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Post by damngumby on Jun 21, 2018 13:56:54 GMT
Economy booming ... Satisfaction with the USA at a 12 year high ... Trump approval rating holding steady ... The Democrats throwing everything but the kitchen sink at the Teflon Donald to no avail ... Liberals still haven't figured out that 24/7 hysteria is not a good plan ...
I smell landslide in 2020.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 21, 2018 14:36:26 GMT
Economy booming ... Satisfaction with the USA at a 12 year high ... Trump approval rating holding steady ... The Democrats throwing everything but the kitchen sink at the Teflon Donald to no avail ... Liberals still haven't figured out that 24/7 hysteria is not a good plan ... I smell landslide in 2020. That's what got Trump elected, 24/7 hysteria from conservatives. The left just needs to figure out what the swing voters want to hear and this time run someone with less baggage and any semblance of a personality.
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Post by damngumby on Jun 21, 2018 15:07:00 GMT
Economy booming ... Satisfaction with the USA at a 12 year high ... Trump approval rating holding steady ... The Democrats throwing everything but the kitchen sink at the Teflon Donald to no avail ... Liberals still haven't figured out that 24/7 hysteria is not a good plan ... I smell landslide in 2020. That's what got Trump elected, 24/7 hysteria from conservatives. The left just needs to figure out what the swing voters want to hear and this time run someone with less baggage and any semblance of a personality. I don't recall any widespread conservative hysteria. It was all quiet on the western front for the most part. That's part of the reason Trumps victory can as such a shock. Folks were fed up with the way the country was going and quietly voted for the only candidate who understood their concerns. (This is where a liberal usually chimes in with some condescending snark, belittling half the country, and all but guaranteeing a 2nd Trump term.)
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jun 21, 2018 15:10:09 GMT
That's what got Trump elected, 24/7 hysteria from conservatives. The left just needs to figure out what the swing voters want to hear and this time run someone with less baggage and any semblance of a personality. I don't recall any widespread conservative hysteria. It was all quiet on the western front for the most part. AHAhahahAHAhAhahahhahAHHAhhaAhahhaAhhHAHHAHAHaaa
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Post by damngumby on Jun 21, 2018 15:45:03 GMT
AHAhahahAHAhAhahahhahAHHAhhaAhahhaAhhHAHHAHAHaaa Sounds more like this ...
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jun 21, 2018 15:46:12 GMT
AHAhahahAHAhAhahahhahAHHAhhaAhahhaAhhHAHHAHAHaaa Sounds more like this ... True. That is what conservatives sounded like for 8 years, you're right.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 21, 2018 16:04:42 GMT
That's what got Trump elected, 24/7 hysteria from conservatives. The left just needs to figure out what the swing voters want to hear and this time run someone with less baggage and any semblance of a personality. I don't recall any widespread conservative hysteria. It was all quiet on the western front for the most part. That's part of the reason Trumps victory can as such a shock. Folks were fed up with the way the country was going and quietly voted for the only candidate who understood their concerns. (This is where a liberal usually chimes in with some condescending snark, belittling half the country, and all but guaranteeing a 2nd Trump term.) All those Trump supporters who threatened 'Civil War' if Trump lost were quietly going about their business? You would know hysteria better than most. Your second amendment argument hinges on being prepared for a Deep State takeover of the country and you constantly bicker with everyone on the comic book boards. You ever referred to your battle with alleged trolls as "fighting the good fight," and compared people with opposing viewpoints to a dog shitting on your lawn. You constantly lobby to get other users banned from the site because you don't like what they have to say, it's no wonder you're a Trump supporter. I agree with you on one point. I think Trump will win in 2020. I think the country has gone that far off the rails and I don't see a viable candidate emerging from the left. Trump controls the narrative in the media; even when he's being ridiculed his message is being disseminated. It's how he got elected the first time. The clincher for me was when I came to this realization recently and presented a Trump reelection theory to my wife. She said, "But everyone thinks he's a joke." That's what everyone said two years ago. As long as he can speak to people with privilege who think the world is against them (like guys imagining they're "minutemen with AR-15s," or 'fighting the good fight' on comic book boards), he has a much larger base than most political analysts appear to acknowledge. I don't think you're a moron or a racist redneck with a banjo and four teeth. I just disagree with your politics and can't for the life of me figure out why you're so angry with people who aren't like you or don't think like you.
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Post by NJtoTX on Jun 21, 2018 16:22:49 GMT
Economy booming ... Satisfaction with the USA at a 12 year high ... Trump approval rating holding steady ... The Democrats throwing everything but the kitchen sink at the Teflon Donald to no avail ... Liberals still haven't figured out that 24/7 hysteria is not a good plan ... I smell landslide in 2020. Satisfaction was 38%, pre-border-fiasco - let's see how his approval ratings go. Though the right will pooh pooh them, anyway. Wall Street DJIA down over 300 points for the year.
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Post by damngumby on Jun 21, 2018 16:58:49 GMT
you constantly bicker with everyone on the comic book boards. You ever referred to your battle with alleged trolls as "fighting the good fight," and compared people with opposing viewpoints to a dog shitting on your lawn. You constantly lobby to get other users banned from the site because you don't like what they have to say, it's no wonder you're a Trump supporter. I don't think defending DC-fan and his trolling ways is where you want to go with this, Ace. If you don't think the Left has gone ape-shit loco over Trump, that's fine by me. The less self aware an opponent is, the better. I still think Trump is a joke. He's a bull in a china shop, smashing political norms and driving his enemies out of their collective minds. I laugh every time I think about how it took a Donald Trump to pull aside the curtain and exposed our political class as a bunch of ineffectual entitled children. As long as he doesn't blow anyone up (I believe the Left hysteria over a nuclear war with N. Korea has run it's course), I view his presidency as a political palate cleanser. Cleansing with Borax. Are you angry because you disagree with me? Why do you think I am angry because I disagree with you?
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Post by bluerisk on Jun 21, 2018 17:01:58 GMT
In an age where justification for detaining kids in cages and ripping them away from their families goes on, alongside daily lying, disinfo and increased isolationism. Where is the line, if there is one? I guess nothing matters anymore, bring back public executions, actually start crimes against humanity and kill the illegal immigrants, let corruption run rife, go back to using dirty natural resources and further ruin the environment for not only America but the world. But hey who cares, facts don't exist, anything can be justified and anything goes, trumps America! After he has reversed the constitution and aliens (those from outta space) have made him immortal: to no end.
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Post by DSDSquared on Jun 21, 2018 17:04:44 GMT
Jesus the anti-Trump people are the biggest morons in politics right now. They have no concern for facts and just assume that it is common knowledge that Trump is a disaster as Commander in Chief, when the actual results show quite the opposite. The fact is that Trump has done more for this country in a year and a half than Obama did in 8 years. Look at this very thread. What are you outraged about? This immigration problem with the children separation has been going on since 1997. No one seemed to care, but now it is mysteriously Trump's fault. The picture that showed the kids in cages that sparked outrage was from 2014, during Obama's Presidency. He is actually doing something about this now and people still complain.
I ask the same question every time I run into an anti-Trump person and they can never answer it. What, exactly, about Trump's actual policies do you disagree with? I am not asking if you like him or think he says dumb things (he does). I am not going out and having a beer with this dude. Obama was better spoken and a much nicer guy, but he was all talk and didn't accomplish anything of worth in 8 years. Trump actually gets results and it shows in our new foreign trade, our economy, the stock market, the unemployment rate, etc.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jun 21, 2018 17:25:10 GMT
Jesus the anti-Trump people are the biggest morons in politics right now. They have no concern for facts and just assume that it is common knowledge that Trump is a disaster as Commander in Chief, when the actual results show quite the opposite. The fact is that Trump has done more for this country in a year and a half than Obama did in 8 years. Look at this very thread. What are you outraged about? This immigration problem with the children separation has been going on since 1997. No one seemed to care, but now it is mysteriously Trump's fault. The picture that showed the kids in cages that sparked outrage was from 2014, during Obama's Presidency. He is actually doing something about this now and people still complain. I ask the same question every time I run into an anti-Trump person and they can never answer it. What, exactly, about Trump's actual policies do you disagree with? I am not asking if you like him or think he says dumb things (he does). I am not going out and having a beer with this dude. Obama was better spoken and a much nicer guy, but he was all talk and didn't accomplish anything of worth in 8 years. Trump actually gets results and it shows in our new foreign trade, our economy, the stock market, the unemployment rate, etc. You keep repeating that mantra, it's one I see on Fox News repeatedly, yet when we discussed the election results you kept saying how Obama did a solid job even if there were things you disagreed with. Which is it? Obama didn't accomplish anything in 8 years? Really, not a single thing. Nothing related reducing unemployment, reducing the deficit, cutting down illegal immigration, cutting down pollution in major cities........In what universe is saying that (along with "Obama and Hillary hate and want to destroy America") any different than twitter outrage against Trump. It's 2 sides of the same coin. You don't see me spouting baseless outrage against politicians I don't like, yet you are casting aspersions against those who do that against Trump (rightly so, I'll give you) but in the very next breath do basically the same exact thing. As to your query on Trump policies, I've answered this before and it's usually met with crickets but here goes again (and I said these very things leading up to the election as well). This isn't a Trump thing, it's a general Republican party policy. The Republicans are the party of tax cuts and de-regulation. Are there benefits? Absolutely, albeit they tend to be short-term positives. Cutting taxes temporarily puts a little more money in everyone's pockets. That's great.....but economic policies have long-lasting results, not just 6 months' worth of celebrations before assuming that everything is fine. The reality is, and history has shown this time and time again, both in this country and in others, is that cutting taxes without cutting spending (which is exactly what this administration did), creates costs and guess who is going to cover those costs? It's going to be you, me and the others on this thread, unless they are billionaires. When that happens, be it in 2019 or 2020, it's going to create a situation not all that dissimilar to 2007 and 2008. Obviously I hope this doesn't happen, so I ask that I not be attacked for being a "liberal praying for a plane crash" or whatever. That wouldn't be a good thing for anyone, but the truth is that the tax plan was a snow job on the middle class. One year of a nice return and they will end up turning around and paying it all back and then some to pay for the cost of it while the billionaires laugh all the way to the bank. I hope I'm wrong but this same type of policy, when implemented in the past, hasn't had great long term results. Ever. On to deregulation. This is one area where I'm on the fence. I work with banks, with FINRA regulated brokers, with some public companies on their SEC reports and deregulation is always a little easier on those types of entities. Less paperwork, less red tape, reduced costs of compliance, lower auditing standards, that's all great in some ways because they can make more money. However, the side effect is that you get predatory lending, more people getting mortgages that can't afford them if the market were to downturn, more people getting screwed by wealth managers, increased fraud and market manipulation as the result of reduced auditing requirements, etc. Now the token response from the right is personal responsibility, don't get a mortgage if you can't afford one. That's all great, but when the bank says "sure, you can absolutely afford this," people assume that they aren't going to lose their jobs or that the value of the home won't plummet. It's all fine until the net effect of tax cuts and maintained spending causes the value of their home to plummet and their taxes increase to cover the shortfall (and they're the ones whose taxes are going to go up the most). The cutting back necessitated by the economic downturn resulting from previously reduced taxes without a corresponding reduction in spending will hurt those people the most when they lose their jobs and can't make their monthly nut on their house that is now worth 50% less than what they paid for it. These things work together as a life cycle. Putting it together means another setback after the midterms.
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Post by mangekyoalleluia on Jun 21, 2018 17:25:34 GMT
In an age where justification for detaining kids in cages and ripping them away from their families goes on, alongside daily lying, disinfo and increased isolationism. Where is the line, if there is one? I guess nothing matters anymore, bring back public executions, actually start crimes against humanity and kill the illegal immigrants, let corruption run rife, go back to using dirty natural resources and further ruin the environment for not only America but the world. But hey who cares, facts don't exist, anything can be justified and anything goes, trumps America! After he has reversed the constitution and aliens (those from outta space) have made him immortal: to no end. Wrong, the repubs will have him out of their quicker than he can drop a hat if he goes for their guns hard.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 21, 2018 17:51:15 GMT
you constantly bicker with everyone on the comic book boards. You ever referred to your battle with alleged trolls as "fighting the good fight," and compared people with opposing viewpoints to a dog shitting on your lawn. You constantly lobby to get other users banned from the site because you don't like what they have to say, it's no wonder you're a Trump supporter. I don't think defending DC-fan and his trolling ways is where you want to go with this, Ace. If you don't think the Left has gone ape-shit loco over Trump, that's fine by me. The less self aware an opponent is, the better. I still think Trump is a joke. He's a bull in a china shop, smashing political norms and driving his enemies out of their collective minds. I laugh every time I think about how it took a Donald Trump to pull aside the curtain and exposed our political class as a bunch of ineffectual entitled children. As long as he doesn't blow anyone up (I believe the Left hysteria over a nuclear war with N. Korea has run it's course), I view his presidency as a political palate cleanser. Cleansing with Borax. Are you angry because you disagree with me? Why do you think I am angry because I disagree with you? First, I never said the left hasn't gone berserk over Trump; they have, and rightfully so. I simply pointed out your 'lack of awareness' when you suggested it was "24/7 hysteria" that's holding the left back, as if hysteria was exclusive to one faction. Also, I'm an 'opponent' now? Not just a dude with a different point of view? Secondly, while I agree the American political system has serious issues, Trump is the epitome of an entitled manchild. Supporting him isn't even a political pyrrhic victory; it exposes the failings of the system while allowing them to be exploited by people far worse than their predecessors. It's dangerous on every level. Finally, I didn't say you were angry with me. But I know you're angry with the world for the reasons I've already pointed out. You view people on message boards as 'opponents' and have gone on at length in the past about how "people who hate America want to change it into something it isn't," even though change is what America has always been about. You say you aren't angry and yet you come to these forums almost exclusively to argue with people. It's just my opinion, but lobbying to get people banned from message boards because they don't like Marvel movies-- and calling it "fighting the good fight,"-- makes you seem a little angry. Viewing me as an 'opponent' as if there's a trophy, a title or even a definitive resolution to our disagreement is also a sign you're taking this too seriously.
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Post by bluerisk on Jun 21, 2018 18:06:13 GMT
After he has reversed the constitution and aliens (those from outta space) have made him immortal: to no end. Wrong, the repubs will have him out of their quicker than he can drop a hat if he goes for their guns hard. The space aliens will solve this problem too - for Trump.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 18:29:37 GMT
Oh I'm sure he can go a lot lower yet.
Him being caught bumming a horse wouldn't surprise me.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jun 21, 2018 19:05:11 GMT
You keep repeating that mantra, it's one I see on Fox News repeatedly, yet when we discussed the election results you kept saying how Obama did a solid job even if there were things you disagreed with. Which is it? Obama didn't accomplish anything in 8 years? Really, not a single thing. Nothing related reducing unemployment, reducing the deficit, cutting down illegal immigration, cutting down pollution in major cities........In what universe is saying that (along with "Obama and Hillary hate and want to destroy America") any different than twitter outrage against Trump. It's 2 sides of the same coin. You don't see me spouting baseless outrage against politicians I don't like, yet you are casting aspersions against those who do that against Trump (rightly so, I'll give you) but in the very next breath do basically the same exact thing. As to your query on Trump policies, I've answered this before and it's usually met with crickets but here goes again (and I said these very things leading up to the election as well). This isn't a Trump thing, it's a general Republican party policy. [/quote] Very well put on the cut and deregulate issues, of which I can sympathize with a bit, but there are many other policies in question as well. When this guy says the anti Trump people can't cite one policy that they don't like, it's absolute horseshit. Most of these blasts of outrage are sparked by hideous policies, and of course then we have to define what a policy means in this context. Just legislation that goes on the books, or the general nonsense he says that he wants to pass? His massive overuse of executive orders (the same sort of thing that Republicans said made Obama a dictator) or his general nepotism hiring practices? His habits of public attacks on free press and dissenters, or his firing people in positions that he feels are a threat to him? His refusal to institute sanctions and motions that have passed, or his attempts to block progress bills that wouldn't include his ideas? There are plenty of examples of each of these, and those are the sorts of things people dislike about him.. And it's also nonsense to suggest that the leader of the country being a daily embarrassment doesn't matter... but I digress.
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Post by damngumby on Jun 21, 2018 19:25:37 GMT
First, I never said the left hasn't gone berserk over Trump; they have, and rightfully so. I simply pointed out your 'lack of awareness' when you suggested it was "24/7 hysteria" that's holding the left back, as if hysteria was exclusive to one faction. Also, I'm an 'opponent' now? Not just a dude with a different point of view? This degree of hysteria is exclusive to one faction. If you can not see it, then so be it. Also, if we are arguing two opposing political ideologies, then "opponent" seems like a pretty apt (mild) description. I certainly do not view you as the enemy or a deplorable. That sort of rhetoric I leave to the hysterical left. If you believe that, then you should hope that 2nd Amendment you scoff at remains intact. Remember, Trump is "literally" Hitler! I imagine it would ... if that had ever been my reason for wanting one individual to be banned. You seem to think that rallying against someone who puts fake information in Wikipedia is a bad thing. Have you been reading fake news about me? ... or are you creating it?
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jun 21, 2018 19:29:59 GMT
First, I never said the left hasn't gone berserk over Trump; they have, and rightfully so. I simply pointed out your 'lack of awareness' when you suggested it was "24/7 hysteria" that's holding the left back, as if hysteria was exclusive to one faction. Also, I'm an 'opponent' now? Not just a dude with a different point of view? This degree of hysteria is exclusive to one faction. If you can not see it, then so be it. Also, if we are arguing two opposing political ideologies, then "opponent" seems like a pretty apt (mild) description. I certainly do not view you as the enemy or a deplorable. That sort of rhetoric I leave to the hysterical left. If you believe that, then you should hope that 2nd Amendment you scoff at remains intact. Remember, Trump is "literally" Hitler! I imagine it would ... if that had ever been my reason for wanting one individual to be banned. You seem to think that rallying against someone who puts fake information in Wikipedia is a bad thing. Have you been reading fake news about me? ... or are you creating it? So there was no hysteria such as “lock her up” or Obama’s birth certificate?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 21, 2018 19:35:47 GMT
First, I never said the left hasn't gone berserk over Trump; they have, and rightfully so. I simply pointed out your 'lack of awareness' when you suggested it was "24/7 hysteria" that's holding the left back, as if hysteria was exclusive to one faction. Also, I'm an 'opponent' now? Not just a dude with a different point of view? This degree of hysteria is exclusive to one faction. If you can not see it, then so be it. Also, if we are arguing two opposing political ideologies, then "opponent" seems like a pretty apt (mild) description. I certainly do not view you as the enemy or a deplorable. That sort of rhetoric I leave to the hysterical left. If you believe that, then you should hope that 2nd Amendment you scoff at remains intact. Remember, Trump is "literally" Hitler! I imagine it would ... if that had ever been my reason for wanting one individual to be banned. You seem to think that rallying against someone who puts fake information in Wikipedia is a bad thing. Have you been reading fake news about me? ... or are you creating it? I guess it was only a matter of time before you invoked the 'fake news' defense. I think we're done here.
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