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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jul 29, 2018 20:55:26 GMT
Ah, yes he was. In prison right? Doing nothing for his son? So my post stands: Odin is better than all 3 of them. Nope. Odin was a brutal and ruthless conqueror who executed anyone who opposed him. ye gods, Odin was a TERRIBLE father in mythology and especially in the MCU cartoon version: 1. A father who fosters latent rivalry among brothers and raises a emo-brat like Loki is not "good" per definition. 2. Also, after he was dethroned by Loki he did not event try to return and clean up the mess, more like Jake Skywalker running away to hide on an island. 3. And he just conveniently vanished into thin air after surprisingly revealing that there was also a estranged, banned psycho-daughter hating him and sons too who will make trouble! This makes it a pattern of bad fatherhood. 4. Add insult to injury, when Odin dies his emo-kids seem not too concerned and started clobbering - not even Thor seems too sad about daddy's death, he prefers crying like a little girl when he is getting a hair cut though. I believe it's mostly the bad writing too, but that is not a valid defense to make Odin appear a less bad father figure. If Gunn was involved I had speculated that Odin was likely a pedo, but without Gunn that's not fair an assumption.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 29, 2018 21:00:01 GMT
Prove it. Hela and Laufey weren't executed. Neither was Loki. Odin appointed Hela as the Executioner and ordered her to execute anyone who opposed him. And Odin banished Hela when he thought that Hela was too ambitious and would take his throne. Would you mind quoting the exact line where Odin supposedly asked Hela to execute anyone who opposed him? You know, just to make sure you're not making stuff up. He also changed a lot since Hela's time. So again I ask, prove that Odin executed any who opposed him.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 29, 2018 21:03:56 GMT
They don’t have a Jonathon Kent or Thomas Wayne or Henry Allen. The only fathers they have are criminals like Scott Lang who TEACHES HIS DAUGHTER HOW TO COMMIT HEISTS! Jonathan Kent advocated his son let people die to protect himself and committed suicide by tornado infront of his son knowing his son had the power to save him, there by inflicting serious emotional trauma on the child he loved.
Henry Allen is a convicted murderer.
Thomas Wayne....he's Negan fuck him.
Can't forget Deadshot almost shooting his daughter to get at Batman.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 29, 2018 21:04:14 GMT
Odin appointed Hela as the Executioner and ordered her to execute anyone who opposed him. And Odin banished Hela when he thought that Hela was too ambitious and would take his throne. Would you mind quoting the exact line where Odin supposedly asked Hela to execute anyone who opposed him? You know, just to make sure you're not making stuff up. He also changed a lot since Hela's time. So again I ask, prove that Odin executed any who opposed him. WOW! You MCU fans really need everything spelled out for you. Odin appointed Hela to be the Executioner. A King doesn't appoint an Executioner unless he plans on executing people who oppose him.
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Post by dazz on Jul 29, 2018 21:09:17 GMT
Jonathan Kent advocated his son let people die to protect himself and committed suicide by tornado infront of his son knowing his son had the power to save him, there by inflicting serious emotional trauma on the child he loved.
Henry Allen is a convicted murderer.
Thomas Wayne....he's Negan fuck him.
Can't forget Deadshot almost shooting his daughter to get at Batman. or Cyborgs dad who turned him into a "monster" or how about Diana's no show daddio, or how about the guy who actually killed his kids forgot his name the pyrokinetic dude in Suicide Squad...El Diablo or some shit?
DC has a child killer for a father, what papa in the MCU has killed their own children? and Tony doesn't count for the billions of unborn children he executed by wearing prophylactics in his wilder days.
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Jul 29, 2018 21:10:10 GMT
Jonathan Kent suggested Clark let people die. No, he said it was Clark’s choice. I think those were wise words. He suggested it, you call those "wise words"?
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 29, 2018 21:24:37 GMT
Would you mind quoting the exact line where Odin supposedly asked Hela to execute anyone who opposed him? You know, just to make sure you're not making stuff up. He also changed a lot since Hela's time. So again I ask, prove that Odin executed any who opposed him. WOW! You MCU fans really need everything spelled out for you. Odin appointed Hela to be the Executioner. A King doesn't appoint an Executioner unless he plans on executing people who oppose him. Oh DC-Fan, you're such a dumb idiot sometimes. Do I really need to spell this out for you? An executioner gets appointed to execute any criminal deemed for execution/death sentence. They don't get to execute anyone simply for opposing the king. Anyway, it seems I completely crushed your argument. You should probably try a different angle.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 29, 2018 21:37:59 GMT
WOW! You MCU fans really need everything spelled out for you. Odin appointed Hela to be the Executioner. A King doesn't appoint an Executioner unless he plans on executing people who oppose him. Oh DC-Fan, you're such a dumb idiot sometimes. Do I really need to spell this out for you? An executioner gets appointed to execute any criminal deemed for execution/death sentence. They don't get to execute anyone simply for opposing the king. Yes, they do. That's what the Executioner does. Execute anyone whom the King orders them to. Anne Boleyn was executed. What was her crime? The charges against her were infidelity and incest, but the consensus among almost all historians is that she never committed infidelity or incest and those were just trumped-up charges to execute her because she refused to give Henry VIII the divorce that he wanted. So Henry VIII ordered his Executioner to execute Anne Boleyn for opposing him. That's the same with Odin. He appointed Hela the Executioner so he could order her to execute anyone who opposed him. Once again, I completely crushed your argument.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 29, 2018 21:57:28 GMT
Oh DC-Fan, you're such a dumb idiot sometimes. Do I really need to spell this out for you? An executioner gets appointed to execute any criminal deemed for execution/death sentence. They don't get to execute anyone simply for opposing the king. Yes, they do. That's what the Executioner does. Execute anyone whom the King orders them to. Anne Boleyn was executed. What was her crime? The charges against her were infidelity and incest, but the consensus among almost all historians is that she never committed infidelity or incest and those were just trumped-up charges to execute her because she refused to give Henry VIII the divorce that he wanted. So Henry VIII ordered his Executioner to execute Anne Boleyn for opposing him. That's the same with Odin. He appointed Hela the Executioner so he could order her to execute anyone who opposed him. Once again, I completely crushed your argument. Yes, they execute anyone the king orders them to. That doesn't mean everyone who opposes the king. Do you not understand english? Or maybe it's your logic that has issues? Tell me again who exactly Odin had executed.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 29, 2018 22:16:22 GMT
Yes, they do. That's what the Executioner does. Execute anyone whom the King orders them to. Anne Boleyn was executed. What was her crime? The charges against her were infidelity and incest, but the consensus among almost all historians is that she never committed infidelity or incest and those were just trumped-up charges to execute her because she refused to give Henry VIII the divorce that he wanted. So Henry VIII ordered his Executioner to execute Anne Boleyn for opposing him. That's the same with Odin. He appointed Hela the Executioner so he could order her to execute anyone who opposed him. Once again, I completely crushed your argument. Yes, they execute anyone the king orders them to. That doesn't mean everyone who opposes the king. Do you not understand english? Or maybe it's your logic that has issues? Tell me again who exactly Odin had executed. Odin executed anyone who opposed him. That's why Odin appointed Hela the Executioner. So Odin could have Hela execute anyone who opposed him. Because that's what Executioners do for their King. Executioners execute those who oppose the King.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 22:29:05 GMT
Superman's father shot him into space on a rocketship when he was a baby and he crash-landed on Earth. For all Jor-el knew, he'd land in the middle of a desert and never be found. He also sent the one thing Zod was after along with him.
Talk about negligent.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 29, 2018 22:47:54 GMT
Jonathan Kent suggested Clark let people die. No, he said it was Clark’s choice. I think those were wise words. "What was I supposed to do? Let them die?!" "...Maybe. "
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 29, 2018 22:49:34 GMT
Would you mind quoting the exact line where Odin supposedly asked Hela to execute anyone who opposed him? You know, just to make sure you're not making stuff up. He also changed a lot since Hela's time. So again I ask, prove that Odin executed any who opposed him. WOW! You MCU fans really need everything spelled out for you. Odin appointed Hela to be the Executioner. A King doesn't appoint an Executioner unless he plans on executing people who oppose him. Just like how you need everything in the MCU to be spelled out for you?
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Post by Vassaggo on Jul 29, 2018 23:17:41 GMT
Yes, they execute anyone the king orders them to. That doesn't mean everyone who opposes the king. Do you not understand english? Or maybe it's your logic that has issues? Tell me again who exactly Odin had executed. Odin executed anyone who opposed him. That's why Odin appointed Hela the Executioner. So Odin could have Hela execute anyone who opposed him. Because that's what Executioners do for their King. Executioners execute those who oppose the King. I have a Bachelors in History from Pfeiffer University. My concentration was Western European History. My focus was on Medieval History. My thesis was on Medieval Weapons vs Armor and Siege Weapons and Tactics vs Fortification. That's not bragging or anything just credentials. (I also had 2 minors in Art/Art History and Social Studies) By all studies I've done and reading in Europe specifically, No most Royalty did not use Executioners as means to kill those who opposed them. In fact most Royals and Nobles were spared death even in war time. If you were worth enough opposing armies wouldn't even kill you. They would ransom you back to your family. Feudalism as a whole was a complex web of inter-married families, pacts, treaties, and alliances. The web not only went from royal to royal (ie country to country) horizontally but vertically as well. As Royal to Vassals. (Royal to nobleman to knights to landed gentry to common folk and serfs) This varied from region to region and era to era, but was pretty consistent. Was an execution used to solve political strife in this system? Yes. Complex webs tend to cause weird fucking claims to thrones, but was it the norm? No. By and large, marriage and land payoffs were used more often to settle disputes. Executioners were there to service the result of breaking the law. As the Royals (both king and queens) were the seat of law for a lot of the time in question opposition to that Royal either valid or not was treason. So the very act of opposition is a crime if that opposition is done by one of the Royal's subjects. This is not to say that Royals were the only seat (The Church in itself was a seat of law also) and that for the entire time speaking that Royals were the complete seat of law. During the later half of Medieval Times Royals power was slowly usurped by the people. The problem you are having is that Executions of Political Rivals was juicier history and so was written about more. It makes for a better story than dealing with it through other avenues. It also makes better fiction so that seeped into Pop Culture more. Another way of putting it is when a King executes some one opposing him it made more of a splash. And you can't say Executioners were used more for Country to Country politics to impose a Royals Will on the other either. If conflict was used it was all out War. The winner of that War sets the terms of that conflict resolution. Usually charging the loser with a crime. And yes again losers of wars were executed for those crimes, but it was not always the case and not really the norm. As the web became more and more complicated you were dealing with basically your own family by some point. European Royals are inbred horribly. The Royals that were executed again got more "press" in our history books. Your oversimplification of King's Will to Executioners Job to Kill Opposition is woefully inadequate and borderline calumnious.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 29, 2018 23:42:39 GMT
Superman's father shot him into space on a rocketship when he was a baby and he crash-landed on Earth. For all Jor-el knew, he'd land in the middle of a desert and never be found. He also sent the one thing Zod was after along with him. Talk about negligent. How about the confusing thing that Jor El did... He told him they made him to be anything that he wants to be, then told him he was there to be Earth's hope. What if he didn't want to be Earth's hope?
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Post by Vassaggo on Jul 29, 2018 23:43:36 GMT
Nope. Odin was a brutal and ruthless conqueror who executed anyone who opposed him. ye gods, Odin was a TERRIBLE father in mythology and especially in the MCU cartoon version: 1. A father who fosters latent rivalry among brothers and raises a emo-brat like Loki is not "good" per definition. 2. Also, after he was dethroned by Loki he did not event try to return and clean up the mess, more like Jake Skywalker running away to hide on an island. 3. And he just conveniently vanished into thin air after surprisingly revealing that there was also a estranged, banned psycho-daughter hating him and sons too who will make trouble! This makes it a pattern of bad fatherhood. 4. Add insult to injury, when Odin dies his emo-kids seem not too concerned and started clobbering - not even Thor seems too sad about daddy's death, he prefers crying like a little girl when he is getting a hair cut though. I believe it's mostly the bad writing too, but that is not a valid defense to make Odin appear a less bad father figure. If Gunn was involved I had speculated that Odin was likely a pedo, but without Gunn that's not fair an assumption. Yeah have to agree. Odin is a dick in Mythology and in MCU especially in Thor Dark World.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 23:52:05 GMT
Superman's father shot him into space on a rocketship when he was a baby and he crash-landed on Earth. For all Jor-el knew, he'd land in the middle of a desert and never be found. He also sent the one thing Zod was after along with him. Talk about negligent. How about the confusing thing that Jor El did... He told him they made him to be anything that he wants to be, then told him he was there to be Earth's hope. What if he didn't want to be Earth's hope? Yeah. No wonder he grew up to be such a conflicted mess. With that and other dad sacrificing himself to a tornado for no real reason aside from teaching him some sort of lesson, I'm surprised he's not an anti-social wreck. Between the mixed messages and the high expectations placed on him, he shouldn't have turned out to be even slightly heroic; he should be resentful and spiteful of everything and everyone.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 30, 2018 1:22:01 GMT
Odin executed anyone who opposed him. That's why Odin appointed Hela the Executioner. So Odin could have Hela execute anyone who opposed him. Because that's what Executioners do for their King. Executioners execute those who oppose the King. I have a Bachelors in History from Pfeiffer University. My concentration was Western European History. My focus was on Medieval History. My thesis was on Medieval Weapons vs Armor and Siege Weapons and Tactics vs Fortification. That's not bragging or anything just credentials. (I also had 2 minors in Art/Art History and Social Studies) By all studies I've done and reading in Europe specifically, No most Royalty did not use Executioners as means to kill those who opposed them. In fact most Royals and Nobles were spared death even in war time. If you were worth enough opposing armies wouldn't even kill you. You need to get a refund from those schools. Because anyone who's familiar with Tudor history knows that Henry VII was well-known for eliminating any challenges to his throne by executing anyone who wasn't loyal to him. Heck, Henry VII's granddaughter, Queen Mary, was known as "Bloody Mary" because she executed many people simply for opposing her wishes to make England a Catholic country. Queen Mary also executed Lady Jane Grey and her husband. And this December, there's a new movie with Margot Robbie playing Queen Elizabeth I and Saorise Ronan playing Mary, Queen of Scots. Did your school ever teach you about what happened to Mary, Queen of Scots? She was a Queen, who was executed by her cousin, Queen Elizabeth I. Man, you really do need to get a refund from your school. Because Kings and Queens have often executed those who opposed them. And that's what Odin did too. Odin appointed Hela the Executioner so he could order Hela to execute anyone who opposed him.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 30, 2018 1:26:14 GMT
Superman's father shot him into space on a rocketship when he was a baby and he crash-landed on Earth. So Jor-El did for Kal-El what Captain Kirk, as Dr. McCoy once described it, often does for his crew: Turn death into a chance for survival. I'd say that makes an excellent father.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 30, 2018 1:28:25 GMT
Yes, they execute anyone the king orders them to. That doesn't mean everyone who opposes the king. Do you not understand english? Or maybe it's your logic that has issues? Tell me again who exactly Odin had executed. Odin executed anyone who opposed him. That's why Odin appointed Hela the Executioner. So Odin could have Hela execute anyone who opposed him. Because that's what Executioners do for their King. Executioners execute those who oppose the King. So please tell me who exactly Odin had executed.
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