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Post by someguy on Jul 28, 2018 13:20:07 GMT
If so, what are they?
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 28, 2018 13:35:38 GMT
If we assume there is some sort of God or Karma system then I think that if we live a finite life then repercussion of our actions should also be finite. To not forgive somebody forever would be being completely merciless. That said some people who believe in eternal hell obviously differ with my opinion and believe that there are actions/sins that are unforgivable. But the same people may also claim that God is full of mercy which kind of looks like contradictory opinion.
Just for the record - I am an apatheist. I do not accept or reject any God. I am simply not interested in God.
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Post by kls on Jul 28, 2018 13:39:52 GMT
If we assume there is some sort of God or Karma system then I think that if we live a finite life then repercussion of our actions should also be finite. To not forgive somebody forever would be being completely merciless. That said some people who believe in eternal hell obviously differ with my opinion and believe that there are actions/sins that are unforgivable. But the same people may also claim that God is full of mercy which kind of looks like contradictory opinion.
Just for the record - I am an apatheist. I do not accept or reject any God. I am simply not interested in God.
I would suspect that if a sin is unforgivable someone might not have eternal life in Heaven after earthly death. But that doesn't necessarily mean Hell fire and torment for all eternity. That could just be it, when you die if not saved that's it.
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 28, 2018 13:44:37 GMT
If we assume there is some sort of God or Karma system then I think that if we live a finite life then repercussion of our actions should also be finite. To not forgive somebody forever would be being completely merciless. That said some people who believe in eternal hell obviously differ with my opinion and believe that there are actions/sins that are unforgivable. But the same people may also claim that God is full of mercy which kind of looks like contradictory opinion.
Just for the record - I am an apatheist. I do not accept or reject any God. I am simply not interested in God.
I would suspect that if a sin is unforgivable someone might not have eternal life in Heaven after earthly death. But that doesn't necessarily mean Hell fire and torment for all eternity. That could just be it, when you die if not saved that's it. Yes, some people do hold that opinion. Especially JW who believe people will just go into some sort of deletion mode. Others will got to Jehovah. But there are people who do believe in hell fire (and souls being continuously tormented in it).
In recent times religions have shown a different attitude towards eternal hell. I think that is a good thing. One does not need to cling on to an old belief forever. The religious people who believe no life after earthly death rather than eternal hell-fire are more compassionate in my books.
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Post by Cody™ on Jul 28, 2018 13:56:49 GMT
Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. In other words rejecting the only basis of God’s salvation.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 28, 2018 14:01:59 GMT
The unforgivable sin is sinning against the holy spirit...Basically rejecting God despite knowing they are true.
It's a particular type of blasphemy of denying something you know to be true about God.
Ones likely guilty of it are Judas & the religious leaders who plotted & succeeded in killing Jesus.
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Post by clusium on Jul 28, 2018 14:44:40 GMT
Yes. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Note to all you smart-alecks here on RFS; Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit isn't simply speaking irreverently against the Holy Spirit. It's far more complicated than that. It takes the following forms: 1)Obstinacy in one's own sinfulness, 2)Presumption in one's own personal salvation, 3)Despair in one's own sinfulness, 4)Resisting a Holy Truth, 5)Envy of the Spiritual Gifts which are Given to others, 6)Final Impenitence.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 28, 2018 14:59:59 GMT
I would suspect that if a sin is unforgivable someone might not have eternal life in Heaven after earthly death. But that doesn't necessarily mean Hell fire and torment for all eternity. That could just be it, when you die if not saved that's it. Yes, some people do hold that opinion. Especially JW who believe people will just go into some sort of deletion mode. Others will got to Jehovah. But there are people who do believe in hell fire (and souls being continuously tormented in it).
In recent times religions have shown a different attitude towards eternal hell. I think that is a good thing. One does not need to cling on to an old belief forever. The religious people who believe no life after earthly death rather than eternal hell-fire are more compassionate in my books.
That is the weirdest way to stay JW's believe dead is dead that I've seen. Their beliefs are pretty simple: There is a select groups who rule in heaven with Jesus, perhaps that's what you mean that they "go to Jehovah" The majority stay here on earth after wicked people are killed. Everyone else dies and stays dead. The unforgivable sin is just another way od saying dead man walking. Repentance & forgiveness is not an option because it's not sought and the line of communication is broken. Repentance is not the same thing as sorrow. Judas felt bad about his actions but that did not move him to actually redeem himself and he was getting no help or assistance from God to deal with it.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 28, 2018 15:13:53 GMT
An interesting thing about JW's and unforgivable sin is the annointed who rule in heaven are a fixed number - 144,000.
So what happens when one of them is disfellowshipped?
Since the number must be maintained at 144,000 and that anointing is by holy spirit, once one is disfellowshipped there's no reason to think they get it back if there is a replacement chosen soon after. Because the ones who live on earth aren't in a demoted position, there's no reason to think that they would join their ranks.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 15:29:08 GMT
Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. In other words rejecting the only basis of God’s salvation. The unforgivable sin is sinning against the holy spirit...Basically rejecting God despite knowing they are true. So, if one recognizes their transgression and begs forgiveness from god for these... he says "No"?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 28, 2018 15:36:51 GMT
Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. In other words rejecting the only basis of God’s salvation. The unforgivable sin is sinning against the holy spirit...Basically rejecting God despite knowing they are true. So, if one recognizes their transgression and begs forgiveness from god for these... he says "No"? I have no idea. I'm not God. The point is that they already know they are antagonistic toward God and aren't seeking that forgiveness. To look at it another way. Let's say that God does what so many atheists who hate him want him to do - Provide a clear cut sign that he exists and along with that the expectation to do what he says to gain salvation. They can't be atheists anymore, but with that proof out of the way, what would they do next?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 15:39:45 GMT
So, if one recognizes their transgression and begs forgiveness from god for these... he says "No"? I have no idea. I'm not God. Then you don't know that an 'unforgivable sin' exists.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 28, 2018 15:44:46 GMT
I have no idea. I'm not God. Then you don't know that an 'unforgivable sin' exists. Well, it's described what an unforgivable sin is and it's also why I said "likely" since the ones I mentioned match up with the definition. What I don't have is is telepathy or even a concern to find out for sure. After all, I don't want anyone to stay croaked.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 15:46:58 GMT
Then you don't know that an 'unforgivable sin' exists. Well, it's described what an unforgivable sin is Where?
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Jul 28, 2018 15:51:13 GMT
Yeah, Catholic officials allowing pedophile priests a pass; kiddy-diddling on ANY level. It is a 'sin' against humanity. It should be wrong whatever religion you do or do not adhere to.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 28, 2018 16:07:58 GMT
Well, it's described what an unforgivable sin is Where? You're better at verse listing, but I'll give it a shot. I can post the whole chapters if you want to ensure correct context: Mark 3 So that's to establish that there is such a thing as unforgivable sin. 1 Timothy 1 Paul introduces the notion that sin and ignorance are apart from willful and knowledgeable sin Hebrews 10 All of these bring out distinctions between normal run of the mill sin and sin against the holy spirit Romans 14 Judgement of what is unforgivable is not my problem. Phew.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 28, 2018 16:09:02 GMT
Was this question too difficult to answer?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 16:10:27 GMT
You're better at verse listing, but I'll give it a shot. I can post the whole chapters if you want to ensure correct context: Mark 3 So that's to establish that there is such a thing as unforgivable sin. Then you doubt those words? Make up your mind.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 28, 2018 16:13:52 GMT
@eddyhops
Doubt what words?
I didn't contradict myself.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 16:15:00 GMT
@eddyhops Doubt what words? I didn't contradict myself. Dude, you can't insist there is an unforgivable sin, then claim you don't know if it's forgivable or not. That is the very definition of contradiction.
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