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Post by damngumby on Jun 21, 2018 19:47:36 GMT
I guess it was only a matter of time before you invoked the 'fake news' defense. I think we're done here. If you can not back up the "fake news" you've been peddling about me, and you refuse to retract it, then it appears so. Please keep in mind that you are the one who tried to make this argument personal by taking shots at me. In other words, I've been fighting the good fight!
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Post by damngumby on Jun 21, 2018 20:13:25 GMT
So there was no hysteria such as “lock her up” or Obama’s birth certificate? A. I don't think there is any doubt that you would be sitting in a jail cell if you did what she did. B. The birth certificate thing was just a simple misunderstanding. After someone in the Hillary camp first floated the idea ... and then it was discovered that Obama's publicist wrote that he was born in Kenya and Obama never corrected it.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jun 21, 2018 20:18:24 GMT
So there was no hysteria such as “lock her up” or Obama’s birth certificate? A. I don't think there is any doubt that you would be sitting in a jail cell if you did what she did. B. The birth certificate thing was just a simple misunderstanding. After someone in the Hillary camp first floated the idea ... and then it was discovered that Obama's publicist wrote that he was born in Kenya and Obama never corrected it. But there was hysteria.
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Post by damngumby on Jun 21, 2018 20:28:23 GMT
A. I don't think there is any doubt that you would be sitting in a jail cell if you did what she did. B. The birth certificate thing was just a simple misunderstanding. After someone in the Hillary camp first floated the idea ... and then it was discovered that Obama's publicist wrote that he was born in Kenya and Obama never corrected it. But there was hysteria. No tears, no screams, no depression withdrawals, no celebrity twitter meltdowns, no burning, no looting, no vagina hats ... as far as I know.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 21, 2018 20:32:13 GMT
I guess it was only a matter of time before you invoked the 'fake news' defense. I think we're done here. If you can not back up the "fake news" you've been peddling about me, and you refuse to retract it, then it appears so. Please keep in mind that you are the one who tried to make this argument personal by taking shots at me. In other words, I've been fighting the good fight! Maybe tomorrow I'll dig up the quotes from the comic book board where you were whining about banning Marvel haters. I didn't take shots at you, I pointed out your behavior on the other board. It isn't personal with me, that's the point.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jun 21, 2018 20:36:48 GMT
.. no celebrity twitter meltdowns... Now you're obviously joking.
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Post by damngumby on Jun 21, 2018 20:49:07 GMT
If you can not back up the "fake news" you've been peddling about me, and you refuse to retract it, then it appears so. Please keep in mind that you are the one who tried to make this argument personal by taking shots at me. In other words, I've been fighting the good fight! Maybe tomorrow I'll dig up the quotes from the comic book board where you were whining about banning Marvel haters. I didn't take shots at you, I pointed out your behavior on the other board. It isn't personal with me, that's the point. I look forward to seeing what you are talking about.
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Post by DSDSquared on Jun 22, 2018 12:18:27 GMT
Jesus the anti-Trump people are the biggest morons in politics right now. They have no concern for facts and just assume that it is common knowledge that Trump is a disaster as Commander in Chief, when the actual results show quite the opposite. The fact is that Trump has done more for this country in a year and a half than Obama did in 8 years. Look at this very thread. What are you outraged about? This immigration problem with the children separation has been going on since 1997. No one seemed to care, but now it is mysteriously Trump's fault. The picture that showed the kids in cages that sparked outrage was from 2014, during Obama's Presidency. He is actually doing something about this now and people still complain. I ask the same question every time I run into an anti-Trump person and they can never answer it. What, exactly, about Trump's actual policies do you disagree with? I am not asking if you like him or think he says dumb things (he does). I am not going out and having a beer with this dude. Obama was better spoken and a much nicer guy, but he was all talk and didn't accomplish anything of worth in 8 years. Trump actually gets results and it shows in our new foreign trade, our economy, the stock market, the unemployment rate, etc. You keep repeating that mantra, it's one I see on Fox News repeatedly, yet when we discussed the election results you kept saying how Obama did a solid job even if there were things you disagreed with. Which is it? Obama didn't accomplish anything in 8 years? Really, not a single thing. Nothing related reducing unemployment, reducing the deficit, cutting down illegal immigration, cutting down pollution in major cities........In what universe is saying that (along with "Obama and Hillary hate and want to destroy America") any different than twitter outrage against Trump. It's 2 sides of the same coin. You don't see me spouting baseless outrage against politicians I don't like, yet you are casting aspersions against those who do that against Trump (rightly so, I'll give you) but in the very next breath do basically the same exact thing. As to your query on Trump policies, I've answered this before and it's usually met with crickets but here goes again (and I said these very things leading up to the election as well). This isn't a Trump thing, it's a general Republican party policy. The Republicans are the party of tax cuts and de-regulation. Are there benefits? Absolutely, albeit they tend to be short-term positives. Cutting taxes temporarily puts a little more money in everyone's pockets. That's great.....but economic policies have long-lasting results, not just 6 months' worth of celebrations before assuming that everything is fine. The reality is, and history has shown this time and time again, both in this country and in others, is that cutting taxes without cutting spending (which is exactly what this administration did), creates costs and guess who is going to cover those costs? It's going to be you, me and the others on this thread, unless they are billionaires. When that happens, be it in 2019 or 2020, it's going to create a situation not all that dissimilar to 2007 and 2008. Obviously I hope this doesn't happen, so I ask that I not be attacked for being a "liberal praying for a plane crash" or whatever. That wouldn't be a good thing for anyone, but the truth is that the tax plan was a snow job on the middle class. One year of a nice return and they will end up turning around and paying it all back and then some to pay for the cost of it while the billionaires laugh all the way to the bank. I hope I'm wrong but this same type of policy, when implemented in the past, hasn't had great long term results. Ever. On to deregulation. This is one area where I'm on the fence. I work with banks, with FINRA regulated brokers, with some public companies on their SEC reports and deregulation is always a little easier on those types of entities. Less paperwork, less red tape, reduced costs of compliance, lower auditing standards, that's all great in some ways because they can make more money. However, the side effect is that you get predatory lending, more people getting mortgages that can't afford them if the market were to downturn, more people getting screwed by wealth managers, increased fraud and market manipulation as the result of reduced auditing requirements, etc. Now the token response from the right is personal responsibility, don't get a mortgage if you can't afford one. That's all great, but when the bank says "sure, you can absolutely afford this," people assume that they aren't going to lose their jobs or that the value of the home won't plummet. It's all fine until the net effect of tax cuts and maintained spending causes the value of their home to plummet and their taxes increase to cover the shortfall (and they're the ones whose taxes are going to go up the most). The cutting back necessitated by the economic downturn resulting from previously reduced taxes without a corresponding reduction in spending will hurt those people the most when they lose their jobs and can't make their monthly nut on their house that is now worth 50% less than what they paid for it. These things work together as a life cycle. Putting it together means another setback after the midterms. You must have me confused with someone else. I never once said Obama did a good job as President. He did not and I never thought he did. He was a talker and he was good at it. Unfortunately, it was the action part he had trouble with. Also, I never said Obama accomplished nothing in 8 years. As a lawyer, you should know never to put words in my mouth, especially when my posts are here for all to see. All I have been saying is that Trump has already accomplished more and he has.
Fair enough with the taxes and I agree with you. No leader is perfect and I have to wait and see where we go from here as far as the recent tax cuts go. I also feel that Trump is out of touch with the VA and should move away from Community Care/CHOICE. Privatization of the VA is a disaster and firing Shulkin was not the smart move. Trump also needs to ease up on holding onto antiquated methods of energy like coal and look to the future. Of course, it is helping save jobs in the sort term, but we need to think big picture. I do not love everything the guy does and hate 90% of what he says. I wish he would just keep his mouth shut and do the job. Still, overall, he is doing a fantastic job. Most of the things he has gotten criticized for are actually good things. One example I can give is getting out of the Paris Accords. The left paints this as a bad thing and use it to say Trump hates the environment when nothing could be further from the truth. Those Accords accomplished very little and was a horrible deal for this country. Trump is also trying to fix the immigration problem in this country. I know he is hitting some bumps, but at least he is trying and is making some progress. That is more than I can say for Obama and Bush. Trump is also doing a lot for the economy. Sure, the tax thing can cause some concern, but consumer confidence is as high as ever, unemployment is down to record levels, and it seems the economy is on the right track. Also, Trump can be harsh when he speaks and the optics of his foreign relations may look shattered at times, but in reality he is doing a fantastic job there. All over the world prisoners are coming home and remains are coming back to their families. He is trying to make peace with our enemies and he is doing a good job at ending terrible trade deals with our foreign partners, and I use the term partners loosely.
My main point is that everyone acts like it is common knowledge that Trump is some kind of evil man and a disaster as a President while Obama was so amazing and one of the best Presidents ever when actual results show the exact opposite.
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Post by DSDSquared on Jun 22, 2018 12:19:54 GMT
This degree of hysteria is exclusive to one faction. If you can not see it, then so be it. Also, if we are arguing two opposing political ideologies, then "opponent" seems like a pretty apt (mild) description. I certainly do not view you as the enemy or a deplorable. That sort of rhetoric I leave to the hysterical left. If you believe that, then you should hope that 2nd Amendment you scoff at remains intact. Remember, Trump is "literally" Hitler! I imagine it would ... if that had ever been my reason for wanting one individual to be banned. You seem to think that rallying against someone who puts fake information in Wikipedia is a bad thing. Have you been reading fake news about me? ... or are you creating it? So there was no hysteria such as “lock her up” or Obama’s birth certificate? Of course there was. I think the far right is just as insane as the far left.
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Post by MrFurious on Jun 22, 2018 12:22:28 GMT
And the wifes coat yesterday. How beeped up is this fuken family?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 22, 2018 12:47:17 GMT
Maybe tomorrow I'll dig up the quotes from the comic book board where you were whining about banning Marvel haters. I didn't take shots at you, I pointed out your behavior on the other board. It isn't personal with me, that's the point. I look forward to seeing what you are talking about. imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/98691/unfortunate-announcementThroughout this thread you whine about MCU fans being banned for doxing while DC Fan gets away with trolling the board constantly. The injustice of it all! You even use the pooping on the lawn metaphor in this thread, and the classic, "Ace," "Champ," stuff you do to project superiority or whatever. You wanted proof, there it is. I've told you multiple times to put DC Fan on ignore, but true to your personality, you'd rather "fight the good fight." I'm not your 'opponent' and unlike you I don't think internet arguments can be won or lost. This conversation is over, I'm walking away but I'm not holding up an imaginary trophy. Whatever comeback you invent, I'm sure it'll be very clever. I may agree or disagree with you in another thread, as I have plenty of times in the past. I can do that without labeling you an ally or an opponent. Don't view a message board as your lawn, it makes the whole experience a lot more fun.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jun 22, 2018 13:09:17 GMT
And the wifes coat yesterday. How beeped up is this fuken family? Nothing to see here. But if you plant a vegetable garden at the White House, you'll be crucified as un-American.
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Post by damngumby on Jun 22, 2018 13:10:34 GMT
I look forward to seeing what you are talking about. imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/98691/unfortunate-announcementThroughout this thread you whine about MCU fans being banned for doxing while DC Fan gets away with trolling the board constantly. The injustice of it all! You even use the pooping on the lawn metaphor in this thread, and the classic, "Ace," "Champ," stuff you do to project superiority or whatever. You wanted proof, there it is. I've told you multiple times to put DC Fan on ignore, but true to your personality, you'd rather "fight the good fight." I'm not your 'opponent' and unlike you I don't think internet arguments can be won or lost. This conversation is over, I'm walking away but I'm not holding up an imaginary trophy. Whatever comeback you invent, I'm sure it'll be very clever. I may agree or disagree with you in another thread, as I have plenty of times in the past. I can do that without labeling you an ally or an opponent. Don't view a message board as your lawn, it makes the whole experience a lot more fun. I’ll simply point out that your link doesn’t support your claim that I lobbied to get posters banned just because they don’t like Marvel movies. Before you run off perhaps you can clear the air by retreating your false accusation. Thanks.
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Post by damngumby on Jun 22, 2018 13:13:19 GMT
So there was no hysteria such as “lock her up” or Obama’s birth certificate? Of course there was. I think the far right is just as insane as the far left. The thing is, the far left is the left these days.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2018 13:18:12 GMT
And the wifes coat yesterday. How beeped up is this fuken family? That was all kinds of fucked up. Visiting children her husband has been keeping in third reich style camps, and she wears that. Like you say the whole family is radio rental mate. What a fucked up country.
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Post by mangekyoalleluia on Jun 22, 2018 13:19:41 GMT
And the wifes coat yesterday. How beeped up is this fuken family? They couldnt give a flying f*ck about anyone but themselves, maybe other presidents have been the same.... but at least they hid it! Oh and not forgetting how callous and amoral they are.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jun 22, 2018 16:49:21 GMT
You keep repeating that mantra, it's one I see on Fox News repeatedly, yet when we discussed the election results you kept saying how Obama did a solid job even if there were things you disagreed with. Which is it? Obama didn't accomplish anything in 8 years? Really, not a single thing. Nothing related reducing unemployment, reducing the deficit, cutting down illegal immigration, cutting down pollution in major cities........In what universe is saying that (along with "Obama and Hillary hate and want to destroy America") any different than twitter outrage against Trump. It's 2 sides of the same coin. You don't see me spouting baseless outrage against politicians I don't like, yet you are casting aspersions against those who do that against Trump (rightly so, I'll give you) but in the very next breath do basically the same exact thing. As to your query on Trump policies, I've answered this before and it's usually met with crickets but here goes again (and I said these very things leading up to the election as well). This isn't a Trump thing, it's a general Republican party policy. The Republicans are the party of tax cuts and de-regulation. Are there benefits? Absolutely, albeit they tend to be short-term positives. Cutting taxes temporarily puts a little more money in everyone's pockets. That's great.....but economic policies have long-lasting results, not just 6 months' worth of celebrations before assuming that everything is fine. The reality is, and history has shown this time and time again, both in this country and in others, is that cutting taxes without cutting spending (which is exactly what this administration did), creates costs and guess who is going to cover those costs? It's going to be you, me and the others on this thread, unless they are billionaires. When that happens, be it in 2019 or 2020, it's going to create a situation not all that dissimilar to 2007 and 2008. Obviously I hope this doesn't happen, so I ask that I not be attacked for being a "liberal praying for a plane crash" or whatever. That wouldn't be a good thing for anyone, but the truth is that the tax plan was a snow job on the middle class. One year of a nice return and they will end up turning around and paying it all back and then some to pay for the cost of it while the billionaires laugh all the way to the bank. I hope I'm wrong but this same type of policy, when implemented in the past, hasn't had great long term results. Ever. On to deregulation. This is one area where I'm on the fence. I work with banks, with FINRA regulated brokers, with some public companies on their SEC reports and deregulation is always a little easier on those types of entities. Less paperwork, less red tape, reduced costs of compliance, lower auditing standards, that's all great in some ways because they can make more money. However, the side effect is that you get predatory lending, more people getting mortgages that can't afford them if the market were to downturn, more people getting screwed by wealth managers, increased fraud and market manipulation as the result of reduced auditing requirements, etc. Now the token response from the right is personal responsibility, don't get a mortgage if you can't afford one. That's all great, but when the bank says "sure, you can absolutely afford this," people assume that they aren't going to lose their jobs or that the value of the home won't plummet. It's all fine until the net effect of tax cuts and maintained spending causes the value of their home to plummet and their taxes increase to cover the shortfall (and they're the ones whose taxes are going to go up the most). The cutting back necessitated by the economic downturn resulting from previously reduced taxes without a corresponding reduction in spending will hurt those people the most when they lose their jobs and can't make their monthly nut on their house that is now worth 50% less than what they paid for it. These things work together as a life cycle. Putting it together means another setback after the midterms. You must have me confused with someone else. I never once said Obama did a good job as President. He did not and I never thought he did. He was a talker and he was good at it. Unfortunately, it was the action part he had trouble with. Also, I never said Obama accomplished nothing in 8 years. As a lawyer, you should know never to put words in my mouth, especially when my posts are here for all to see. All I have been saying is that Trump has already accomplished more and he has.
Fair enough with the taxes and I agree with you. No leader is perfect and I have to wait and see where we go from here as far as the recent tax cuts go. I also feel that Trump is out of touch with the VA and should move away from Community Care/CHOICE. Privatization of the VA is a disaster and firing Shulkin was not the smart move. Trump also needs to ease up on holding onto antiquated methods of energy like coal and look to the future. Of course, it is helping save jobs in the sort term, but we need to think big picture. I do not love everything the guy does and hate 90% of what he says. I wish he would just keep his mouth shut and do the job. Still, overall, he is doing a fantastic job. Most of the things he has gotten criticized for are actually good things. One example I can give is getting out of the Paris Accords. The left paints this as a bad thing and use it to say Trump hates the environment when nothing could be further from the truth. Those Accords accomplished very little and was a horrible deal for this country. Trump is also trying to fix the immigration problem in this country. I know he is hitting some bumps, but at least he is trying and is making some progress. That is more than I can say for Obama and Bush. Trump is also doing a lot for the economy. Sure, the tax thing can cause some concern, but consumer confidence is as high as ever, unemployment is down to record levels, and it seems the economy is on the right track. Also, Trump can be harsh when he speaks and the optics of his foreign relations may look shattered at times, but in reality he is doing a fantastic job there. All over the world prisoners are coming home and remains are coming back to their families. He is trying to make peace with our enemies and he is doing a good job at ending terrible trade deals with our foreign partners, and I use the term partners loosely.
My main point is that everyone acts like it is common knowledge that Trump is some kind of evil man and a disaster as a President while Obama was so amazing and one of the best Presidents ever when actual results show the exact opposite.
Fair enough. I don't agree, at all, about the Paris Accords, but fair enough. Time is way too early to tell, economic policies take a little time to truly show their full effects. We shall see. And yes, it was 100% you. Maybe you were only saying it about the economy (as opposed to his presidency overall) and it was a discussion we had on the old board. And if you want to say now that Obama was terrible for the economy, I can simply re-post the deficit lowering, unemployment lowering, substantial increase in GDP and even tax cut figures that occurred during those 8 years. He may not have been your favorite (nor was he mine, I'm actually a registered R), and there were surely a slew of things I didn't like but the positive steps he took for the economy are a matter of public record. So far so good on that one front for Trump. So far......
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Post by DSDSquared on Jun 22, 2018 17:59:41 GMT
You must have me confused with someone else. I never once said Obama did a good job as President. He did not and I never thought he did. He was a talker and he was good at it. Unfortunately, it was the action part he had trouble with. Also, I never said Obama accomplished nothing in 8 years. As a lawyer, you should know never to put words in my mouth, especially when my posts are here for all to see. All I have been saying is that Trump has already accomplished more and he has.
Fair enough with the taxes and I agree with you. No leader is perfect and I have to wait and see where we go from here as far as the recent tax cuts go. I also feel that Trump is out of touch with the VA and should move away from Community Care/CHOICE. Privatization of the VA is a disaster and firing Shulkin was not the smart move. Trump also needs to ease up on holding onto antiquated methods of energy like coal and look to the future. Of course, it is helping save jobs in the sort term, but we need to think big picture. I do not love everything the guy does and hate 90% of what he says. I wish he would just keep his mouth shut and do the job. Still, overall, he is doing a fantastic job. Most of the things he has gotten criticized for are actually good things. One example I can give is getting out of the Paris Accords. The left paints this as a bad thing and use it to say Trump hates the environment when nothing could be further from the truth. Those Accords accomplished very little and was a horrible deal for this country. Trump is also trying to fix the immigration problem in this country. I know he is hitting some bumps, but at least he is trying and is making some progress. That is more than I can say for Obama and Bush. Trump is also doing a lot for the economy. Sure, the tax thing can cause some concern, but consumer confidence is as high as ever, unemployment is down to record levels, and it seems the economy is on the right track. Also, Trump can be harsh when he speaks and the optics of his foreign relations may look shattered at times, but in reality he is doing a fantastic job there. All over the world prisoners are coming home and remains are coming back to their families. He is trying to make peace with our enemies and he is doing a good job at ending terrible trade deals with our foreign partners, and I use the term partners loosely.
My main point is that everyone acts like it is common knowledge that Trump is some kind of evil man and a disaster as a President while Obama was so amazing and one of the best Presidents ever when actual results show the exact opposite.
Fair enough. I don't agree, at all, about the Paris Accords, but fair enough. Time is way too early to tell, economic policies take a little time to truly show their full effects. We shall see. And yes, it was 100% you. Maybe you were only saying it about the economy (as opposed to his presidency overall) and it was a discussion we had on the old board. And if you want to say now that Obama was terrible for the economy, I can simply re-post the deficit lowering, unemployment lowering, substantial increase in GDP and even tax cut figures that occurred during those 8 years. He may not have been your favorite (nor was he mine, I'm actually a registered R), and there were surely a slew of things I didn't like but the positive steps he took for the economy are a matter of public record. So far so good on that one front for Trump. So far...... I agree with you. I just think that Obama was just 'meh' as a President. He was not awful or great. He just gets talked about like he was the greatest President of all time when the truth is that he was middle of the pack at best. I am always interested to hear your point of view though. In my opinion, you are the most respected poster on this board.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jun 22, 2018 18:09:38 GMT
Fair enough. I don't agree, at all, about the Paris Accords, but fair enough. Time is way too early to tell, economic policies take a little time to truly show their full effects. We shall see. And yes, it was 100% you. Maybe you were only saying it about the economy (as opposed to his presidency overall) and it was a discussion we had on the old board. And if you want to say now that Obama was terrible for the economy, I can simply re-post the deficit lowering, unemployment lowering, substantial increase in GDP and even tax cut figures that occurred during those 8 years. He may not have been your favorite (nor was he mine, I'm actually a registered R), and there were surely a slew of things I didn't like but the positive steps he took for the economy are a matter of public record. So far so good on that one front for Trump. So far...... I agree with you. I just think that Obama was just 'meh' as a President. He was not awful or great. He just gets talked about like he was the greatest President of all time when the truth is that he was middle of the pack at best. I am always interested to hear your point of view though. In my opinion, you are the most respected poster on this board. Thanks buddy. The feeling is mutual, which is why I responded to you (as opposed to others). It's not worth engaging those that you don't respect because it just de-escalates too fast. It's up to us to get past the fruitless back-and-forth bickering, ad hominem crap and get back to actual discussion and debate. Definitely a tough road to hoe but we can do it! Also, sorry man, but you know the rules. When DC-Fan agrees with you or likes your post.....
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Post by DSDSquared on Jun 22, 2018 18:40:52 GMT
I agree with you. I just think that Obama was just 'meh' as a President. He was not awful or great. He just gets talked about like he was the greatest President of all time when the truth is that he was middle of the pack at best. I am always interested to hear your point of view though. In my opinion, you are the most respected poster on this board. Thanks buddy. The feeling is mutual, which is why I responded to you (as opposed to others). It's not worth engaging those that you don't respect because it just de-escalates too fast. It's up to us to get past the fruitless back-and-forth bickering, ad hominem crap and get back to actual discussion and debate. Definitely a tough road to hoe but we can do it! Also, sorry man, but you know the rules. When DC-Fan agrees with you or likes your post..... I automatically lost this argument. You are correct. Oh well.
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