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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 19, 2017 16:02:17 GMT
When posting your anecdotes you were asked by several people, myself including, if you can prove that they are true, the only response you gave is "You like to pretend theists don't behave like that". Can you be more specific?
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Post by Jonesy1 on Mar 19, 2017 16:07:02 GMT
When posting your anecdotes you were asked by several people, myself including, if you can prove that they are true, the only response you gave is "You like to pretend theists don't behave like that". Can you be more specific? I think I was specific enough.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 19, 2017 16:08:59 GMT
I think I was specific enough. Translation, you were making stuff up. Come back when you've got a better troll.
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Post by Jonesy1 on Mar 19, 2017 16:10:50 GMT
I think I was specific enough. Translation, you were making stuff up. Come back when you've got a better troll. Translation, you're avoiding again.
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Post by phludowin on Mar 19, 2017 16:15:25 GMT
The following are single word answer questions.
1. Which type of decision making process will more often lead to productive solutions? Rational or Irrational 2. Which type of decision making process will more often lead to destructive actions? Rational or Irrational And the answer, in both cases, is: Rational.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 19, 2017 16:20:23 GMT
The following are single word answer questions.
1. Which type of decision making process will more often lead to productive solutions? Rational or Irrational 2. Which type of decision making process will more often lead to destructive actions? Rational or Irrational And the answer, in both cases, is: Rational. No. Irrational thoughts clearly more often lead to destructive actions, because they do not reflect reality. I could list examples forever.
It's exactly why we lock psychotics up. And yet, you're trying to act like being irrational is just perfectly fine.
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Post by phludowin on Mar 19, 2017 16:52:26 GMT
And the answer, in both cases, is: Rational. No. Irrational thoughts clearly more often lead to destructive actions, because they do not reflect reality. I could list examples forever. I can list up examples of deeds that were all planned rationally and let to hundreds of thousands of deaths. World War II Pearl Harbor 9/11 You are not going to convince me that these deeds were planned irrationally, or for irrational purposes.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 19, 2017 17:48:14 GMT
I can list up examples of deeds that were all planned rationally and let to hundreds of thousands of deaths. World War II Pearl Harbor 9/11 You are not going to convince me that these deeds were planned irrationally, or for irrational purposes. 9/11 is clearly irrational, as was Hitler's Jewish extermination, along with Japan's takeover of China.
I'm glad you brought it up though because stopping WWII, prevented countless more death, so rational thought ended it.
You are conflating making decisions with rational thought.
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Post by phludowin on Mar 19, 2017 18:08:49 GMT
9/11 is clearly irrational, as was Hitler's Jewish extermination, along with Japan's takeover of China. All of these actions took lots of planning, and this planning was rationally conducted. I don't believe the Holocaust or 9/11 could have been carried out without rational planning and execution.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 19, 2017 18:13:59 GMT
All of these actions took lots of planning, and this planning was rationally conducted. I don't believe the Holocaust or 9/11 could have been carried out without rational planning and execution. planning does not equal rational thought.
I can plan to jump off a building thinking I can fly. But that isn't rational.
You're conflating those two ideas, and they aren't the same.
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Post by phludowin on Mar 19, 2017 18:25:42 GMT
planning does not equal rational thought. Wrong. Planning IS rational thought. I don't even know if it is possible to plan without using rationality. That would be improvising, and can sometimes lead to good results (like in sports). But nothing was improvised about the Holocaust, Pearl Harbor, or 9/11. I can plan to jump off a building thinking I can fly. But that isn't rational. You need to know how to get on the building, how to access the roof, and how to jump. I doubt you can improvise all of these.
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Post by cupcakes on Mar 19, 2017 18:31:03 GMT
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 19, 2017 18:43:22 GMT
planning does not equal rational thought. Wrong. Planning IS rational thought. I don't even know if it is possible to plan without using rationality. That would be improvising, and can sometimes lead to good results (like in sports). But nothing was improvised about the Holocaust, Pearl Harbor, or 9/11. I can plan to jump off a building thinking I can fly. But that isn't rational. You need to know how to get on the building, how to access the roof, and how to jump. I doubt you can improvise all of these. I just explained why you're wrong.
I can plan to jump off a building based on thinking I can fly. That doesn't make it rational.
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Post by phludowin on Mar 19, 2017 19:04:57 GMT
I just explained why you're wrong.
I can plan to jump off a building based on thinking I can fly. That doesn't make it rational. And I just explained that I was talking about the execution of the plan. The motivation is something else. Rationality is a tool. You can choose to use it. When executing a plan, it's useful; but sometimes it's better not to use it at the only tool. And if it's true for the execution, it may also be true for the planning.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 19, 2017 19:08:46 GMT
And I just explained that I was talking about the execution of the plan. The motivation is something else. Rationality is a tool. You can choose to use it. When executing a plan, it's useful; but sometimes it's better not to use it at the only tool. And if it's true for the execution, it may also be true for the planning. Great, so you can see and agree the motivation is irrational.
And so are religious beliefs.
Trying to sell that as a tool doesn't make them true.
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Post by phludowin on Mar 19, 2017 19:12:49 GMT
Great, so you can see and agree the motivation is irrational.
And so are religious beliefs.
Trying to sell that as a tool doesn't make them true.
The motivation is irrelevant. It's the outcome that's important. People may choose to go to a concert because they like the music played there, but can not explain rationally why. So what? In the end, they rationally buy a ticket, rationally go to the concert hall, and have an irrationally great time enjoying the music. And there's nothing wrong with it. Just like there are people who enjoy practising a religion.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 19, 2017 19:15:15 GMT
Great, so you can see and agree the motivation is irrational.
And so are religious beliefs.
Trying to sell that as a tool doesn't make them true.
The motivation is irrelevant. It's the outcome that's important. People may choose to go to a concert because they like the music played there, but can not explain rationally why. So what? In the end, they rationally buy a ticket, rationally go to the concert hall, and have an irrationally great time enjoying the music. And there's nothing wrong with it. Just like there are people who enjoy practising a religion. Wrong.
The motivation is everything. People make decisions based on what they believe.
All you're saying is the ends always justify the means. No.
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Post by phludowin on Mar 19, 2017 19:23:43 GMT
So you say. So you say. So you say. But since you failed to offer a rational explanation for any of these claims, I'll just say that we have to agree to disagree here.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 19, 2017 19:26:42 GMT
So you say. But since you failed to offer a rational explanation for any of these claims, I'll just say that we have to agree to disagree here. I'm not agreeing to disagree. You already admitted the decision to jump off a building because you think you can fly is irrational.
What makes believing in a god more rational? Answer that.
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Post by phludowin on Mar 19, 2017 19:30:47 GMT
I'm not agreeing to disagree. You already admitted the decision to jump off a building because you think you can fly is irrational.
What makes believing in a god more rational? Answer that.
Why does the decision have to be rational? Rhethorical question. Answer: It doesn't.
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