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Post by charzhino on May 4, 2018 20:57:37 GMT
She defeated Apocalypse who is just as strong if not stronger than Thanos in the movies. But is he, though? Considering he was comfortably beating the Xmen in the real world and crushing Charles on the astral plane at the same time I would say hes atleast on Thanos' difficulty level to subdue without a full gaunlet. I cant see the same Avengers that battled Thanos on Titan doing too much damage to Apocalypse.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 4, 2018 22:11:54 GMT
I'd take them over the DoFP X-men any day. They went down faster than a prostitute in an elevator on the top floor. to suggest that Magneto wouldnt be able to handle an Ultron army on his own - laughable. Who's the idiot that says Magneto can't handle an Ultron army? Ultron is made of metal. Magneto controls metal. Ultron has no chance against Magneto. It's as dumb as the idiots who say that Iron Man would beat Cyborg. Iron Man's suit is a computer. Cyborg can hack into any computer. So Iron Man has no chance against Cyborg.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 4, 2018 22:21:02 GMT
tell him to calm down and accept others subjective opinion He needs to learn that these are just movies and there is no reason to get so aggressive over them. Tell that to MCU fans. MCU fans constantly get aggressive over a bunch of shitty movies.
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Post by scabab on May 4, 2018 22:23:07 GMT
do truly feel avengers fans are embarrassed about avengers. you call it better, we call it factually dumbed down for kids and poor story telling What is this? What's all this complete tripe that's taken over the thread? This has nothing to do with anything. The OP asked a hypothetical question about if X-men fought Thanos and you've gone on some rant, which is just as childish as the thing you're putting the MCU movies down for in the first place. This has nothing at all do with the quality of the movies or what James Cameron thinks....he asked if the X-men could stop Thanos. Stop the pointless waffling. I'd delete it all but it's the majority of the thread. You can make another thread to voice your opinion on all this, don't derail this one.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 4, 2018 23:31:44 GMT
Considering he was comfortably beating the Xmen in the real world and crushing Charles on the astral plane at the same time I would say hes atleast on Thanos' difficulty level to subdue without a full gaunlet. I cant see the same Avengers that battled Thanos on Titan doing too much damage to Apocalypse. You mean a bunch of untrained kids? These aren't seasoned vets that has gone up against worthy foes. They haven't gone up against any villain yet. The 2 that has were as useless as a screen door on a battleship. The movie X-men has never shown a real ability to fight. All they do is dodge and "Uh'm shootin' muh lazurs!!" The X-men has never shown a bit of strategy. They've never pulled off a complex plan like the Avengers and Guardians did on Titan. They would have just stood there and blast Thanos for a couple minutes. Even in X3, it came down to throw Wolverine as a distraction...
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Post by ThatGuy on May 4, 2018 23:37:03 GMT
to suggest that Magneto wouldnt be able to handle an Ultron army on his own - laughable. Who's the idiot that says Magneto can't handle an Ultron army? Ultron is made of metal. Magneto controls metal. Ultron has no chance against Magneto. It's as dumb as the idiots who say that Iron Man would beat Cyborg. Iron Man's suit is a computer. Cyborg can hack into any computer. So Iron Man has no chance against Cyborg. The Magneto that would go up against Ultron/Thanos would be the one from the future portion of DoFP. It will not be the one from Apocalypse. That one is in 1983. Can you actually see the one in the future, that died from debris, beating Ultron and his army? He'd get overrun. Also, Magneto can't stop repulsors. Also, Cyborg can't even control himself. How can he manage to hack into Tony's suit? Another thing, Cyborg can't just wifi his way into Tony's suit. He'd have to jack in like he did with Batman's spider tank.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 4, 2018 23:59:15 GMT
Who's the idiot that says Magneto can't handle an Ultron army? Ultron is made of metal. Magneto controls metal. Ultron has no chance against Magneto. It's as dumb as the idiots who say that Iron Man would beat Cyborg. Iron Man's suit is a computer. Cyborg can hack into any computer. So Iron Man has no chance against Cyborg. Cyborg can't just wifi his way into Tony's suit. He'd have to jack in like he did with Batman's spider tank. No, Cyborg doesn't need to jack into a computer to hijack it. Cyborg hacked into the Batcave computer and told Diana where to meet him, but Cyborg was nowhere near the Batcave.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 5, 2018 2:04:38 GMT
Cyborg can't just wifi his way into Tony's suit. He'd have to jack in like he did with Batman's spider tank. No, Cyborg doesn't need to jack into a computer to hijack it. Cyborg hacked into the Batcave computer and told Diana where to meet him, but Cyborg was nowhere near the Batcave. Sending a text is different from actually doing something to the computer.
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Post by dazz on May 5, 2018 2:39:24 GMT
to suggest that Magneto wouldnt be able to handle an Ultron army on his own - laughable. Who's the idiot that says Magneto can't handle an Ultron army? Ultron is made of metal. Magneto controls metal. Ultron has no chance against Magneto. It's as dumb as the idiots who say that Iron Man would beat Cyborg. Iron Man's suit is a computer. Cyborg can hack into any computer. So Iron Man has no chance against Cyborg. Magneto doesn't control metal genius, he controls magnetism, if an Ultron army were made of a non ferrous metal then Magneto would be unable to control them, as such Magneto would be useless against the main Ultron at the end of AOU which is made of vibranium which is not a ferrous metal, same goes for Vision.
As for Cyborg all Tony would need to do is turn off his suits open network, it would render him without the aid of his other gadgets and such but if he closed off his suits it would prevent Cyborg from taking control, Cyborg would have to physically jack into the suit, and Cyborg is no more a threat in doing this than Ultron was, and we saw Tony was more than up to taking on Ultron.
As for Cyborg Vs. Iron Man depends on what they have at the ready, I mean Tony could probably destroy Cyborgs body with his energy blast's similar to what he did to Bucky's old arm, but Cyborg could also cut Tony out of the suit, it's a toss up either could win quite easily given the right scenario.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on May 5, 2018 3:03:45 GMT
Who's the idiot that says Magneto can't handle an Ultron army? Ultron is made of metal. Magneto controls metal. Ultron has no chance against Magneto. It's as dumb as the idiots who say that Iron Man would beat Cyborg. Iron Man's suit is a computer. Cyborg can hack into any computer. So Iron Man has no chance against Cyborg. Magneto doesn't control metal genius, he controls magnetism, if an Ultron army were made of a non ferrous metal then Magneto would be unable to control them, as such Magneto would be useless against the main Ultron at the end of AOU which is made of vibranium which is not a ferrous metal, same goes for Vision.
As for Cyborg all Tony would need to do is turn off his suits open network, it would render him without the aid of his other gadgets and such but if he closed off his suits it would prevent Cyborg from taking control, Cyborg would have to physically jack into the suit, and Cyborg is no more a threat in doing this than Ultron was, and we saw Tony was more than up to taking on Ultron.
As for Cyborg Vs. Iron Man depends on what they have at the ready, I mean Tony could probably destroy Cyborgs body with his energy blast's similar to what he did to Bucky's old arm, but Cyborg could also cut Tony out of the suit, it's a toss up either could win quite easily given the right scenario.
Vibranium is magnetic as shown in Winter Soldier.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 5, 2018 3:09:13 GMT
Magneto doesn't control metal genius, he controls magnetism, if an Ultron army were made of a non ferrous metal then Magneto would be unable to control them, as such Magneto would be useless against the main Ultron at the end of AOU which is made of vibranium which is not a ferrous metal, same goes for Vision.
As for Cyborg all Tony would need to do is turn off his suits open network, it would render him without the aid of his other gadgets and such but if he closed off his suits it would prevent Cyborg from taking control, Cyborg would have to physically jack into the suit, and Cyborg is no more a threat in doing this than Ultron was, and we saw Tony was more than up to taking on Ultron.
As for Cyborg Vs. Iron Man depends on what they have at the ready, I mean Tony could probably destroy Cyborgs body with his energy blast's similar to what he did to Bucky's old arm, but Cyborg could also cut Tony out of the suit, it's a toss up either could win quite easily given the right scenario.
Vibranium is magnetic as shown in Winter Soldier. So dazz is wrong. Magneto can control Ultron and Black Panther. Heck, since Black Panther's suit is made of vibranium and since Magneto can control vibranium, Magneto can actually make Black Panther's suit crush Black Panther flat as a pancake.
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Post by dazz on May 5, 2018 3:35:27 GMT
Vibranium is magnetic as shown in Winter Soldier. So dazz is wrong. Magneto can control Ultron and Black Panther. Heck, since Black Panther's suit is made of vibranium and since Magneto can control vibranium, Magneto can actually make Black Panther's suit crush Black Panther flat as a pancake. When was vibranium shown to be magnetic? RRF...im not calling you your full username sorry, but I'm assuming in the elevator fight is when you think it is, but watch it again the magnetic cuff they get on Steve doesn't effect his shield at all, Cap breaks it off his arm with the shield and it doesn't stick to his shield as it did the metal portions of the elevator itself.
So no DC-Fan Magneto couldn't do dick to Ultron, Vision or BP, unless compenets in their suits/bodies are made of ferrous metal, but vibranium seems to also shield from the effects of magnetism so maybe not.
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Post by kleinreturns on May 5, 2018 5:26:35 GMT
Except you forget that the Avengers had to continuously hold Thanos down while Mantis struggled to keep him drowsy. She was obviously struggling. The X-men don't have the physical strength required to contain Thanos. Xavier is the worlds most powerful telepath and psychic, Mantis' power is a fraction of his and if she was able to subdue Thanos even a little then Xavier would be much more comfortable. And yet FOX-Men's Xavier got easily taken out by Mystique in X1 when she just strolled into the X-Mansion to Sabotage Cerebro under his nose. Or didn't have the brains to use either Sabretooth or Toad to remove Magneto's helmet during the Police standoff and what make this particular scene so dumb is that both Xavier AND Jean Grey are TWO POWERFUL TELEPATHS WITH AN ELEMENT OF SURPRISE OVER MAGNETO BUT CHOOSE TO STUPIDLY TALK TO MAGNETO INSTEAD OF USING EITHER SABRETOOTH OR TOAD TO REMOVE MAGNETO'S HELMET AND THEN TAKE OVER HIS MIND TO END THIS.Or in X2 Xavier somehow did NOT pick up on Magneto extremely obvious odd behavior telepathically or even just by Magneto's physical reactions, nor did he read the minds of the guards who were clearly working with Stryker nor did he pick up on the Deathstrike ambush on Cyclops. He also left Stryker a dangerous man alone unwatched or telepathically surveilled for 1 5 YEARS WHILE KNOWING THAT HE HATED HIS MUTANT SON WHO WAS ALSO A TELEPATH AND WAS A HIGH RANKING MILITARY OFFICER, and got captured by Stryker who was just a human and spend most of this movie as a prisoner. What a power telepath Xavier is in this FOX-Men movies.....LOL.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on May 5, 2018 12:01:01 GMT
So dazz is wrong. Magneto can control Ultron and Black Panther. Heck, since Black Panther's suit is made of vibranium and since Magneto can control vibranium, Magneto can actually make Black Panther's suit crush Black Panther flat as a pancake. When was vibranium shown to be magnetic? RRF...im not calling you your full username sorry, but I'm assuming in the elevator fight is when you think it is, but watch it again the magnetic cuff they get on Steve doesn't effect his shield at all, Cap breaks it off his arm with the shield and it doesn't stick to his shield as it did the metal portions of the elevator itself.
So no DC-Fan Magneto couldn't do dick to Ultron, Vision or BP, unless compenets in their suits/bodies are made of ferrous metal, but vibranium seems to also shield from the effects of magnetism so maybe not.
No, Steve has his a magnetic gauntlet he uses to hold his shield. Which he also used in the comics. ![](https://i.imgur.com/BNzHlKF.gif) ![](https://i.imgur.com/DJ7dW69.jpg) It was shown in Age of Ultron, not Winter Soldier. My mistake.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on May 5, 2018 12:03:57 GMT
Xavier is the worlds most powerful telepath and psychic, Mantis' power is a fraction of his and if she was able to subdue Thanos even a little then Xavier would be much more comfortable. And yet FOX-Men's Xavier got easily taken out by Mystique in X1 when she just strolled into the X-Mansion to Sabotage Cerebro under his nose. Or didn't have the brains to use either Sabretooth or Toad to remove Magneto's helmet during the Police standoff and what make this particular scene so dumb is that both Xavier AND Jean Grey are TWO POWERFUL TELEPATHS WITH AN ELEMENT OF SURPRISE OVER MAGNETO BUT CHOOSE TO STUPIDLY TALK TO MAGNETO INSTEAD OF USING EITHER SABRETOOTH OR TOAD TO REMOVE MAGNETO'S HELMET AND THEN TAKE OVER HIS MIND TO END THIS.Or in X2 Xavier somehow did NOT pick up on Magneto extremely obvious odd behavior telepathically or even just by Magneto's physical reactions, nor did he read the minds of the guards who were clearly working with Stryker nor did he pick up on the Deathstrike ambush on Cyclops. He also left Stryker a dangerous man alone unwatched or telepathically surveilled for 1 5 YEARS WHILE KNOWING THAT HE HATED HIS MUTANT SON WHO WAS ALSO A TELEPATH AND WAS A HIGH RANKING MILITARY OFFICER, and got captured by Stryker who was just a human and spend most of this movie as a prisoner. What a power telepath Xavier is in this FOX-Men movies.....LOL. Xavier can control the minds of the entire planet without Cerebro.
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Post by charzhino on May 5, 2018 12:55:04 GMT
So dazz is wrong. Magneto can control Ultron and Black Panther. Heck, since Black Panther's suit is made of vibranium and since Magneto can control vibranium, Magneto can actually make Black Panther's suit crush Black Panther flat as a pancake. When was vibranium shown to be magnetic? RRF...im not calling you your full username sorry, but I'm assuming in the elevator fight is when you think it is, but watch it again the magnetic cuff they get on Steve doesn't effect his shield at all, Cap breaks it off his arm with the shield and it doesn't stick to his shield as it did the metal portions of the elevator itself.
So no DC-Fan Magneto couldn't do dick to Ultron, Vision or BP, unless compenets in their suits/bodies are made of ferrous metal, but vibranium seems to also shield from the effects of magnetism so maybe not.
Vibranium is a metal, in the comics its an alloy of adamantium as well. As long it is a metal and had free electrons, Magneto can control it.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 5, 2018 15:42:44 GMT
When was vibranium shown to be magnetic? RRF...im not calling you your full username sorry, but I'm assuming in the elevator fight is when you think it is, but watch it again the magnetic cuff they get on Steve doesn't effect his shield at all, Cap breaks it off his arm with the shield and it doesn't stick to his shield as it did the metal portions of the elevator itself.
So no DC-Fan Magneto couldn't do dick to Ultron, Vision or BP, unless compenets in their suits/bodies are made of ferrous metal, but vibranium seems to also shield from the effects of magnetism so maybe not.
Vibranium is a metal, in the comics its an alloy of adamantium as well. As long it is a metal and had free electrons, Magneto can control it. So basically, Magneto can make Black Panther's suit crush Black Panther flat as a pancake.
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Post by Skaathar on May 5, 2018 18:12:13 GMT
When was vibranium shown to be magnetic? RRF...im not calling you your full username sorry, but I'm assuming in the elevator fight is when you think it is, but watch it again the magnetic cuff they get on Steve doesn't effect his shield at all, Cap breaks it off his arm with the shield and it doesn't stick to his shield as it did the metal portions of the elevator itself.
So no DC-Fan Magneto couldn't do dick to Ultron, Vision or BP, unless compenets in their suits/bodies are made of ferrous metal, but vibranium seems to also shield from the effects of magnetism so maybe not.
No, Steve has his a magnetic gauntlet he uses to hold his shield. Which he also used in the comics. ![](https://i.imgur.com/BNzHlKF.gif) ![](https://i.imgur.com/DJ7dW69.jpg) It was shown in Age of Ultron, not Winter Soldier. My mistake. If you look at that clip, it's always the shield's center that attaches to Cap's arm, meaning it's only that center underside part that's magnetic. If the entire shield was magnetic then the shield would attach to Cap's arm in a whole host of different ways, not always the same. So in the end, this is still not proof that vibranium itself is magnetic.
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Post by dazz on May 5, 2018 18:31:17 GMT
When was vibranium shown to be magnetic? RRF...im not calling you your full username sorry, but I'm assuming in the elevator fight is when you think it is, but watch it again the magnetic cuff they get on Steve doesn't effect his shield at all, Cap breaks it off his arm with the shield and it doesn't stick to his shield as it did the metal portions of the elevator itself.
So no DC-Fan Magneto couldn't do dick to Ultron, Vision or BP, unless compenets in their suits/bodies are made of ferrous metal, but vibranium seems to also shield from the effects of magnetism so maybe not.
No, Steve has his a magnetic gauntlet he uses to hold his shield. Which he also used in the comics. ![](https://i.imgur.com/BNzHlKF.gif) ![](https://i.imgur.com/DJ7dW69.jpg) It was shown in Age of Ultron, not Winter Soldier. My mistake. Figured you may mention that but as Skaathar said it's only the centre part of the shield where the arm holster is that seems magnetic, that implies that either that has a specific device that's connected to Cap's wrist gauntlet thing and his back holster or has a simply lining of ferrous metal for the magnets on his wrist and back to hold onto, as Skaathar said if the shield was as a whole effected by magnets it wouldn't only be that area that's ever effected, also this is in Winter Soldier also so you were correct in that, but as I said if the shield was influenced by magnets the magnetic cuffs they tried to use on Cap in the elevator scene would also be drawn onto it which they aren't.
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Post by dazz on May 5, 2018 18:45:29 GMT
When was vibranium shown to be magnetic? RRF...im not calling you your full username sorry, but I'm assuming in the elevator fight is when you think it is, but watch it again the magnetic cuff they get on Steve doesn't effect his shield at all, Cap breaks it off his arm with the shield and it doesn't stick to his shield as it did the metal portions of the elevator itself.
So no DC-Fan Magneto couldn't do dick to Ultron, Vision or BP, unless compenets in their suits/bodies are made of ferrous metal, but vibranium seems to also shield from the effects of magnetism so maybe not.
Vibranium is a metal, in the comics its an alloy of adamantium as well. As long it is a metal and had free electrons, Magneto can control it. No he cant he controls magnetism not metal specifically, and in the comics it is specifically stated he cannot effect vibranium, he can however effect Caps shield & adamantium as they are both created by combining vibranium with another metal, adamantium being a product accidentally created in attempting to replicate the unique make up of Cap's shield which iirc is stronger than both vibranium & adamantium, and vibranium provides shielding from magneto's powers as even when his power is jacked up to the point he can incapacitate people by effecting the iron in their blood the black Panther suit prevents him from doing this to T'Challa.
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