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Post by DC-Fan on May 4, 2018 0:46:00 GMT
Infinity War’s Ending Was Shocking… When DC Did It FirstThe ending of Avengers: Infinity War is guaranteed to leave fans shocked and confused… at least until they realize that DC’s Arrowverse pulled off the exact same twist back in 2015. DC pulled off the twist long before fans even knew to worry that their Marvel heroes would be killed by Thanos Before we get to the real cliffhanger endings and their near-mirror-versions of each other, a bit of backstory. Just as important as the villain, the final battle, or the shocking twist is the larger studio plan before and after. And again, the similarity is a strange element. For DC, it was a combination of Arrow and The Flash along with new heroes, taking on the sudden emergence of Vandal Savage (eventually adding Legends of Tomorrow to their connected universe). For Marvel, it’s a culmination of nearly every Marvel property into one film, taking on the sudden emergence of Thanos Enough build-up: let’s get to the shocking twist that sees the villain win, the heroes die… and it all get reversed eventually. How DC Pulled Off Their Shocking TwistWith the villain (Vandal) seeking “unstoppable” power, but requiring the woman he loves to attain it (Kendra), the heroes are outmatched, and forced to turn her over. But they ultimately come up with a plan to ambush him, and prevent his planned ascendance. Unfortunately, the chance for the heroes to attack in unison is sabotaged when one hero falters (Kendra), and the others fail to turn the villain’s golden weapon against him… leading to the worst possible outcome. Vandal claims his coveted power, and unleashes its full might on not just the heroes, but the millions of citizens who surround them. In a blast of superheated energy, Oliver is turned to dust, soon followed by Laurel, Diggle, Felicity, Caitlin, Cisco… and everyone else in Central City. Thankfully, Oliver took Barry’s place explaining that he must survive, since he is the only hero with the ability to prevent this disaster from ever having taken place. The deaths are hard to watch, but thanks to Barry’s glimpse of the future, the audience knows this timeline can, and will be changed. How Marvel Pulled Off Their Shocking TwistWith the villain (Thanos) seeking “unstoppable” power, but requiring the woman he loves to attain it (Gamora), the heroes are outmatched, and forced to turn her over. But they ultimately come up with a plan to ambush him, and prevent his planned ascendance. Unfortunately, the chance for the heroes to attack in unison is sabotaged when one hero falters (Star-Lord), and the others fail to turn the villain’s golden weapon against him… leading to the worst possible outcome. Thanos claims his coveted power, and unleashes its full might on not just the heroes, but the trillions of lifeforms who surround them. In a blast of supercharged cosmic energy, Bucky is turned to dust, soon followed by T’Challa, Groot, Wanda, Sam, Mantis, Drax… and half of everyone else in the universe. Thankfully, Doctor Strange took Tony Stark’s explaining that he must survive, since he is the only hero with the ability to prevent this disaster from ever having taken place. The deaths are hard to watch, but thanks to Strange’s glimpses of the future, the audience knows this timeline can, and will be changed.
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Post by stargazer1682 on May 4, 2018 1:28:54 GMT
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Post by sostie on May 4, 2018 9:27:19 GMT
IW is based on a comic decades before Arrow/Flash TV shows.
Still think what you have to say is so important you have to start this thread on three boards I see.
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Post by BexxyJ on May 22, 2018 14:41:25 GMT
WTF? This is gold. They're copying the Arrow shows now? I haven't watched Infinity Wars but I'll give it the flick if they are going to copy these shows. I can watch them for free every week.
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Post by stargazer1682 on May 22, 2018 16:28:24 GMT
WTF? This is gold. They're copying the Arrow shows now? I haven't watched Infinity Wars but I'll give it the flick if they are going to copy these shows. I can watch them for free every week. Only in the broadest sense that there's a general similarity, but in actuality they're following the plot of the Marvel comic storyline that came out long before the Arrowverse did anything comparable. So if there's any claim of one copying the other - which is arguably a stretch - it would be more like the Arrowverse copied the Marvel comic.
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Post by NewtJorden on May 22, 2018 18:27:26 GMT
So the Arrowverse started in 2012. And the Infinity War comic book was in 1991. So my guess is that you have no idea what a comic book is.
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Post by DSDSquared on May 22, 2018 19:05:38 GMT
I am watching Arrow all the way through right now and I actually just saw that episode the other night. It did not remind me of Infinity Wars in the slightest. Seriously. They are nothing alike. Also, Everyone is 'killed' and Flash reverses it in seriously less than five total minutes. This was not even a huge plot point.
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Post by General Kenobi on May 22, 2018 19:28:24 GMT
DC-Fan is that saddest of fans. The one who demands importance and will do anything to achieve it, even lying.
Other fans in the same fandom feel embarrassed for and by him.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 12:38:24 GMT
Ahh. To be fair, I don't think anything DC or Marvel are doing in movies and TV shows can be considered as being remotely original 'cause they are only copying what the comic books did for decades before them much like the shared universe concept that was done by other comic book companies before DC and Marvel. Killing off a lot of superheroes is nothing new and I have seen a lot of comic books under numerous companies where they have done this and Marvel's 'The Infinity War'was written as a response to DC's 'Crisis on Infinite Earths' (as the writer, Jim Starlin said Marvel wanted him to do) which came out 6 years before it where they killed off a number of superheroes like Supergirl (Kara Zor-El), The Flash (Barry Allen) and Phantom Lady among others. I think in this case Marvel was just adapting the old comic book by Jim Starlin and most likely wasn't thinking about 'The Flash/ Arrow' crossover episode.
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Post by BexxyJ on May 25, 2018 14:45:57 GMT
Ahh. To be fair, I don't think anything DC or Marvel are doing in movies and TV shows can be considered as being remotely original 'cause they are only copying what the comic books did for decades before them much like the shared universe concept that was done by other comic book companies before DC and Marvel. Killing off a lot of superheroes is nothing new and I have seen a lot of comic books under numerous companies where they have done this and Marvel's 'The Infinity War'was written as a response to DC's 'Crisis on Infinite Earths' (as the writer, Jim Starlin said Marvel wanted him to do) which came out 6 years before it where they killed off a number of superheroes like Supergirl (Kara Zor-El), The Flash (Barry Allen) and Phantom Lady among others. I think in this case Marvel was just adapting the old comic book by Jim Starlin and most likely wasn't thinking about 'The Flash/ Arrow' crossover episode. So they copy each other and one tries to take all the credit for it, am I right? That sounds like Coke and Pepsi, Microsoft and Apple, Kellogs and Sanitarium, Star Wars and Stargates and Cadbury and Nestle. What is it with all these companies trying to copy each other and steal their names? You know what this is like? Wheetbix and vita brits. Who asked for vita brits? Infinite Wars and Crisis On Infinite Earth. Even the names sound similar. Stop copying each other you lazy cunts.
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Post by DSDSquared on May 25, 2018 16:10:17 GMT
Ahh. To be fair, I don't think anything DC or Marvel are doing in movies and TV shows can be considered as being remotely original 'cause they are only copying what the comic books did for decades before them much like the shared universe concept that was done by other comic book companies before DC and Marvel. Killing off a lot of superheroes is nothing new and I have seen a lot of comic books under numerous companies where they have done this and Marvel's 'The Infinity War'was written as a response to DC's 'Crisis on Infinite Earths' (as the writer, Jim Starlin said Marvel wanted him to do) which came out 6 years before it where they killed off a number of superheroes like Supergirl (Kara Zor-El), The Flash (Barry Allen) and Phantom Lady among others. I think in this case Marvel was just adapting the old comic book by Jim Starlin and most likely wasn't thinking about 'The Flash/ Arrow' crossover episode. So they copy each other and one tries to take all the credit for it, am I right? That sounds like Coke and Pepsi, Microsoft and Apple, Kellogs and Sanitarium, Star Wars and Stargates and Cadbury and Nestle. What is it with all these companies trying to copy each other and steal their names? You know what this is like? Wheetbix and vita brits. Who asked for vita brits? Infinite Wars and Crisis On Infinite Earth. Even the names sound similar. Stop copying each other you lazy ***s. Kind of like Slade Wilson and Wade Wilson? That has always been the most funny one to me.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 12:33:07 GMT
Ahh. To be fair, I don't think anything DC or Marvel are doing in movies and TV shows can be considered as being remotely original 'cause they are only copying what the comic books did for decades before them much like the shared universe concept that was done by other comic book companies before DC and Marvel. Killing off a lot of superheroes is nothing new and I have seen a lot of comic books under numerous companies where they have done this and Marvel's 'The Infinity War'was written as a response to DC's 'Crisis on Infinite Earths' (as the writer, Jim Starlin said Marvel wanted him to do) which came out 6 years before it where they killed off a number of superheroes like Supergirl (Kara Zor-El), The Flash (Barry Allen) and Phantom Lady among others. I think in this case Marvel was just adapting the old comic book by Jim Starlin and most likely wasn't thinking about 'The Flash/ Arrow' crossover episode. So they copy each other and one tries to take all the credit for it, am I right? That sounds like Coke and Pepsi, Microsoft and Apple, Kellogs and Sanitarium, Star Wars and Stargates and Cadbury and Nestle. What is it with all these companies trying to copy each other and steal their names? You know what this is like? Wheetbix and vita brits. Who asked for vita brits? Infinite Wars and Crisis On Infinite Earth. Even the names sound similar. Stop copying each other you lazy ***s. Yes. That is exactly what they do and DC and Marvel copy each other and other comic book companies like Image Comics and Valiant Comics who in turn copy them back and nearly all of DC and Marvel's biggest superheroes like Batman, Spider-Man, Captain America, Green Arrow, Aquaman, The Flash, X Men, Watchmen, Black Cat etc were copies of superheroes from companies in the 30s and 40s and after 'Witchblade' had success with the 'War of the Witchblades' storyline Marvel made a 'War of the Marvels' storyline for Ms Marvel a few months after. Then there are all the jungle characters like Tarzan, Sheena: Queen of the Jungle, Shanna the She Devil, Kazar and George of the Jungle who were all copies of Rima the Jungle Girl and I think there is always going to be creators that will copy each other but there is a chance some of them do it by mistake without realising it.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 12:37:54 GMT
So they copy each other and one tries to take all the credit for it, am I right? That sounds like Coke and Pepsi, Microsoft and Apple, Kellogs and Sanitarium, Star Wars and Stargates and Cadbury and Nestle. What is it with all these companies trying to copy each other and steal their names? You know what this is like? Wheetbix and vita brits. Who asked for vita brits? Infinite Wars and Crisis On Infinite Earth. Even the names sound similar. Stop copying each other you lazy ***s. Kind of like Slade Wilson and Wade Wilson? That has always been the most funny one to me. That one is very close. I am surprised somebody didn't get sued over it. What about Pokemon and Digimon and Power Rangers and Beetleborgs? I thought Nintendo would have sued the creators of 'Digimon' when it first came out 'cause it was a blatant copy of Pokemon but they let them get away with it.
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Post by DSDSquared on May 31, 2018 12:40:09 GMT
Kind of like Slade Wilson and Wade Wilson? That has always been the most funny one to me. That one is very close. I am surprised somebody didn't get sued over it. What about Pokemon and Digimon and Power Rangers and Beetleborgs? I thought Nintendo would have sued the creators of 'Digimon' when it first came out 'cause it was a blatant copy of Pokemon but they let them get away with it.They even look kind of the same. I think it has been admitted now that Deadpool was a complete rip-off. Still, his character is probably more popular now. I still prefer Manu Bennett's Deathstroke over any Deadpool.
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Post by General Kenobi on May 31, 2018 18:08:10 GMT
Yeah, Rob Liefeld ripped off Deathstroke when he created Deadpool. Which is why writer Fabian Nicieza named him Wade Wilson, as a play on Slade Wilson.
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Post by stargazer1682 on May 31, 2018 18:12:57 GMT
Kind of like Slade Wilson and Wade Wilson? That has always been the most funny one to me. That one is very close. I am surprised somebody didn't get sued over it. What about Pokemon and Digimon and Power Rangers and Beetleborgs? I thought Nintendo would have sued the creators of 'Digimon' when it first came out 'cause it was a blatant copy of Pokemon but they let them get away with it.Beetleborgs was created by Saban Entertainment, the same company that created Power Rangers.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 11:58:57 GMT
That one is very close. I am surprised somebody didn't get sued over it. What about Pokemon and Digimon and Power Rangers and Beetleborgs? I thought Nintendo would have sued the creators of 'Digimon' when it first came out 'cause it was a blatant copy of Pokemon but they let them get away with it. Beetleborgs was created by Saban Entertainment, the same company that created Power Rangers. Oohhh. That explains that. They are not going to sue themselves for copying themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 12:01:25 GMT
That one is very close. I am surprised somebody didn't get sued over it. What about Pokemon and Digimon and Power Rangers and Beetleborgs? I thought Nintendo would have sued the creators of 'Digimon' when it first came out 'cause it was a blatant copy of Pokemon but they let them get away with it. They even look kind of the same. I think it has been admitted now that Deadpool was a complete rip-off. Still, his character is probably more popular now. I still prefer Manu Bennett's Deathstroke over any Deadpool. Yeah. I like Manu's Deathstroke too. Out of all the villains they have had in the 'Arrowverse' so far I think he was the best and it is a shame Warner Bros blocked 'Arrow' from using him just when they brought him back in the show. I won't say too much 'cause I don't want to spoil it for you but Deathstroke returns in Season 6 and he was supposed to have a big role and Warner Bros pulled him. I think they were worried the DCEU version won't be as good as Manu's version.
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Post by DSDSquared on Jun 5, 2018 12:03:46 GMT
They even look kind of the same. I think it has been admitted now that Deadpool was a complete rip-off. Still, his character is probably more popular now. I still prefer Manu Bennett's Deathstroke over any Deadpool. Yeah. I like Manu's Deathstroke too. Out of all the villains they have had in the 'Arrowverse' so far I think he was the best and it is a shame Warner Bros blocked 'Arrow' from using him just when they brought him back in the show. I won't say too much 'cause I don't want to spoil it for you but Deathstroke returns in Season 6 and he was supposed to have a big role and Warner Bros pulled him. I think they were worried the DCEU version won't be as good as Manu's version.Really? That seriously sucks big time. I am halfway through Season Six now. Deathstroke is far and away the best character on the show. The episode with him and Oliver overseas was pure gold. Honestly, if they made an Arrow and Deathstroke show with them completed missions around the world it would be better than all of the other DC Shows combined. Oh well.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jun 6, 2018 13:53:53 GMT
Yeah this is the story of the Arrowverse. have a good idea and screw it up big time. So much wasted potential over the years.
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