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Post by captainbryce on Aug 10, 2018 15:52:54 GMT
You’re missing the point. How “people” (including your congregation) feels about you as a JW is irrelevant. What matters is how God feels about you. And if your God makes “mistakes”, then your entire religious system is flawed! The Bible says that God doesn’t change his mind. If he “anoints” people (which according to JWs they know in their hearts whether they are anointed from God), and then God takes it back, then he’s changing his mind which contradicts the bible and the teachings of the religion. That may be true but then that changes the subject since it is no longer a JW teaching. Are you saying that JWs believe God changes his mind?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 10, 2018 16:15:14 GMT
That may be true but then that changes the subject since it is no longer a JW teaching. Are you saying that JWs believe God changes his mind? No.
Although I have no doubt they believe that God changes his mind that wasn't the topic I was discussing nor was I aware that you were discussing that topic.
I'm pretty sure I made it pretty clear what the JW teaching is.
I'll try to dumb down the topic a bit.
I don't think there's any indication God makes mistakes, but if that is something that is true that would not be something JW's would adhere to in their teaching.
You are discussing another religious organization which is completely your right to do.
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Post by captainbryce on Aug 10, 2018 16:58:16 GMT
Are you saying that JWs believe God changes his mind? No.
Although I have no doubt they believe that God changes his mind that wasn't the topic I was discussing nor was I aware that you were discussing that topic.
I'm pretty sure I made it pretty clear what the JW teaching is.
I'll try to dumb down the topic a bit.
I don't think there's any indication God makes mistakes, but if that is something that is true that would not be something JW's would adhere to in their teaching.
You are discussing another religious organization which is completely your right to do.
I’m discussing JWs because you are discussing JWs. My comment was a response to yours (which was about JWs). And my point (about JWs) is that if they believe that God changes his mind, they that casts doubt on their entire belief system since the bible says God does not change his mind. It would be contradicting their own beliefs to think that God (who is supposedly all-knowing) made a mistake and had to take something back. That’s the only point I was making so I’m not sure why you are confused about what I’m talking about.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 10, 2018 17:01:32 GMT
captainbryce Ok This is incorrect. God routinely changes his mind since that isn't indication of a flaw or mistake. Still that had nothing to do with what I was discussing which is why it was an odd change of topic
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Post by captainbryce on Aug 10, 2018 17:05:41 GMT
captainbryce Ok This is incorrect. God routinely changes his mind since that isn't indication of a flaw or mistake. Yes, I’m aware that God routinely changes his mind (in direct contradiction to what scripture declares). But it IS an indication of flaw and mistake for a supposedly “all-knowing” being.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 10, 2018 17:07:29 GMT
captainbryce Ok This is incorrect. God routinely changes his mind since that isn't indication of a flaw or mistake. Yes, I’m aware that God routinely changes his mind (in direct contradiction to what scripture declares). But it IS an indication of flaw and mistake for a supposedly “all-knowing” being. How does it work that God changes his mind in scripture and that means that he can't change his mind? That is going to be an interesting scripture you pull out of your butt!
Define all-knowing and I'll tell you if you're wrong about that too.
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Post by captainbryce on Aug 10, 2018 17:22:53 GMT
Yes, I’m aware that God routinely changes his mind (in direct contradiction to what scripture declares). But it IS an indication of flaw and mistake for a supposedly “all-knowing” being. How does it work that God changes his mind in scripture and that means that he can't change his mind? It DOESN’T work. That’s my whole point; it contradicts itself. Malachi 3:6 “I the Lord do not change. So you, the descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed. Numbers 23:19 God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill? James 1:17 Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows. You define it; it’s your belief. I’m just repeating what Christians say.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Aug 10, 2018 18:09:52 GMT
Rob Schneider's movie career
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Post by clusium on Aug 10, 2018 19:32:02 GMT
Yes. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Note to all you smart-alecks here on RFS; Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit isn't simply speaking irreverently against the Holy Spirit. It's far more complicated than that. It takes the following forms: 1)Obstinacy in one's own sinfulness, 2)Presumption in one's own personal salvation, 3)Despair in one's own sinfulness, 4)Resisting a Holy Truth, 5)Envy of the Spiritual Gifts which are Given to others, 6)Final Impenitence. And this is spelled out where exactly? Obstinacy: Psalm 78, verse 17, Presumption: St. Matthew chapter 7, verse 22, Despair: St. Matthew chapter 27, verse 5 (actually, all the New Testament passages, which tell about Judas Iscariot committing suicide after betraying the Lord), Resisting a Holy Truth: Gospel according to St. John chapter 9, verse 41, Spiritual Envy: St. Mark, chapter 15, verse 10, Final Impenitence: St. Luke chapter verse 39.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 10, 2018 21:07:22 GMT
captainbryceI think people are doing this just to waste my time. Malachi 3:6 is not discussing God changing his mind. It is discussing staung true to his word. The first of many proofs you are likely to dismiss: So in these verse, it is clear that God makes choices and changes his decisions based on the willingness for his followers to be obedient. If they do what they are supposed to do, he will do what he will always do. This is true. God has never lied to his people and never not disregarded a promise. Neither of these are changing his mind unless you somehow think changing your mind makes you a liar. Of course, you and others are so hard headed, you may have never experienced a time you changed your mind. James 1 This is also very true. We will never have to worry about a bad gift from God, unlike the deceptions we receive from evil sources or our own desires. So you lost this one too.
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Post by captainbryce on Aug 11, 2018 0:48:57 GMT
captainbryce I think people are doing this just to waste my time. Malachi 3:6 is not discussing God changing his mind. It is discussing staung true to his word. That’s a nice piece of mental gymnastics. Unfortunately it comes off as unconvincing to anyone who has a brain! If God says one thing and then changes his mind later, then he is NOT staying true to his word. Yes, for aforementioned reasons. More mental gymnastics...this is great stuff! I’m not “god” you idiot. I make mistakes. I can’t see the future. If I had these supernatural abilities, I wouldn’t ever need to change my mind. No, Christians lost by using kettle logic. God knows everything, but still has to change his mind about things. What an idiot!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 23:22:09 GMT
Mark 3:28-30: "Truly I tell you, all sins and blasphemes will be forgiven for the sons of men. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin. He said this because they [the Pharisees] were saying, 'He has an evil spirit'."
So yes sin against the Holy Spirit is according to the bible unforgivable.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 22:11:47 GMT
So yes sin against the Holy Spirit is according to the bible unforgivable. What does it mean to "sin against the Holy Spirit?" Elaborate, please. I like how you ignored that i quoted the bible.
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