so on television/steaming now. But conflating blockbusters with only being for Jews is bizarre, and conflating the Kardashians with jews is even stranger. The fact of the matter is that what makes money cannot be denied. I hate the Kardashians, and have no interest in ever watching them, but I'm not stupid enough to deny that they have their audience. They couldn't possibly still be around or have grown if they didn't. Just as the Diggers, or Honey Boo Boo, or Jersey Shore, or Duck Dynasty or whatever bullshit reality shows you wanna use as an example (Not that I can think of have much of anything to do with Jews). I hate them all. I hate Tyler Perry's movies (actually they can be fun in a MST3K way sometimes), but his success is undeniable, and as far as I can tell is not part of a grand Jewish conspiracy. All of this is noise that surrounds a topic that you careened off the rails by bringing up Jews trying brainwashing the world... The Gremlins remake. It's a popular title, it's a Christmas movie, it was written by somebody who is a Christian and has made massively successful films, and was directed by someone who is not Jewish and has made a nice career making B horror comedies... And... It's a Christmas movie. It's being remade, as are many other titles. Because a remake means there's already an audience built in, they already own the rights, the risk is low, they'll make money on the original, and more than anything else, it's an easy way to make more money. It's money above all else.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Apr 19, 2018 22:38:35 GMT
They make movies to make money. Remaking movies, launching franchises, making properties with merchandise potential and cross media and vertically integrated marketing ability is the best way to maximize profits and minimize risk. Murdoch owned Fox, which was created by Zanuck, and at least the last two studio heads are not Jewish. And they made many of their biggest profits on an Aryan Austrian strong man who represented military might and sheer masculinity, who was also the biggest movie star in Hollywood for about 20 years. You may be right on Capote, but you're definitely wrong on Lovecraft. He was a hateful bigot who was afraid of outsiders and non-Aryans and felt all others were inferior. I dont want to publicly embarrass you more than you have done so already, but you are aware Lovecraft married a Jewish woman right? As for Zanuck--its interesting--20th Century Pictures made THE HOUSE OF ROTHSCHILD. WHY would gentiles in Hollywood make a film about Jewish bankers? Especially in the middle of the Depression? It boggles. But regardless of the ownership, FOX and all the studios went on a "white man failure" theme through out the 60s and into the 70s. Then they replaced the Charlton Hestons and the Stephen Boyds and the Gregory Pecks with bad husbands, bad fathers, neurotics.. Arnie is a caricature--he is a funny talking foreigner (heard he had to take voice lessons to keep his accent). Hollywood became less interested in the standard alpha male lead--which was why so many went to Europe--Lex Barker, Stewart Granger, etc. Could Hollywood have made a Leone film like For a Few Dollars More? No way. Not with the story of two normal white guys going after a mexican thief-rapist. Lovecraft was indeed right when he said: As for New York—there is no question but that its overwhelming Semitism has totally removed it from the American stream. Regarding its influence on literary & dramatic expression—it is not so much that the country is flooded directly with Jewish authors, as that Jewish publishers determine just which of our Aryan writers shall achieve print & position. That means that those of us who least express our own people have the preference. Taste is insidiously moulded along non-Aryan lines—so that, no matter how intrinsically good the resulting body of literature may be, it is a special, rootless literature which does not represent us. The feelings & ideals presented are not our feelings & ideals—so that today our newest authors are as exotic to us as the French symbolists or Japanese hokku-writers. This, of course, applies to literature as a whole. Naturally, a good deal of representative stuff manages to get published. It is not difficult to point out what is meant by this insidious exoticism. What is happening is that books are preferred when they reflect an emotional attitude toward life which is profoundly foreign to the race as a whole. The preferred writers are detailedly interested in things which do not interest us, & are callous to the real impulses & aspirations which move us most. Anderson & Faulkner, delving in certain restricted strata, seldom touch on any chord to which the reader personally responds. We recognise their art, but admire them at a distance—as we admire Turgeniev & Baudelaire. Whether our own representative authors do as well in their art as their foreign-influenced types is beside the question. If they do not—as is entirely possible—then the thing to do is to stimulate better & freer expression among them; not to turn away from them & encourage expression in exotic fields. This can be done without injustice to the admitted intrinsic excellence of the exotics & decadents. >from a letter written July 30, 1933 BTW The Limehouse Golem is an example of this "insidious exoticism." There are many examples--look for a story where the central white male figure is neurotic, weak, dies, some kind of failure outcome in the theme. As I have said before, if Hollywood was really about money, then Weinstein could not possibly afford to blacklist Mira Sorvino and convince the other big studios to do likewise (Peter Jackson confirmed the boycott). What other business operates like that? This is why there is a term "Hollywood accounting." It means cooking the books. Hollywood does a lot of it. And if you pay attention to movie news, they said things like 2017 was the worst summer box office since 1992, and yet is there a panic? Nope-because they can subsidize the business until eternity. There are lots of articles on this, even without the Weinstein example exposing the fraud. It is true that Monogram, Republic, RKO, AIP, and Walt Disney Studios operated on a profit system--they are small players compared to the big boys...but the others always had an endless flow of cash.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Apr 20, 2018 13:57:08 GMT
I dont want to publicly embarrass you more than you have done so already, but you are aware Lovecraft married a Jewish woman right? As for Zanuck--its interesting--20th Century Pictures made THE HOUSE OF ROTHSCHILD. WHY would gentiles in Hollywood make a film about Jewish bankers? Especially in the middle of the Depression? It boggles. But regardless of the ownership, FOX and all the studios went on a "white man failure" theme through out the 60s and into the 70s. Then they replaced the Charlton Hestons and the Stephen Boyds and the Gregory Pecks with bad husbands, bad fathers, neurotics.. Arnie is a caricature--he is a funny talking foreigner (heard he had to take voice lessons to keep his accent). Hollywood became less interested in the standard alpha male lead--which was why so many went to Europe--Lex Barker, Stewart Granger, etc. Could Hollywood have made a Leone film like For a Few Dollars More? No way. Not with the story of two normal white guys going after a mexican thief-rapist. Lovecraft was indeed right when he said: As for New York—there is no question but that its overwhelming Semitism has totally removed it from the American stream. Regarding its influence on literary & dramatic expression—it is not so much that the country is flooded directly with Jewish authors, as that Jewish publishers determine just which of our Aryan writers shall achieve print & position. That means that those of us who least express our own people have the preference. Taste is insidiously moulded along non-Aryan lines—so that, no matter how intrinsically good the resulting body of literature may be, it is a special, rootless literature which does not represent us. The feelings & ideals presented are not our feelings & ideals—so that today our newest authors are as exotic to us as the French symbolists or Japanese hokku-writers. This, of course, applies to literature as a whole. Naturally, a good deal of representative stuff manages to get published. It is not difficult to point out what is meant by this insidious exoticism. What is happening is that books are preferred when they reflect an emotional attitude toward life which is profoundly foreign to the race as a whole. The preferred writers are detailedly interested in things which do not interest us, & are callous to the real impulses & aspirations which move us most. Anderson & Faulkner, delving in certain restricted strata, seldom touch on any chord to which the reader personally responds. We recognise their art, but admire them at a distance—as we admire Turgeniev & Baudelaire. Whether our own representative authors do as well in their art as their foreign-influenced types is beside the question. If they do not—as is entirely possible—then the thing to do is to stimulate better & freer expression among them; not to turn away from them & encourage expression in exotic fields. This can be done without injustice to the admitted intrinsic excellence of the exotics & decadents. >from a letter written July 30, 1933 BTW The Limehouse Golem is an example of this "insidious exoticism." There are many examples--look for a story where the central white male figure is neurotic, weak, dies, some kind of failure outcome in the theme. As I have said before, if Hollywood was really about money, then Weinstein could not possibly afford to blacklist Mira Sorvino and convince the other big studios to do likewise (Peter Jackson confirmed the boycott). What other business operates like that? This is why there is a term "Hollywood accounting." It means cooking the books. Hollywood does a lot of it. And if you pay attention to movie news, they said things like 2017 was the worst summer box office since 1992, and yet is there a panic? Nope-because they can subsidize the business until eternity. There are lots of articles on this, even without the Weinstein example exposing the fraud. It is true that Monogram, Republic, RKO, AIP, and Walt Disney Studios operated on a profit system--they are small players compared to the big boys...but the others always had an endless flow of cash. Keep publicly embarrassing yourself if you must, but you do know that Lovecraft was indeed a bigot and a racist despite that, would often rail against Jews in her presence as mongrels and immigrants (which she was as well) for diluting the Aryan and 'chalk white' population, and that their marriage lasted only roughly 2 years in earnest and they hadn't been living together for about a decade by the time he was extolling the virtues of Hitler and the Nazis. He seemed to ignore it in her, because racists and bigots are not reasonable or rational people, and he like many hateful bastards, was a massive hypocrite. You can keep trying, but you can't successfully deny that Lovecraft was a racist and a bigot. He made it very clearly, unsubtly in his fiction, and plainly in his nonfiction. And why would a studio make a movie about Jews, at a time when Jews were a growing audience in the US? Hm.. It boggles the mind. Maybe they thought they could appeal to an audience and make money? Maybe they, unlike you, weren't as fearful of other cultures and races and might want to appeal to a growing audience population that was fleeing Europe because they would rather not be murdered en masse? Right, I forgot you don't believe companies want to make money... I wonder if now you're going to tell me they weren't actually escaping anything in Europe either. The films of the 60s started to shift with the wider culture, but if anything the film industry was behind the times. The world in the 60s was largely about failure, and the films of the day started to reflect that. Many filmmakers became less interested in the standard of everything, including the standard male, standard female, standard plots, standard exposition, standard composition, standard mise en scene, standard color palette, standard acting style, etc. You can revel in the freedom of the Italians for make the Dollars movies, but the change in the tide of American film at the time was largely European influence coming from Italy, and France and was about expanding the boundaries beyond just the typical old fashioned Hollywood film. But you're being fucking stupid about this too. Nothing actually happened to the alpha male character, nor the actors who embodied them. There were just other types of movies being made as well. Charlton Heston and John Wayne didn't stop working all of a sudden. They had some of their biggest hits in the 60s and John Wayne, against all reason, won an Oscar in the 60s. And the time also gave rise to the likes of Clint Eastwood and Charles Bronson and Steve McQueen and Sean Connery. And the alpha male was never more alive on television. And wasn't United Artists nothing but a zionist conspiracy in your nonsensical ramblings? They released The Greatest Story Ever Told in the 60s. Maybe Jesus wasn't 'alpha male' enough for you, but hard to imagine even you trying to explain how the story of Jesus was Jewish propaganda. Maybe the Jews who ran the company wanted to, I don't know, make money off of the film, like others had on biblical epics throughout the 50s and 60s? Hmm... Making money: what a concept for a business. You're reeeeeallly grasping at straws with the Schwarzenegger argument. That's possibly the dumbest, straw graspingest argument I've ever tried to see someone make in any context. He wasn't a leading hero? The 80s didn't see a glut of muscle bound, macho man action movies? At this point, I kind of have to assume you're joking. Funny to mention a neurotic, weak, failure under HP Lovecraft... Your Weinstein argument is yet another extremely stupid, poorly thought out, and flatly incorrect one. Weinstein was a powerhouse in Hollywood, possibly above any other. Mira Sorvino was just another piece of ass to him. A dime a dozen. He could blackball her because he could afford to. It wasn't because she wasn't jewish. It was because of his personal issue with her. He harassed her, she spurned his advances. It's the classic cliche. He could make or break her because he had all the power, and if he decided to tell people not to hire her, she wouldn't find work. And it's not like she was a super mega star. She wasn't opening big movies on her name. Nobody would argue otherwise. Cooking the books, and Hollywood accounting is about the studios controlling the mean of production and the means of distribution. They can charge themselves nothing for distribution costs and claim a major hit film as a loss as a way to cheat the creators out of money that they owe them. That's what that means. It doesn't mean just magically manufacturing money out of absolutely nowhere. That's not how anything works. And there is plenty of panic among the people who don't want to make superhero movies or giant robot movies. There's constant talk about the death of the middle budget film and how only the smallest the the biggest budgeted movies have a real shot to get made anymore. And even those that are making those big movies are absolutely panicking. WB is freaking out. They thought they had a plan to copy Marvel and it blew up in their faces because they made bad business decisions. They made a movie about two alpha males fighting each other and assumed it would be a hit and it fucking sucked and didn't make enough money, and the follow up was a mishandled disaster. Now they are in panic mode. Universal announced their big Dark Universe plans. They were rushing films into production, they signed a bunch of major stars, they hired writers and directors to over see multiple films, and then they made the first one and nobody went to see it. Not in America at least. So they are in free fall mode. They've effectively scrapped the whole thing, fired the producers, shut down the offices, cancelled or postponed their future plans, dissolved contracts, etc. Why? Because they didn't make the money that they expected. The box office is bad not because studios aren't making money, it's because only the major studios are making money, and they are only making money off of a handful of titles. But those select blockbuster movies are breaking and setting new financial records all of the time. A There are a lot of articles about this. You may have misread them. Disney is not among the big boys? They own the two biggest properties and have an endless flow of cash because their properties make money. Are you not aware that Star Wars and Marvel are massively profitable?
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Apr 20, 2018 15:02:37 GMT
and that their marriage lasted only roughly 2 years in earnest a And why would a studio make a movie about Jews, at a time when Jews were a growing audience in the US? The films of the 60s started to shift with the wider culture, but if anything the film industry was behind the times. The world in the 60s was largely about failure, and the films of the day started to reflect that. Nothing actually happened to the alpha male character, nor the actors who embodied them. The 80s didn't see a glut of muscle bound, macho man action movies? At this point, I kind of have to assume you're joking. You really are the master of all goons because there is a definite lack of brain matter upstairs for you--but I dont mind humoring you. ONLY 2 years? haha Why would a major studio cater to 2-8% of the population? If the culture of the 60s was about failure-then why did successful film studios like Disney (under its owner) and Hammer still make films about success? Why did Leone do it? And Europeans? If the alpha male in the Heston or Granger or Peck or Price or James Garner mold still exist, then why did Michael Caine comment that younger leading men he was working with today keep getting shorter? Arnie, Stallone, even the hold overs from the older age like Chuck Norris or Charles Bronson who mostly worked for Cannon (not even a North American company). If you want to go into the lower budget realm then yes you still had someone like Dolph Lundgren but he was not working for any majors. And you totally avoided the Sorvino case--why did the other studios agree to blacklist her? Its obvious making money off her marquee name didnt matter as much as respecting Weinstein's tribal request. Disney is now a massive corporation not controlled by people of Western European ancestry. Under its original owner it was quite small by comparison.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Apr 20, 2018 15:44:09 GMT
You really are the master of all goons because there is a definite lack of brain matter upstairs for you--but I dont mind humoring you. ONLY 2 years? haha Why would a major studio cater to 2-8% of the population? If the culture of the 60s was about failure-then why did successful film studios like Disney (under its owner) and Hammer still make films about success? Why did Leone do it? And Europeans? If the alpha male in the Heston or Granger or Peck or Price or James Garner mold still exist, then why did Michael Caine comment that younger leading men he was working with today keep getting shorter? Arnie, Stallone, even the hold overs from the older age like Chuck Norris or Charles Bronson who mostly worked for Cannon (not even a North American company). If you want to go into the lower budget realm then yes you still had someone like Dolph Lundgren but he was not working for any majors. And you totally avoided the Sorvino case--why did the other studios agree to blacklist her? Its obvious making money off her marquee name didnt matter as much as respecting Weinstein's tribal request. Disney is now a massive corporation not controlled by people of Western European ancestry. Under its original owner it was quite small by comparison. You really are willfully blind hateful asshole. Or just a god damn moron. Hard to tell at this point. But you are clearly just ignoring line by line, point by point, anything that doesn't support you confirmation bias and narrow view. Yes. Only 2 years. After 2 years of marriage they no longer lived together. It's not like it's a secret. This, plus his decidedly non-alpha demeanor gave rise to the speculation that he was a homosexual. And why make a film for a small population that was growing as immigrants were fleeing their murder (again, it's starting to seem like you'll deny that was real)...? Why try to go after a growing market share? Why follow basic business tactics? Why did people still make films about success? Because the film industry was not a monolith? People began making all sorts of films. They also made films about success in major studios in the states. Seriously, at this point I don't know what to make of your idiocy. Is it willful ignorance or just a ridiculously low level of reading comprehension to go along with your extraordinary lack of actual film historical knowledge? Michael Caine said that he's worked with shorter actors and that's your example of the idea that no alpha males exist in Hollywood at all? You're points are almost inconceivably stupid. There are tall actors and short ones in hollywood. There are alpha, strong leading men, neurotic and comedic types. The scope has broadened. Denying that the male action lead exists is just wrong, it's not a matter of opinion. And maybe you just actually can't read, but I didn't avoid the Sorvino case at all. Unlike you, who avoids any point that you can't not so creatively warp and twist to meet your idiotic view point, I actually did address it. And, yet again, of course you're wrong. You could just scroll up and actually read something, or I can reiterate for you. Mira Sorvino was, in no way, a marquee name. Nobody other than you would argue as such. She was, at best, a rising star. She definitely was not a superstar who could open a movie on her name. Nobody other than you would argue otherwise. Weinstein blackballed her by not hiring her, and then badmouthing her to other producers and filmmakers. Do you remember how you cited Peter Jackson? Did you actually read what he said? He harmed her career and killed her credibility to keep her from being powerful or influential enough to harm his career by outing him. Yes, he conspired to hurt her career, to preserve his own. That has nothing to do with zionsim, Israel, the illuminati, the stonecutters, a flat earth, or anything other than his own selfish power hungry egomania. Yes, Disney is now a massive corporation. They started out smaller. Then what happened? They had more and more success, made more and more money, and now they are the biggest studio in history. Because they did, and now continue to, make money. All of your stupidity and denial of basic facts have, again sidetracked your original ridiculous point that is actually what the thread was about: That according to you a remake of a financially successful movie, taking place at Christmas, written by a practicing Catholic and made by a director of no Jewish background, is somehow a plot to lose money and control people's minds to favor Judaism. It's nonsense and it stupid on every level.
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