|
Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 18, 2017 15:05:14 GMT
If you're a Christian, do you understand the reasons people don't accept your beliefs as true?
What reasons, if any, do you hear that are the most compelling reasons people give for not believing?
When you hear about ideas of possible natural explanations for something like the universe including plausible ideas like quantum fluctuation or a compressed temporal state, do you consider them, and if you do, what if one of them turned out to be true?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 15:07:16 GMT
What reasons, if any, do you hear that are the most compelling reasons people give not to believe? Is the answer... Ada's posts on this very forum?
|
|
|
Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 18, 2017 15:34:40 GMT
It doesn't matter.
|
|
|
Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 18, 2017 16:11:09 GMT
Wouldn't considering objections and/or being able to provide a rational answer be important?
If somebody cast doubt on something I believe, I would either take the objection into serious consideration and study about it in case I was wrong, or I would have already studied about that particular concern and would be able to provide a rational response.
|
|
|
Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 18, 2017 16:15:28 GMT
Wouldn't considering objections and/or being able to provide a rational answer be important?
If somebody cast doubt on something I believe, I would either take the objection into serious consideration and study about it in case I was wrong, or I would have already studied about that particular concern and would be able to provide a rational response.
What are your objections?
|
|
|
Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 18, 2017 17:17:26 GMT
What are your objections? That there is no supporting evidence on which to base the belief.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 17:39:22 GMT
When I used to be a Christian I remember still understanding why people didn't believe in God, and a lot do the times I would find myself relating to their point of views when it simply came down to the fact there is no evidence of God and most of times or even really all the time it never felt like God was ever personally part of our lives, and I learned that to be that way with my life.
My perspective of God was a bit different back then so when people didn't believe in God I just took that as becasue they never took the the time or got the chance to form a relationship with God, so I understood that would make it easy for them not to think he even existed. Now I know that doesn't really make much sense
|
|
|
Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 18, 2017 17:43:09 GMT
What are your objections? That there is no supporting evidence on which to base the belief. So you object to everything that doesn't have supporting evidence? OK, now what am I supposed to do with that information?
|
|
|
Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 18, 2017 19:52:02 GMT
So you object to everything that doesn't have supporting evidence? Yes. Is there any reason to accept things that don't have supporting evidence? Do you accept things that don't have supporting evidence?
And if you care if your beliefs are actually true, you postpone believing anything that doesn't have sufficient supporting evidence, until such evidence is available.
|
|
|
Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 18, 2017 19:58:46 GMT
Of course not involuntarily, but that's a different subject from this: If they give reasons, but in the end it doesn't matter. You seem to think we should view other people's view of something as more important than our own views and I can;t quite figure out why you think that's the case. For that matter, I don;t understand why yu would care what we think about you anyway. Are you lonely? Of course. Everybody does except for you and others of your ilk who make this whacky argument. I have never met anyone that requires everything they adhere to to be lab tested. I have never rejected anything that had substantial evidence.
|
|
|
Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 18, 2017 20:08:59 GMT
Of course. Everybody does except for you and others of your ilk who make this whacky argument. I have never met anyone that requires everything they adhere to to be lab tested. I'm not saying it has to be lab tested.
For instance, I believe my brother is still living with his fiance' in Detroit. I haven't been up there in months, but the evidence is that I hear her in the background when I talk on the phone, they talk about planning to move together and marry soon, and since it's a fairly mundane claim, I accept it with that level of evidence.
Conversely, when gravity was first claimed to be caused not by mass, but by the warping of space, yes that needed to be researched and confirmed. Likewise if you're going to claim that quantum fluctuation, temporal distortion, a god, etc best explains the origin of the universe, then yes, you need a lot of well researched and well demonstrated evidence to support such a claim.
That isn't a wacky argument. It's called being rational. If the people you meet believe things without adhering to sufficient evidence, then they are believing them without a rational justification, and it is those beliefs that you should be recognizing as the whacky positions to hold.
|
|
squeaky
Freshman
@squeaky
Posts: 86
Likes: 14
|
Post by squeaky on Mar 18, 2017 20:13:58 GMT
There's no evidence of God? Why wasn't I told?
|
|
|
Post by phludowin on Mar 18, 2017 20:18:36 GMT
So you object to everything that doesn't have supporting evidence? Yes. Is there any reason to accept things that don't have supporting evidence? Do you accept things that don't have supporting evidence?
And if you care if your beliefs are actually true, you postpone believing anything that doesn't have sufficient supporting evidence, until such evidence is available.
And again I raise the question you failed to answer in a satisfactory way in the countless threads you have already created on this subject: Why should anybody base their beliefs on evidence? Or to put in another way: What's wrong with living a delusion, if it makes the believer happy? Another thing: Truth is relative, and so is evidence.
|
|
londonbird
Sophomore
@londonbird
Posts: 250
Likes: 82
|
Post by londonbird on Mar 18, 2017 20:38:52 GMT
If you're a Christian, do you understand the reasons people don't accept your beliefs as true?
What reasons, if any, do you hear that are the most compelling reasons people give for not believing?
When you hear about ideas of possible natural explanations for something like the universe including plausible ideas like quantum fluctuation or a compressed temporal state, do you consider them, and if you do, what if one of them turned out to be true? I neither ask nor care if people believe or understand my belief system as IMO it is private and I try not to force my moral code onto others and I certainly lay try not to judge. My atheist friends have never really given me a reason for not believing. As to the last question I see no reason why evolution, the Big Bang and all other theoretical physics cannot be married to having a belief system. To think otherwise is, again, my opinion, rather small minded and egotistical.
|
|
|
Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 18, 2017 20:40:10 GMT
Why should anybody base their beliefs on evidence? Or to put in another way: What's wrong with living a delusion, if it makes the believer happy? Another thing: Truth is relative, and so is evidence. Truth is demonstrated. It's not relative.
And why should anybody base their beliefs on evidence? Because of education, because of 9/11, because of witch burnings, because of homeopathy, because of "seed" money fleecing, because of the constant conflict in the middle east, because of thinking gays are evil, because of subjugating women, because of killings over cartoons of mohammed, because of the Paris attacks, because of the Orlando night club shootings, because of abortion clinic bombings, because of cults, because of denying genuine knowledge discovered by years of research.
I don't really know why you need to ask the question, unless you really find the progress we have made through learning to be as appealing or even less appealing than living in the ancient world where ignorance and superstition were how people lived.
|
|
|
Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 18, 2017 20:41:11 GMT
There's no evidence of God? Why wasn't I told? I didn't know you needed to be told.
Are you aware of any evidence?
|
|
|
Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 18, 2017 20:43:59 GMT
I neither ask nor care if people believe or understand my belief system as IMO it is private. I never understand this.
Why is it private? Is there some reason you don't want to discuss it?
I never hide my beliefs under the label that they are private, and am happy to share them, so seriously, what is the point of saying they are private?
|
|
londonbird
Sophomore
@londonbird
Posts: 250
Likes: 82
|
Post by londonbird on Mar 18, 2017 20:51:32 GMT
I neither ask nor care if people believe or understand my belief system as IMO it is private. I never understand this.
Why is it private? Is there some reason you don't want to discuss it?
I never hide my beliefs under the label that they are private, and am happy to share them, so seriously, what is the point of saying they are private?
I believe I explained that in my post. It's private to me, I don't force it on others and I certainly do not expect others to live by my moral code. people know where I stand on religion but I don't see why I have to justify it to anyone.
|
|
islandmur
Sophomore
All religions have messages of peace and love yet all religions are used for wars and hatred...
@islandmur
Posts: 320
Likes: 180
|
Post by islandmur on Mar 18, 2017 21:01:52 GMT
Wouldn't considering objections and/or being able to provide a rational answer be important?
If somebody cast doubt on something I believe, I would either take the objection into serious consideration and study about it in case I was wrong, or I would have already studied about that particular concern and would be able to provide a rational response.
Really? Let's say you had an experience of the awakening / spiritual kind and that is what you based your beliefs on, an actual event that happened to you. Why on earth would people casting doubt on you shake your beliefs?
|
|
|
Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 18, 2017 21:05:52 GMT
I don't see why I have to justify it to anyone. If you care about whether your beliefs are true or not, I don't see why you wouldn't want to justify to everyone. After all if you can't justify it, then why do you believe it? And why create an excuse that it's private?
|
|