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Post by DSDSquared on May 9, 2018 14:57:53 GMT
Okay, I have been watching Arrow again from the beginning. I only watched the first four seasons before. I am on season 3 now and switched over to the Flash. I watched the first season of the Flash before and the first few episodes of Supergirl, but that is it as far as this Arrowverse goes. I am bored to tears watching Flash. Sure, it is not a bad show, but I seriously just want to watch Arrow. I hate missing the rest because of the crossover stuff, but I am feeling like skipping the rest of the shows and just watching Arrow. How will this affect my understanding? Keep in mind that I have a lot of knowledge on the comics and the characters.
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Post by DSDSquared on May 9, 2018 19:20:07 GMT
Anyone? Simple question, can I watch Arrow all the way through by itself and forget the other shows?
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Post by dazz on May 9, 2018 21:12:46 GMT
Yeah and it would probably help what with the issues that arise knowing that Oliver has friends with immense power they could/should be able to help him in times of need but for some reason just don't, so imagining Arrow exist in a world where he doesn't have access to all that stuff will likely help, their will be a few hiccups but for the most part you're all good.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 9, 2018 21:41:40 GMT
Okay, I have been watching Arrow again from the beginning. I only watched the first four seasons before. I am on season 3 now and switched over to the Flash. I watched the first season of the Flash before and the first few episodes of Supergirl, but that is it as far as this Arrowverse goes. I am bored to tears watching Flash. Sure, it is not a bad show, but I seriously just want to watch Arrow. I hate missing the rest because of the crossover stuff, but I am feeling like skipping the rest of the shows and just watching Arrow. How will this affect my understanding? Keep in mind that I have a lot of knowledge on the comics and the characters. If you just watch Arrow and don't watch the other shows, I think the 2 biggest questions you'll have are: 1. If Laurel Lance was killed, who is Black Siren and where did she come from? 2. Diggle and Lyla used to have a daughter. Now it's a son. What happened?
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Post by DC-Fan on May 9, 2018 21:43:57 GMT
Yeah and it would probably help what with the issues that arise knowing that Oliver has friends with immense power they could/should be able to help him in times of need but for some reason just don't For the same reason that Superman isn't always there to help Supergirl. Because Superman and Supergirl live in 2 different cities. And Team Arrow and Team Flash live in 2 different cities.
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Post by dazz on May 9, 2018 22:57:29 GMT
Yeah and it would probably help what with the issues that arise knowing that Oliver has friends with immense power they could/should be able to help him in times of need but for some reason just don't For the same reason that Superman isn't always there to help Supergirl. Because Superman and Supergirl live in 2 different cities. And Team Arrow and Team Flash live in 2 different cities. Except it doesn't make sense in any logical way, Superman, Supergirl & Flash can travel at superspeed and there by be there to help in minutes and yet despite Supergirl twice facing world ending threats hasn't bothered calling on Superman, then the other time when she did get help it was just because he was already around not because she tried to get help.
Also the Legends can be there anytime they are needed but never help out.
It's just easier like in the comics to forget the others exist when enjoying certain stories otherwise you do just get the huh wait what? like oh my god superman is facing a threat he cant seem to handle why isn't he calling the JL? then you read an issue of JL and it's like why the hell does this require WW, Superman, Batman, Flash & Green Lantern when in their own issues any one of them could take on this problem.
Like I get it in personal stories like last season with Prometheus, Oliver wouldn't ask for help because it's his mess to clean up, but this time with everyone else turning on him and no one seemingly able to remotely contain Diaz why isn't he asking for help? or when Dahrk was threatening to nuke the planet, surely then Oliver should have been like oh shit we need help.
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Post by DSDSquared on May 10, 2018 11:15:10 GMT
For the same reason that Superman isn't always there to help Supergirl. Because Superman and Supergirl live in 2 different cities. And Team Arrow and Team Flash live in 2 different cities. Except it doesn't make sense in any logical way, Superman, Supergirl & Flash can travel at superspeed and there by be there to help in minutes and yet despite Supergirl twice facing world ending threats hasn't bothered calling on Superman, then the other time when she did get help it was just because he was already around not because she tried to get help.
Also the Legends can be there anytime they are needed but never help out.
It's just easier like in the comics to forget the others exist when enjoying certain stories otherwise you do just get the huh wait what? like oh my god superman is facing a threat he cant seem to handle why isn't he calling the JL? then you read an issue of JL and it's like why the hell does this require WW, Superman, Batman, Flash & Green Lantern when in their own issues any one of them could take on this problem.
Like I get it in personal stories like last season with Prometheus, Oliver wouldn't ask for help because it's his mess to clean up, but this time with everyone else turning on him and no one seemingly able to remotely contain Diaz why isn't he asking for help? or when Dahrk was threatening to nuke the planet, surely then Oliver should have been like oh shit we need help.
I do not mind this at all. Marvel does it too. I just ignore this stuff. I am actually still watching Flash and I am enjoying it now. Maybe I will try to at least stay up on both of those. I remember hating season 2 of the Flash and quitting though, but these kinds of shows lend themselves to binge watching. I really like Arrow. Sure, it is cheesy as heck, but it is a fun show. I am switching between these and The Americans. When I am in the mood for a serious drama, I turn on The Americans. When I want to turn my brain off and have fun, I switch back over to the Arrowverse.
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Post by General Kenobi on May 10, 2018 13:07:27 GMT
Well, turning your mind off is the only way you can endure some of the later episodes. Especially when they involve courtroom drama.
Apparently the Arrowverse's legal system has little to nothing in common with our own.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 10, 2018 14:41:47 GMT
Except it doesn't make sense in any logical way, Superman, Supergirl & Flash can travel at superspeed and there by be there to help in minutes and yet despite Supergirl twice facing world ending threats hasn't bothered calling on Superman, then the other time when she did get help it was just because he was already around not because she tried to get help.
Also the Legends can be there anytime they are needed but never help out.
It's just easier like in the comics to forget the others exist when enjoying certain stories otherwise you do just get the huh wait what? like oh my god superman is facing a threat he cant seem to handle why isn't he calling the JL? then you read an issue of JL and it's like why the hell does this require WW, Superman, Batman, Flash & Green Lantern when in their own issues any one of them could take on this problem.
Like I get it in personal stories like last season with Prometheus, Oliver wouldn't ask for help because it's his mess to clean up, but this time with everyone else turning on him and no one seemingly able to remotely contain Diaz why isn't he asking for help? or when Dahrk was threatening to nuke the planet, surely then Oliver should have been like oh shit we need help.
I do not mind this at all. Marvel does it too. I just ignore this stuff. I am actually still watching Flash and I am enjoying it now. Maybe I will try to at least stay up on both of those. I remember hating season 2 of the Flash and quitting though, but these kinds of shows lend themselves to binge watching. I really like Arrow. Sure, it is cheesy as heck, but it is a fun show. I am switching between these and The Americans. When I am in the mood for a serious drama, I turn on The Americans. When I want to turn my brain off and have fun, I switch back over to the Arrowverse.
And then come and post here. Innit? Explains your brainlessness perfectly.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 13:45:19 GMT
Ahhh. That's a hard one. I would say watch all the shows but it is possible to watch the show without watching all the other shows at the same time but you should watch the other shows when they are having the crossover episodes or it won't make sense. For example there have been two big crossovers during 'Arrow Season 5 and 6' where all four shows have continued on to each other and one during Season 4 of 'Arrow' with 'The Flash' that set up 'DC's Legends of Tomorrow' and if you just watch the 'Arrow' episodes during them it won't make any sense at all. Here is a list of all the crossover episodes and explains them a lot better than we can. I hope this helps you. arrow.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_crossover_episodes
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 13:49:55 GMT
Yeah and it would probably help what with the issues that arise knowing that Oliver has friends with immense power they could/should be able to help him in times of need but for some reason just don't, so imagining Arrow exist in a world where he doesn't have access to all that stuff will likely help, their will be a few hiccups but for the most part you're all good. He does and it looks ridiculous why he isn't reaching out and getting his other powered friends to help him fight Ricardo Diaz this season. Sure, The Flash has to deal with DeVoe and Supergirl is busy with Reign but what exactly are the Legends doing now their season is over? He should call the Legends team in to help him fight Ricardo Diaz or some others like Hawkman and Hawkgirl. I wasn't a fan of their version of the Hawks as you know they would be helpful for Oliver right now.
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Post by dazz on May 14, 2018 13:58:09 GMT
I think what makes it worse is that the why they team up or crossover is always either silly or contrived, like seriously we needed Felicity to crossover for a hen night? also why didn't Oliver attend Wally's stag do? but oh wait look come the wedding when they all have to come together for the first time in a year low and behold Nazi invasion from a parallel world, what a coinky dink.
I preferred the S3/1 crossover which were minimal for the most part but made kinda sense, even with the timeline being a little hazy, and yeah the legends not showing up ever is soo stupid, like their shows the shortest but they can be anywhere at any time why the fuck don't anyone call these pricks? unless everyone else recognises how inferior to everyone else they all are in which case fair enough.
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Post by hardball on May 14, 2018 14:09:22 GMT
Yeah and it would probably help what with the issues that arise knowing that Oliver has friends with immense power they could/should be able to help him in times of need but for some reason just don't, so imagining Arrow exist in a world where he doesn't have access to all that stuff will likely help, their will be a few hiccups but for the most part you're all good. He does and it looks ridiculous why he isn't reaching out and getting his other powered friends to help him fight Ricardo Diaz this season. Sure, The Flash has to deal with DeVoe and Supergirl is busy with Reign but what exactly are the Legends doing now their season is over? He should call the Legends team in to help him fight Ricardo Diaz or some others like Hawkman and Hawkgirl. I wasn't a fan of their version of the Hawks as you know they would be helpful for Oliver right now. Here's what I think. As you pointed the Flash is busy with DeVoe and Kara is in another dimension. As for the Legends, does Ollie have a device they can use to contact them? I can't recall, I think they were given one during their first crossover but I am not sure. And even if they did, I guess Oliver just doesn't want to disturb them. Diaz is dangerous yes, but he's peanuts compared to a metahuman like DeVoe or the time anomalies the LOT have to deal with. And if I were Ollie I probably wouldn't call them either unless it was really necessary. I took an oath to protect the city, so it's my responsibility. And what would team Flash and LOT think? Team Arrow can't even handle a drug lord? And yeah, probably Oliver's pride too.
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Post by dazz on May 14, 2018 14:34:09 GMT
That's fair in regards to Diaz or Prometheus but doesn't explain why he never got any help with Dahrk, I mean the dudes plot involved nuking the planet, which given Zoom's threat that season was only disclosed in the final episode makes you wonder why the fuck didn't Barry help stop the nukes?
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Post by hardball on May 14, 2018 14:50:14 GMT
That's fair in regards to Diaz or Prometheus but doesn't explain why he never got any help with Dahrk, I mean the dudes plot involved nuking the planet, which given Zoom's threat that season was only disclosed in the final episode makes you wonder why the fuck didn't Barry help stop the nukes? Barry could have stopped the nukes all right, but the show wants us to believe they take place at the same time, or close enough that it would be impractical for Ollie to call Barry.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 14, 2018 19:52:52 GMT
Yeah and it would probably help what with the issues that arise knowing that Oliver has friends with immense power they could/should be able to help him in times of need but for some reason just don't, so imagining Arrow exist in a world where he doesn't have access to all that stuff will likely help, their will be a few hiccups but for the most part you're all good. what exactly are the Legends doing now their season is over?The Legends are relaxing on a beach in Aruba.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 14, 2018 19:56:52 GMT
He does and it looks ridiculous why he isn't reaching out and getting his other powered friends to help him fight Ricardo Diaz this season. Sure, The Flash has to deal with DeVoe and Supergirl is busy with Reign but what exactly are the Legends doing now their season is over? He should call the Legends team in to help him fight Ricardo Diaz or some others like Hawkman and Hawkgirl. I wasn't a fan of their version of the Hawks as you know they would be helpful for Oliver right now. Here's what I think. As you pointed the Flash is busy with DeVoe and Kara is in another dimension. As for the Legends, does Ollie have a device they can use to contact them? I can't recall I think Cisco and Caitlin have a device or a way to send a message to the Legends. So Oliver can have Cisco or Caitlin contact the Legends.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 14, 2018 20:04:40 GMT
That's fair in regards to Diaz or Prometheus but doesn't explain why he never got any help with Dahrk, I mean the dudes plot involved nuking the planet, which given Zoom's threat that season was only disclosed in the final episode makes you wonder why the fuck didn't Barry help stop the nukes? Depends on the timing of when Dahrk was carrying out his plan. Remember that Barry was on Earth-38 (Supergirl's Earth) that season and also briefly held prisoner on Hunter Zolomon's Earth. So Oliver wouldn't have been able to contact Barry during those times.
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Post by DSDSquared on May 14, 2018 20:27:53 GMT
I am still enjoying these shows. I watch fast. I just finished season 3 of Arrow and season one of The Flash. Going to watch the rest. I decided to try LOT and Supergirl too. I watched the first few episodes of Supergirl when they aired and the show stunk, IMO, but I will give it another try. I have never seen LOT, but I am not a huge fan of most of the characters. Arrow is cheese, but it also has great action and moments of badassness (if that is a word). The Flash can also be cheesy, but it works very well for that show. LOT and Supergirl just look like all cheese. I figure since I have gone this far, I will go through it all. Oliver is still my favorite character in the Arrowverse. I know many on here seem to hate him and hate Amell as an actor, but I think he is perfect for the role.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 11:38:15 GMT
I think what makes it worse is that the why they team up or crossover is always either silly or contrived, like seriously we needed Felicity to crossover for a hen night? also why didn't Oliver attend Wally's stag do? but oh wait look come the wedding when they all have to come together for the first time in a year low and behold Nazi invasion from a parallel world, what a coinky dink. I preferred the S3/1 crossover which were minimal for the most part but made kinda sense, even with the timeline being a little hazy, and yeah the legends not showing up ever is soo stupid, like their shows the shortest but they can be anywhere at any time why the fuck don't anyone call these pricks? unless everyone else recognises how inferior to everyone else they all are in which case fair enough. Yeah. A lot of the random crossovers during the seasons have been very disappointing and they can turn up for silly events like the one you mentioned but not when they really need to one another. If I remember correctly the only time Oliver has really came to Barry's aid was when he was facing Reverse Flash in the final episode of Season One and Firestorm was there to help too and Barry turned up to help Oliver in the final episode of Season 3 when Team Arrow was held captive by Ra' but he didn't stay and help him fight when Barry was fast enough to take out all the League members before they knew what hit them. They have never had Supergirl turn up to help Oliver and Barry and I remember reading there was supposed to be a 'Supergirl/ Arrow' crossover episode but it never happened. I think the Legends team spend more time sitting around doing nothing than saving the world so it does look silly they don't call them up and Sara didn't look busy when she turned up to see her Father. Why Sara didn't come into it earlier was dumb 'cause they could have used her help with Ricardo Diaz.
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