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Post by kls on May 15, 2018 23:46:32 GMT
I'm not sure masturbation is a sin in and of itself. It depends on which version of religion you subscribe to. According to Catholicism, it is a mortal sin. Obviously I don’t believe that it is, particularly in the basis that I don’t believe in sin (mortal or otherwise). We do it subconsciously sometimes. However, a lack of self-control or lust would be sinful. Sometime you have to do something with that boner, but why seek out a boner when there's no reason to? That’s a question you’d have to wrestle with yourself since you are the one who believes that it could be a sin. I don’t, so I see no reason to ask such questions. To me the question is silly, as it presumes a reason is required in order to make it NOT be a sin. I don’t need a reason to eat Oreo cookies other than they taste good and I want some. According to Catholicism it's a mortal sin? Say what??
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Post by kls on May 15, 2018 23:50:09 GMT
In all seriousness I can't see why it would be an issue unless someone is 1. Masturbating in an inappropriate place or in front of others who don't want to see it/shouldn't see it. 2. Are masturbating instead of having a healthy sex life with his or her partner (not satisfying or connecting with the partner).
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Post by Cody™ on May 16, 2018 5:40:44 GMT
Quoting verses you’re ignorant about is not evidence that the authors created it to control people. I’ve already explained this to you Graham. As much as you’d like to believe that the bible was created to control people, it really wasn’t. It was created to help people. And you still haven’t addressed for what reason you believe the bible is trying to control people? Now who's making up things they know nothing about? You have absolutely NO CLUE why the Bible was really written notwithstanding the various explanations and platitudes it contains. It seems very much like it was written partially by people who genuinely wanted to help people, some who were batcrap crazy...likely on drugs or hallucinating, some who were just copying down stories they'd heard, some who were political activists, and some who needed to control a people (ie Moses). LOL Well you sure have it all figured out, dude.
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Post by mslo79 on May 16, 2018 7:22:47 GMT
source for the above quote = www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm ; this is official Catholic church teachings (it's The Catechism of the Catholic Church) which means they are the truth on such matters but many will ignore them. also, artificial contraception is morally wrong to but many will ignore this because it inconveniences them and requires restraint on their part. basically... after the fall of Adam/Eve humanity no longer see's things properly and are inclined toward sin. so while that stuff might seem harmless, we know that's not true because God says otherwise through the church He started. so you basically got two choices... either ignore God and His truths and risk hell (as this topic is one that you can possibly risk hell for) or at least try to live to His standards by following the commandments etc. trust me, trying to follow Jesus Christ is always going to be better than what's contrary to that whether one can see it or not as it's for our own good/happiness in the long term because ones ultimate goal here on earth is to reach Heaven as it's basically the point of life here on earth. those that reject Jesus Christ, which is what we basically do through sin(there is venial(mild)/mortal(serious) sin and only mortal sin can destroy ones relationship with God), there is only one alternative... hell. NOTE: God wants all people to reach Heaven but apparently people reject Him. but since we all have free will... God won't force us to love Him by following His commandments etc, as it needs to be a free choice on our part otherwise it would not be a act of love on our part towards Him. some advice... regular prayer (I strongly recommend praying The Holy Rosary daily) is crucial if one is going to avoid sin as it basically gives you grace from God to help avoid sin and live a more holy life. but it seems many Christians think regular prayer is optional but it's not as it's required if one is going to grow closer to God and better follow His ways. p.s. www.catholiceducation.org/en/culture/catholic-contributions/masturbation-mortal-sin.htmlFridayOnElmStreet Not true. it's common sense that sex can't be outright bad in all cases simply because if it was, and no one did it, humanity would cease to exist. but with that said... given the sexual urge is quite powerful, it's one of the easiest things for people to abuse. but basically there are not many legitimate uses of the sexual function as it pretty much boils down to that it's only allowed between two (Male/Female) legitimately married pretty much. p.s. but I think I got your point there in that your being sarcastic though.
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Post by rizdek on May 16, 2018 7:57:45 GMT
Now who's making up things they know nothing about? You have absolutely NO CLUE why the Bible was really written notwithstanding the various explanations and platitudes it contains. It seems very much like it was written partially by people who genuinely wanted to help people, some who were batcrap crazy...likely on drugs or hallucinating, some who were just copying down stories they'd heard, some who were political activists, and some who needed to control a people (ie Moses). LOL Well you sure have it all figured out, dude. Well, someone had to figure it out...the job fell to me.
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Post by goz on May 16, 2018 8:04:36 GMT
source for the above quote = www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm ; this is official Catholic church teachings (it's The Catechism of the Catholic Church) which means they are the truth on such matters but many will ignore them. also, artificial contraception is morally wrong to but many will ignore this because it inconveniences them and requires restraint on their part. basically... after the fall of Adam/Eve humanity no longer see's things properly and are inclined toward sin. so while that stuff might seem harmless, we know that's not true because God says otherwise through the church He started. so you basically got two choices... either ignore God and His truths and risk hell (as this topic is one that you can possibly risk hell for) or at least try to live to His standards by following the commandments etc. trust me, trying to follow Jesus Christ is always going to be better than what's contrary to that whether one can see it or not as it's for our own good/happiness in the long term because ones ultimate goal here on earth is to reach Heaven as it's basically the point of life here on earth. those that reject Jesus Christ, which is what we basically do through sin(there is venial(mild)/mortal(serious) sin and only mortal sin can destroy ones relationship with God), there is only one alternative... hell. NOTE: God wants all people to reach Heaven but apparently people reject Him. but since we all have free will... God won't force us to love Him by following His commandments etc, as it needs to be a free choice on our part otherwise it would not be a act of love on our part towards Him. some advice... regular prayer (I strongly recommend praying The Holy Rosary daily) is crucial if one is going to avoid sin as it basically gives you grace from God to help avoid sin and live a more holy life. but it seems many Christians think regular prayer is optional but it's not as it's required if one is going to grow closer to God and better follow His ways. p.s. www.catholiceducation.org/en/culture/catholic-contributions/masturbation-mortal-sin.htmlFridayOnElmStreet Not true. it's common sense that sex can't be outright bad in all cases simply because if it was, and no one did it, humanity would cease to exist. but with that said... given the sexual urge is quite powerful, it's one of the easiest things for people to abuse. but basically there are not many legitimate uses of the sexual function as it pretty much boils down to that it's only allowed between two (Male/Female) legitimately married pretty much. p.s. but I think I got your point there in that your being sarcastic though. LOL at the Catholic number of 'sins' #2,354? LOLOLOLOLOLOL
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 16, 2018 11:07:42 GMT
Then the question is as always: if an omnipotent and omniscient god wants people to believe in him as a matter of choice, then why does it not just reveal itself unambiguously to all, allow an informed choice and ensure it's will is done? It looks like an easy win-win. Such a god would necessarily know what is necessary to convince (not coerce) many more than now - and what won't, ever. And if such a god really gifted man an intellect to reason with, an appreciation of evidence, the capacity for logic, with observation and healthy scepticism, then why the main reliance on credulity?
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Post by goz on May 16, 2018 22:02:47 GMT
Then the question is as always: if an omnipotent and omniscient god wants people to believe in him as a matter of choice, then why does it not just reveal itself unambiguously to all, allow an informed choice and ensure it's will is done? It looks like an easy win-win. Such a god would necessarily know what is necessary to convince (not coerce) many more than now - and what won't, ever. And if such a god really gifted man an intellect to reason with, an appreciation of evidence, the capacity for logic, with observation and healthy scepticism, then why the main reliance on credulity? C'mon! Haven't you heard of good old fashioned 'Catholic guilt'? They love it! They get off on it! Good Catholic's lives are riddled with it in a competitive guilt fest. The whole scenario is run by the power of emotional blackmail, conditional love and fear. In an unwinnable situation all the 'good Catholics' get to show off who is the most pious, who prays the most, who kowtows, genuflects and even flagellates ( not to be confused with fellates) more. HOWEVER, touch your own penis in lust? Not even Hail Mary can save your immortal soul... genuflect genuflect genuflect ...Amen
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Post by kls on May 16, 2018 22:06:17 GMT
Then the question is as always: if an omnipotent and omniscient god wants people to believe in him as a matter of choice, then why does it not just reveal itself unambiguously to all, allow an informed choice and ensure it's will is done? It looks like an easy win-win. Such a god would necessarily know what is necessary to convince (not coerce) many more than now - and what won't, ever. And if such a god really gifted man an intellect to reason with, an appreciation of evidence, the capacity for logic, with observation and healthy scepticism, then why the main reliance on credulity? C'mon! Haven't you heard of good old fashioned 'Catholic guilt'? They love it! They get off on it! Good Catholic's lives are riddled with it in a competitive guilt fest. The whole scenario is run by the power of emotional blackmail, conditional love and fear. In an unwinnable situation all the 'good Catholics' get to show off who is the most pious, who prays the most, who kowtows, genuflects and even flagellates ( not to be confused with fellates) more. HOWEVER, touch your own penis in lust? Not even Hail Mary can save your immortal soul... genuflect genuflect genuflect ...Amen These 'good Catholics' don't sound like members of the parish I go to when I attend mass.
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Post by goz on May 16, 2018 23:50:06 GMT
C'mon! Haven't you heard of good old fashioned 'Catholic guilt'? They love it! They get off on it! Good Catholic's lives are riddled with it in a competitive guilt fest. The whole scenario is run by the power of emotional blackmail, conditional love and fear. In an unwinnable situation all the 'good Catholics' get to show off who is the most pious, who prays the most, who kowtows, genuflects and even flagellates ( not to be confused with fellates) more. HOWEVER, touch your own penis in lust? Not even Hail Mary can save your immortal soul... genuflect genuflect genuflect ...Amen These 'good Catholics' don't sound like members of the parish I go to when I attend mass. Great! Good to hear! You keep saying this and it gives me hope for mankind, everywhere!
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on May 17, 2018 2:10:02 GMT
Eva Yojimbo Firstly, the passage is talking about sexual immorality. The bible doesn’t say sex isn’t healthy. Secondly, what if they’re harming themselves? 1) There's nothing immoral about consensual sexual relationships unless one party is being dishonestly unfaithful. 2) Depends on what kind of harm we're talking about: S&M where you might get some bruises? No problem. An obsessive addiction where you don't do anything else? Then maybe there's a problem; but that doesn't describe many people.
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Post by Vegas on May 17, 2018 12:59:33 GMT
When was masturbation evil? When you are doing it in the middle of your nephew's bar mitzva.
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Post by OldSamVimes on May 17, 2018 13:12:59 GMT
When was masturbation evil? When you are doing it in the middle of your nephew's bar mitzva. Also frowned upon when you're outside someone's house at night.
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Post by goz on May 17, 2018 22:46:41 GMT
When you are doing it in the middle of your nephew's bar mitzva. Also frowned upon when you're outside someone's house at night. ...for green eggs and ham...read 'masturbation'...or as 'IT'
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 22:27:50 GMT
Sin is usually a by-product of self-gratification. For it is written: “So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.”Galatians 5:16-21 Amazing bit of scripture. Take heed boys and girls. Are you trying to tell us you never self-gratified? Can you say h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e?
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Post by goz on Jun 7, 2018 0:11:34 GMT
I have a guilty secret to confess. when I quote myself on here I get all tingly in speshul places
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