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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 18:01:49 GMT
Swear to GOD I am not trolling but I am pretty curious to know if you hardcore MCU fanboys are aware of good to really good cinematography ? And are okay with films with mediocre scores?
IMO it would would seem that Feige & his director for hires do not value good cinematography or musical score. I literally can't name any memorable moments of either . For comparisons sake, The Dark Knight / Batman Begins / Watchmen have plenty of memorable shots .
When it comes to MCU films , it seems like the hardcore fans of them just like the wise cracks.
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Post by blockbusted on Jul 19, 2018 18:17:59 GMT
Swear to GOD I am not trolling but I am pretty curious to know if you hardcore MCU fanboys are aware of good to really good cinematography ? And are okay with films with mediocre scores? IMO it would would seem that Feige & his director for hires do not value good cinematography or musical score. I literally can't name any memorable moments of either . For comparisons sake, The Dark Knight / Batman Begins / Watchmen have plenty of memorable shots . When it comes to MCU films , it seems like the hardcore fans of them just like the wise cracks. Yeah, tell that to the cinematographer of ‘Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2’ and Ludwig Goransson... |
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 19, 2018 18:21:59 GMT
Swear to GOD I am not trolling but I am pretty curious to know if you hardcore MCU fanboys are aware of good to really good cinematography ? And are okay with films with mediocre scores? IMO it would would seem that Feige & his director for hires do not value good cinematography or musical score. I literally can't name any memorable moments of either . For comparisons sake, The Dark Knight / Batman Begins / Watchmen have plenty of memorable shots . When it comes to MCU films , it seems like the hardcore fans of them just like the wise cracks. The TDK trilogy had great cinematography but horrible choreography. The MCU movies have decent cinematography but great choreography. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 19, 2018 19:56:00 GMT
Originally locked this since the title screamed troll thread, but I'll open it back up for discussion.
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Post by charzhino on Jul 19, 2018 19:58:47 GMT
The answer is no.
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Post by Nalkarj on Jul 19, 2018 19:59:41 GMT
Originally locked this since the title screamed troll thread, but I'll open it back up for discussion. No one asked for my two-cents, but…  I think the thread per se is entirely fair. What it may turn into is another story. @jakesully, I’m no “hardcore MCU fanboy” at all—to the contrary, perhaps—but I did enjoy a few of them, and I’ll suggest the ones that I found good to excellent apropos of filmmaking: Iron Man, Captain America, Iron Man 3, and especially (from a filmmaking perspective) Captain America: The Winter Soldier. As a film, the last one is flawed, but it also has some brilliant sequences that could almost be used as a primer on how to do cinematic suspense. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 19, 2018 20:06:59 GMT
Originally locked this since the title screamed troll thread, but I'll open it back up for discussion. No one asked for my two-cents, but… I think the thread per se is entirely fair. What it may turn into is another story. @jakesully, I’m no “hardcore MCU fanboy” at all—to the contrary, perhaps—but I did enjoy a few of them, and I’ll suggest the ones that I found good to excellent apropos of filmmaking: Iron Man, Captain America, Iron Man 3, and especially (from a filmmaking perspective) Captain America: The Winter Soldier. As a film, the last one is flawed, but it also has some brilliant sequences that could almost be used as a primer on how to do cinematic suspense. Yeah that's why I unlocked it. As long as people play it cool and don't turn this thread into another fight then there's no reason why this can't be discussed. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 21:06:21 GMT
The cinematography in the MCU is hit and miss. It's a huge reach to say that it's always bad all the time. There's some great shots throughout the series depending on the director. Is the cinematography in the Raimi Spideys and TDK trilogy better? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean the MCU is terrible in this area, just (usually) not as good.
As for score... Same deal. Hit and miss. The Avengers has a great score. So does Iron Man 1 and Cap 1 to name a few. A lot of others are very forgettable. I do wish they'd step their game up here too, but I don't think it's a big problem. The scores are rarely flat out bad.
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Post by Nalkarj on Jul 19, 2018 21:08:41 GMT
The cinematography in the MCU is hit and miss. It's a huge reach to say that it's always bad all the time. There's some great shots throughout the series depending on the director. Is the cinematography in the Raimi Spideys and TDK trilogy better? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean the MCU is terrible in this area, just (usually) not as good. As for score... Same deal. Hit and miss. The Avengers has a great score. So does Iron Man 1 and Cap 1 to name a few. A lot of others are very forgettable. I do wish they'd step their game up here too, but I don't think it's a big problem. The scores are rarely flat out bad.The MCU Musical, on the other hand, has the most brilliant score ever written in the history of mankind!!!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 21:12:40 GMT
The cinematography in the MCU is hit and miss. It's a huge reach to say that it's always bad all the time. There's some great shots throughout the series depending on the director. Is the cinematography in the Raimi Spideys and TDK trilogy better? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean the MCU is terrible in this area, just (usually) not as good. As for score... Same deal. Hit and miss. The Avengers has a great score. So does Iron Man 1 and Cap 1 to name a few. A lot of others are very forgettable. I do wish they'd step their game up here too, but I don't think it's a big problem. The scores are rarely flat out bad.The MCU Musical, on the other hand, has the most brilliant score ever written in the history of mankind!!!!!  |
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jul 19, 2018 21:18:51 GMT
Speaking of movie scores in general. There is a small percentage of movies that have wonderful memorable scores. There is a small percentage of movies that have awful memorable scores. But the vast majority are in the middle where the score does it's job of setting the mood and most people don't even notice it one way or the other. Most of the MCU films are in this vast average middle area. A movie that has an average score can still be every bit as great of a movie as any other film.
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Post by Power Ranger on Jul 19, 2018 23:25:10 GMT
They’re a very undemanding market.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 0:03:19 GMT
Swear to GOD I am not trolling but I am pretty curious to know if you hardcore MCU fanboys are aware of good to really good cinematography ? And are okay with films with mediocre scores? IMO it would would seem that Feige & his director for hires do not value good cinematography or musical score. I literally can't name any memorable moments of either . For comparisons sake, The Dark Knight / Batman Begins / Watchmen have plenty of memorable shots . When it comes to MCU films , it seems like the hardcore fans of them just like the wise cracks. It might be a tangent, but there have really only been two times where the soundtracks have stuck out to me (GotG doesn't count for me because it was directly tied into the film) and one is a nitpick but the other is a criticism: Thor: Ragnarok and The Dark Knight. With Thor, it's forgivable they'd use Led Zepplin's Immigrant Song because the tone of the film is light and comical and the lyrics kinda have something to do with Norse mythology but it felt way too cheesy for my tastes. It was like being a kid and all your friends are over and you're reading comics and playing video games and suddenly your dad comes bursting into your room with a boombox and starts rapping Baby Got Back. I would have preferred a more serious musical choice since the tone was already comedic to begin with so the contrast would be welcome. Something like: The Dark Knight, however, had a soundtrack that just would not shut up. I wouldn't say it was so much bad as overbearing. The first half of that film felt like watching a trailer. And once you notice it, there's no un-noticing it. It reminded me of Predator, another film with a score that would occasionally swoop in and dominate the entire movie, but even Predator had more quiet time than TDK. |
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Post by CowherPowerForever on Jul 20, 2018 0:13:31 GMT
Sadly, most moviegoers in general do not appreciate either of those things. I've heard people call movie scores "elevator music". Yep, these are the clear majority of people watching movies today.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 20, 2018 0:18:59 GMT
Originally locked this since the title screamed troll thread, but I'll open it back up for discussion. No one asked for my two-cents, but… I think the thread per se is entirely fair. What it may turn into is another story. @jakesully , I’m no “hardcore MCU fanboy” at all—to the contrary, perhaps—but I did enjoy a few of them, and I’ll suggest the ones that I found good to excellent apropos of filmmaking: Iron Man, Captain America, Iron Man 3, and especially (from a filmmaking perspective) Captain America: The Winter Soldier. As a film, the last one is flawed, but it also has some brilliant sequences that could almost be used as a primer on how to do cinematic suspense. Nah. While the topic of the thread is actually valid, the tone of the OP makes it obvious that the poster is trolling. |
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 20, 2018 0:24:32 GMT
Speaking of musical scores:
The way I see it is that the MCU uses music as a background for scenes. It's there to keep things from getting too silent, help out a bit in getting the right mood, but mostly it's not meant to take over the visuals of the scene.
With DC movies however (TDK trilogy and DCEU anyway) the music is almost always overbearing. It's loud and overpowering, sometimes so much so that it overpowers the visuals. An example of this is Wonder Woman's theme in almost every scene she's in in BvS. Some people like that, others don't.
I think the best comparison is that MCU soundtrack is the radio you listen to while you're driving. DCEU soundtrack is the workout playlist you listen to on your earphones full blast while you're working out.
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Post by politicidal on Jul 20, 2018 1:19:58 GMT
Depends on the director. Overall, I think they'd been fine. But there are glaring exceptions like the ANTMAN movies;both of which I like but they look like big budget television movie.
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Post by summers8 on Jul 20, 2018 3:55:34 GMT
YEP. I have been saying it for years. MCU have terrible cinematography.
good comic films cinematography are films like this. Batman Begins and X2
bad cinematography are films like avengers and gotg
this stuff is a cartoon (avengers and gotg) so sad.
thanks OP. And no many MCU fans don't understand it.
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Post by darkpast on Jul 20, 2018 5:47:34 GMT
i'm sure they don't know what you are talking about
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Post by Vassaggo on Jul 20, 2018 7:25:39 GMT
Eh, I can appreciated a lot of tools of film makers. It doesn't mean that it's a deal breaker for every movie. I have Clerks and Mallrats on VHS, Laserdisc, and DVD. Now granted I haven't owned a Laserdisc player in like 2 decades so Clerks and Mallrats is hanging on the wall in a 12"x 24" Record Album frame. I love those 2 movies Clerks in my top 25 and Kevin Smith wouldn't know what cinematography is if you showed him the definition.
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