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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 19:52:42 GMT
The boat race ain't too clever and neither is the voice, and he has the range of a dog with no legs.
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Post by mattgarth on Jul 29, 2018 19:57:20 GMT
The boat race ain't too clever and neither is the voice, and he has the range of a dog with no legs.
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When Madame Pompadour was on a ballroom floor
Said all the gentlemen, "Obviously
The Madame has the cutest -- Personality."
What did Romeo see in Juliet
Or Figaro in Figarette
Or Jupiter in Juno
You know!
And when Salome danced and had the boys entranced
No doubt it must have been easy to see
That she knew how to use her -- Personality.
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Post by snsurone on Jul 29, 2018 22:19:40 GMT
The boat race ain't too clever and neither is the voice, and he has the range of a dog with no legs. Sez you!!! Bogie was one of the best actors in Hollywood, although it took WB a long time to realize that. And his range was greater than any of these "pose-and pout 'actors' " of today! Yeah, yeah--I realize that I mustn't feed the troll, but such people make me so damned mad that I can't help myself! Forgive me, fellow posters. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 22:42:49 GMT
Bogart has been quoted as saying "Stay in the same place long enough and everybody will think you belong there". It is worth noting that he was in Hollywood a long time before he made a name for himself. Although he is one of my favorite actors I think the reason he got big was that he stayed in the same place long enough. Leslie Howard gave him his biggest break, too, if you know that story.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jul 29, 2018 23:00:47 GMT
I often ask the same question about Tom Cruise and Kevin Costner, and I think the answer may be in the roles they manage to get early in their careers. In Humphrey Bogart's case, two of his early roles were ones that George Raft turned down. "The Petrified Forest" was one of them. Can't recall the other one right now.
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Post by movielover on Jul 29, 2018 23:14:08 GMT
I often ask the same question about Tom Cruise and Kevin Costner, and I think the answer may be in the roles they manage to get early in their careers. In Humphrey Bogart's case, two of his early roles were ones that George Raft turned down. "The Petrified Forest" was one of them. Can't recall the other one right now.George Raft also turned down High Sierra and The Maltese Falcon. |
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Post by mattgarth on Jul 29, 2018 23:14:59 GMT
I often ask the same question about Tom Cruise and Kevin Costner, and I think the answer may be in the roles they manage to get early in their careers. In Humphrey Bogart's case, two of his early roles were ones that George Raft turned down. "The Petrified Forest" was one of them. Can't recall the other one right now. Oh, Georgie Raft make the unwise career decision to turn down both HIGH SIERRA and THE MALTESE FALCON. His complaint about the parts: "When do I turn over my coat label and reveal my police badge?" |
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Post by movielover on Jul 29, 2018 23:16:57 GMT
I often ask the same question about Tom Cruise and Kevin Costner, and I think the answer may be in the roles they manage to get early in their careers. In Humphrey Bogart's case, two of his early roles were ones that George Raft turned down. "The Petrified Forest" was one of them. Can't recall the other one right now. Oh, Georgie Raft make the unwise career decision to turn down both HIGH SIERRA and THE MALTESE FALCON. His complaint about the parts: "When do I turn over my coat label and reveal my police badge?" Beat you on the draw this time, mattgarth.  |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jul 29, 2018 23:17:58 GMT
I often ask the same question about Tom Cruise and Kevin Costner, and I think the answer may be in the roles they manage to get early in their careers. In Humphrey Bogart's case, two of his early roles were ones that George Raft turned down. "The Petrified Forest" was one of them. Can't recall the other one right now.George Raft also turned down High Sierra and The Maltese Falcon. Thanks. I thought "The Maltese Falcon" might have been another film Raft turned down, but I wasn't sure. |
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Post by mattgarth on Jul 29, 2018 23:18:58 GMT
Ooops-- movielover got there firstest and bestest.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jul 29, 2018 23:19:28 GMT
I often ask the same question about Tom Cruise and Kevin Costner, and I think the answer may be in the roles they manage to get early in their careers. In Humphrey Bogart's case, two of his early roles were ones that George Raft turned down. "The Petrified Forest" was one of them. Can't recall the other one right now. Oh, Georgie Raft make the unwise career decision to turn down both HIGH SIERRA and THE MALTESE FALCON. His complaint about the parts: "When do I turn over my coat label and reveal my police badge?" Thanks. Apparently "High Sierra" was the film I was thinking of, and not "The Petrified Forest." |
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Post by vegalyra on Jul 29, 2018 23:39:04 GMT
I think he's wonderful. I love every film he was in. Don't know why considering he didn't have leading man looks but it was a blessing for fans!
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Post by mattgarth on Jul 29, 2018 23:56:26 GMT
Both Entertainment Weekly Magazine and the American Film Institute once made a selection list of the greatest movie stars.
Bogie was picked as #1 on each.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jul 30, 2018 0:04:09 GMT
He had a lot of screen presence and was given interesting roles. I think there was some studio marketing hype involved--especially thanks to Casablanca, but overall he was the quintessential big studio star of the era. Who would be the female counterpart?
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Post by london777 on Jul 30, 2018 0:41:08 GMT
Because when I am watching him in a movie, there is no level of my mind thinking "he is acting". He just was whatever character he was playing. The polar opposite would be his almost exact contemporary James Cagney. Whenever I watch him I am very conscious I am watching Cagney playing this or that character.
He was not "given" interesting roies. He earned them after an eight-year apprenticeship playing nothing roles during which he mastered the craft. Also he was an intelligent and cultured man to whom showbiz was not the beginning and end of everything so he was probably more discerning as to which roles he accepted (as far as the studio system allowed).
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Jul 30, 2018 0:44:23 GMT
I often ask the same question about Tom Cruise and Kevin Costner, and I think the answer may be in the roles they manage to get early in their careers. In Humphrey Bogart's case, two of his early roles were ones that George Raft turned down. "The Petrified Forest" was one of them. Can't recall the other one right now. George Raft didn't turn down The Petrified Forest. Leslie Howard wouldn't star in it unless Bogey played Duke. Bogey named his kid Leslie. |
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Jul 30, 2018 0:46:34 GMT
Bogey was really the first 'anti-hero'.
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Post by mikef6 on Jul 30, 2018 1:00:30 GMT
Yes, Raft was offered The Maltese Falcon first, as was required in his contract. But Huston didn’t want Raft, he wanted Bogart. Indeed, Huston really, as in really, disliked George Raft. But Warner wanted to loan Raft to Fox in trade for Henry Fonda for a picture each. Raft also had the right to turn this down. Knowing that Raft didn’t want Falcon because Huston was a first-time director, they assigned Raft to Falcon when the first cast list was drawn. But the studio told Raft they wouldn’t insist on Falcon if he would take the one-picture deal at Fox. Georgie said OK to that and history was made. Huston later said that he realized Warner didn’t want Raft in Falcon, either. If they had, they would have simply replaced Huston with an experienced director and Raft would have changed his mind.
Follow all that? Typical studio era maneuvering.
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Post by london777 on Jul 30, 2018 1:10:48 GMT
Yes, Raft was offered The Maltese Falcon first, as was required in his contract. But Huston didn’t want Raft, he wanted Bogart. Indeed, Huston really, as in really, disliked George Raft. But Warner wanted to loan Raft to Fox in trade for Henry Fonda for a picture each. Raft also had the right to turn this down. Knowing that Raft didn’t want Falcon because Huston was a first-time director, they assigned Raft to Falcon when the first cast list was drawn. But the studio told Raft they wouldn’t insist on Falcon if he would take the one-picture deal at Fox. Georgie said OK to that and history was made. Huston later said that he realized Warner didn’t want Raft in Falcon, either. If they had, they would have simply replaced Huston with an experienced director and Raft would have changed his mind. Follow all that? Typical studio era maneuvering. Interesting. What was the movie Raft made at Fox to fulfill the deal? I bet it was a stinker. |
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Post by mikef6 on Jul 30, 2018 1:30:46 GMT
Yes, Raft was offered The Maltese Falcon first, as was required in his contract. But Huston didn’t want Raft, he wanted Bogart. Indeed, Huston really, as in really, disliked George Raft. But Warner wanted to loan Raft to Fox in trade for Henry Fonda for a picture each. Raft also had the right to turn this down. Knowing that Raft didn’t want Falcon because Huston was a first-time director, they assigned Raft to Falcon when the first cast list was drawn. But the studio told Raft they wouldn’t insist on Falcon if he would take the one-picture deal at Fox. Georgie said OK to that and history was made. Huston later said that he realized Warner didn’t want Raft in Falcon, either. If they had, they would have simply replaced Huston with an experienced director and Raft would have changed his mind. Follow all that? Typical studio era maneuvering. Interesting. What was the movie Raft made at Fox to fulfill the deal? I bet it was a stinker. The deal with Fox fell through because Raft, true to form, didn't like the script. When told in that case he had to report to Falcon filming he argued and argued about that. The book "Bogart" by Sperber and Lax report that Jack Warner was losing patience with Raft and was looking for an excuse to cut him loose. So he just sat by and let Raft complain and bellyache. Meanwhile, filming The Maltese Falcon got under way. Oh, "The Male Animal" was the film Henry Fonda made at Warner. |
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