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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Sept 25, 2018 15:58:41 GMT
You're giving Lucas way too much credit with the prequel trilogy. you are giving your brain way to little credit, pussycat. Eg the spaceship evolution-design example comes directly from Lucas himself in the audio commentary of Ep II. Enlighten yourself. I'm sure it was his intention and all much like with a lot of ideas and supposedly themes/allegories, but none of it really works in the prequels. Just because you have an idea, doesn't mean it's a good one.
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 25, 2018 16:01:57 GMT
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Sept 25, 2018 16:04:41 GMT
you are giving your brain way to little credit, pussycat. Eg the spaceship evolution-design example comes directly from Lucas himself in the audio commentary of Ep II. Enlighten yourself. I'm sure it was his intention and all much like with a lot of ideas and supposedly themes/allegories, but none of it really works in the prequels. Just because you have an idea, doesn't mean it's a good one.no it doesn't, in Lucas' case it's a brilliant one. Relevant, unique and original. Clearly distinguishing his work from the common blockbuster junk food for kids, visually and narratively.
Thus, why they call Lucas an "ideas-man" and a "brilliant storyteller" at worst or a genius at best.
He is all of it.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Sept 25, 2018 16:31:37 GMT
I'm sure it was his intention and all much like with a lot of ideas and supposedly themes/allegories, but none of it really works in the prequels. Just because you have an idea, doesn't mean it's a good one.no it doesn't, in Lucas' case it's a brilliant one. Relevant, unique and original. Clearly distinguishing his work from the common blockbuster junk food for kids, visually and narratively.
Thus, why they call Lucas an "ideas-man" and a "brilliant storyteller" at worst or a genius at best.
He is all of it.
You are kidding, right? This is the man who took Darth Vader, a great tragic character, and essentially turned him into a whiney little bitch. I grew up with the prequels first myself, and I understand those who enjoy them, and while they're entertaining in places, they lack depth and emotion and are meaningless and even I know they will never be as good as the original ones. Revenge of the Sith is really the only one you need to watch if you really want to know what happened before the original films, but even then, you don't need to know though.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Sept 25, 2018 17:40:44 GMT
Its especially ridiculous when he starts spinning around.
Totally blows the "wars don't make one great" Yoda.
The image of him standing on the military transport with the storm troopers--its like the dalai lama standing on an aircraft carrier.
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Post by Jedan Archer on Sept 26, 2018 6:49:04 GMT
Its especially ridiculous when he starts spinning around. Totally blows the "wars don't make one great" Yoda. The image of him standing on the military transport with the storm troopers--its like the dalai lama standing on an aircraft carrier. Nonsense. Unlike the Dalai Lama the Jedi were defined as generals of the Clone Wars since Ep IV. Yoda's line is a consequence of his experience with the war he fought in and "failed" in. You would have preferred him as passive muppet cracking fortune cookie wisdom while others fight? Fine. But at least make a sound argument.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Sept 26, 2018 7:08:08 GMT
Nonsense. Unlike the Dalai Lama the Jedi were defined as generals of the Clone Wars since Ep IV. Yoda's line is a consequence of his experience with the war he fought in and "failed" in. You would have preferred him as passive muppet cracking fortune cookie wisdom while others fight? Fine. But at least make a sound argument. I am going by what's in the 1980 film concerning Yoda, not your interpretation.
Just because we had a "General Kenobi" doesn't mean Yoda was. He was never called General Yoda unless you can point it out. He was presented as a non-violent kind of fellow, for all we know he never left Dagobah ever.
What sort of military training did Yoda give Luke? Did they jump off a cliff to simulate an air drop?
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Post by Jedan Archer on Sept 26, 2018 19:07:15 GMT
Nonsense. Unlike the Dalai Lama the Jedi were defined as generals of the Clone Wars since Ep IV. Yoda's line is a consequence of his experience with the war he fought in and "failed" in. You would have preferred him as passive muppet cracking fortune cookie wisdom while others fight? Fine. But at least make a sound argument. I am going by what's in the 1980 film concerning Yoda, not your interpretation.
Just because we had a "General Kenobi" doesn't mean Yoda was.
Haha, my interpretation! Let's check the movies, yes? * They are called Jedi Knights (not monks) using deadly weapons for a reason. *They were the Guardians of Peace and Justice, a galactic police force, not monks. This is why they were wiped out by the Empire... * And you think Yoda did some fitness training with Luke, running around? What about this line: " Stopped they must be...Only a fully trained Jedi Knight with the Force as his ally will conquer Vader and his Emperor. " Still think it was about meditating and lifting rocks...? * Or what about the fact they both lied to Luke. Pitting him against Vader without telling Luke that he is his father, not his father's murderer. Yoda and Ben did not even tell when Luke ran off into Vader's obvious trap. Worst mentors ever. That's in your head kid, we know nothing as this was never indicated. Maybe he became a passive aggressive muppet pacifist only because of the of war horrors? That's not how proof works. You gotta prove that (unlike Ben) Yoda was not a General too, so to prove Lucas wrong, the storyteller and inventor of this world (lolz). But I can point out your fanfiction versions of the prequels, get ready: Boy am I glad that these films were not written by amateur fanfiction know-it-alls but George Lucas….
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Sept 26, 2018 19:19:29 GMT
Yoda was NEVER called a Jedi Knight. Let's see you find a quote that contradicts that. He was called Jedi Master.
Yoda seems to have been based on the monks in KUNG FU-who are not shown to be fighters.
And before you say- but Obi Wan Kenobi was training Jedis too--yeah he did--one, and it went badly.
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Post by Jedan Archer on Sept 26, 2018 19:28:44 GMT
Yoda was NEVER called a Jedi Knight. Let's see you find a quote that contradicts that. He was called Jedi Master.
Yoda seems to have been based on the monks in KUNG FU-who are not shown to be fighters.
And before you say- but Obi Wan Kenobi was training Jedis too--yeah he did--one, and it went badly. At least you remain true to your fanfiction. How could Lucas or I fight so much vivid imagination. You win Star Wars, kid.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Sept 26, 2018 19:48:44 GMT
At least you remain true to your fanfiction. How could Lucas or I fight so much vivid imagination. You win Star Wars, kid. I am sure Lucas is thrilled to have someone like you as his champion. I think YOU win Star Wars, son.
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 27, 2018 16:04:34 GMT
I think I’m going to take a look at Revenge of the Sith tonight.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Sept 27, 2018 21:28:58 GMT
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 28, 2018 2:45:55 GMT
OK, kids, I know it’s late, but I’m putting on Episode III… Here goes!
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Sept 28, 2018 2:49:55 GMT
Be strong!
Actually, I think the scene where they are about to fight (I think Padme is talking) is probably the one scene in the entire prequels that felt like a real movie. I heard that Coppola gave some advice to Lucas on the film.
The Red Letter Media people do a superb impression of General Grievous being offered pantaloons by the Emperor.
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 28, 2018 2:51:33 GMT
This is all CGI, but it’s impressive, huge-scale CGI… It also feels more like Star Wars, the original, and its climactic battle. I kinda like being thrown right into the battle.
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 28, 2018 2:54:27 GMT
Every time Anakin says “master,” I think of Barbara Eden saying it in I Dream of Jeannie… Yeah, not sure, but so far (only 7 min. in, admittedly!) this feels more like the originals than the other two did.
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 28, 2018 2:55:17 GMT
A TRAP! IT’S A TRAP!
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 28, 2018 3:00:03 GMT
I could watch Chris Lee ham it up in anything.
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 28, 2018 3:04:31 GMT
And Chris is gone. Pfui. First Cushing, then Yoda, then Neeson, then Lee. They die off so fast…
So this scene with Chancellor EVILEVILEVILDIDIMENTIONI’MEVIL is a clear cross-reference to Return of the Jedi, except that Anakin makes the wrong choice (to kill) rather than the right choice, which Luke made. I like the parallelism there.
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