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Post by BATouttaheck on Jul 30, 2018 10:43:07 GMT
anyone know what these mean: The boat race ain't too clever , neither is the voice ?
Are they catch phrases of some sort ?
The part about the dog was inaccurate but at least it was translatable.
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 30, 2018 11:11:54 GMT
The boat race ain't too clever and neither is the voice, and he has the range of a dog with no legs. I know that you are starting more threads than Anthony Rocks these days but some of these threads are extremely childish. Humphrey Bogart became a superstar because he was an exceptionally talented actor.
**Spoilers ahead**
Take The Treasure of the Sierra Madre for example, he showed a normal decent human being can transform into greedy despicable and violent human being. Very few actors can actually look like two different persons inside a movie.
In Caine Mutiny he once again showed what acting means. It never even looked he was acting. You could see something wrong in his eyes. He aced the role of a paranoid. Same with his roles in many other movies. Good teachers say no question is a bad question but I can say that your question is childish. It's like starting threads as if you are addicted to start threads.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Jul 30, 2018 11:21:30 GMT
Aj_JuneGreat points about Bogart's transforming ability which is also seen in the amazing The African Queen. For me, one of the best of the BEST of Bogart (which fills whole shelf in the movie collection).
re: anthonyrocks wanna-be
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 30, 2018 11:46:25 GMT
Aj_June Great points about Bogart's transforming ability which is also seen in the amazing The African Queen. For me, one of the best of the BEST of Bogart (which fills whole shelf in the movie collection).
re: anthonyrocks wanna-be The African Queen is the only major Bogart movie that I have not seen. Now that you bring my attention to it I will make in on my immediate watch-list. Tonight I am sure to watch that Mark of Vampire movie that Salzmank recommended. Put African queen for Friday night.
I am glad that you also find him a great actor, Bat. London777 made a very important point that Bogart earned what he got. I remember he was being punched around by Cagney (who was himself a great superstar). He in fact played second fiddle to Cagney on two occasions. But once people recognised his talents he became probably the most respected actor of his era. Sad that he left the world too soon.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Jul 30, 2018 11:56:54 GMT
Aj_June AFTER you watch The African Queen .. a really fun read is Katharine Hepburn's account of making the film: She writes just as she talks and it is a FUNNY book as well as a documentation of the film making process.
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Post by london777 on Jul 30, 2018 12:44:42 GMT
anyone know what these mean: The boat race ain't too clever , neither is the voice ?
Are they catch phrases of some sort ?
The part about the dog was inaccurate but at least it was translatable. "Boat Race" is Cockney rhyming slang for "face". But it is untypical. Normally Cockney rhyming slang only uses the first word, the one that does not rhyme. For example, "up the apples" is short for "up the apples and pears", meaning "up the stairs". But I have never heard "boat" (alone) used for "face". Always the full "boat race". I hope this use of Cockney does not mean that NxNWRocks is English. We English have a proud tradition of never causing offence online. "Voice" means "voice". Hardly a catch-phrase. Although "Brexit means Brexit" is currently much in use in the UK.
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 30, 2018 13:15:32 GMT
anyone know what these mean: The boat race ain't too clever , neither is the voice ?
Are they catch phrases of some sort ?
The part about the dog was inaccurate but at least it was translatable. "Boat Race" is Cockney rhyming slang for "face". But it is untypical. Normally Cockney rhyming slang only uses the first word, the one that does not rhyme. For example, "up the apples" is short for "up the apples and pears", meaning "up the stairs". But I have never heard "boat" (alone) used for "face". Always the full "boat race". I hope this use of Cockney does not mean that NxNWRocks is English. We English have a proud tradition of never causing offence online. "Voice" means "voice". Hardly a catch-phrase. Although "Brexit means Brexit" is currently much in use in the UK. Thanks for explaining that, London. Don't think NxNWRocks has caused any offence. I was probably too quick to remind him that he was starting too many threads (Over 50 threads in last 24 hours). In any case he is free to start whatever number he wants to. I should probably have not brought that up. He is otherwise a well mannered poster. Don't think he is a citizen of UK though I have seen him supporting England cricket team so he probably has some connection with England. I do agree from my message board experience of 10 years that in general English posters are relatively more decent than average international posters.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Jul 30, 2018 13:39:55 GMT
so, basically what the OP is attempting to say is that, in his opinion, one of the best and most admired actors of all time, is not good looking, has a not so great voice and has a limited acting range and he is trying to ascertain if anyone agrees with his not comprehending why such a person ever became a STAR of the MEGA variety. Gotcha. It was the use of "clever" that was the puzzle part.
@ london777 re: We English have a proud tradition of never causing offence online.
please say again … you don't speak too clearly with that tongue tucked so far into your cheek like that !
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Post by BATouttaheck on Jul 30, 2018 13:46:49 GMT
Aj_June.. it's not so much the number of posts by the OP, it's their lack of content (especially on the General Discussions Board) where they are usually a question as the thread title (usually negative) and a post that is too often a "?" or even a "." . He has now taken to posting "questions" that are pretty clearly intended to get some troll feed thrown his way. Odd thing is that these intentionally off kilter threads often get really interesting replies once the OP is bypassed. Like this one, for instance.
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Post by Doghouse6 on Jul 31, 2018 0:16:02 GMT
It's doubtful that anyone can explain exactly why a particular player rises to the top. It involves an inscrutable alchemy occurring between performers and audiences that even producers and studio execs have never been able to decode or calibrate. Often as not, it can favor personalities of lesser talents while those of greater ones fail to catch the public's fancy.
In Bogart's case, observations can be made from which a theory or two could be formed: the "where" - Warner Bros - and the "when" - the 1940s - might be as informative as anything as to the "why." Every studio in town had their dashing, romantic "matinee idols;" the Clark Gables, Robert Taylors, Gary Coopers, Fredric Marches and Tyrone Powerses. Even Warners had Errol Flynn. In this context, Bogart would seem an unlikely star. But Warners was "the common man's" studio, characterized not by the gloss and glamour of MGM or the continental sophistication of Paramount or even the swashbuckling of Flynn, but by up-to-the-minute, fast-paced stories of modern life and problems. It was a place where the character actor or "average Joe," rather than the matinee idol, could secure the top spot: Edward G. Robinson; James Cagney; Paul Muni; John Garfield; Pat O'Brien. Yet even to those, Bogart was something of an exception. To a man, their film stardom was immediate. Bogart labored in pictures for a full decade before playing the roles that cemented his status.
My personal view of Bogart's career trajectory, which I divide into three phases, is one that might get me into some trouble. 1930 - 40: apprenticeship; learning the mechanics and techniques of filmed performances. 1941 - 47: refining and polishing them into skilled professionalism. 1948 - 56: delving beyond the mechanics, techniques, refinement and polish into true, organic character creation. It's this last phase in which I consider Bogart to have evolved from "star" to "actor," not merely pretending to be Sam Spade, Rick Blaine or Philip Marlowe, but becoming Fred C. Dobbs, Charlie Allnut, Philip Francis Queeg, Linus Larrabee or Glenn Griffin. There had been hints of this sort of full surrender to a role in earlier films like Sahara or Conflict, but it was with Treasure of the Sierra Madre that complete absorption of the Bogart persona by that of the role began, and it became truly possible to forget the actor and buy into the character.
This is what I judge to be the key to - and pinnacle of - screen acting. The best of them - Robinson, Spencer Tracy, Claude Rains, Peter O'Toole, for instance - always look and sound like their distinctive selves, but find a way to convince audiences that the character they're playing has always lurked inside them, a part of his own identity, and has been allowed on this one occasion to emerge and show his face to the world, as though they were case studies of multiple personality disorder. They transform, not with makeup or mannerism, but with something from within.
So, would Bogart have become a star at any other studio at any other time? No way to know for sure, but Warner Bros was both the likeliest and best place for it to happen. And then, having done so, he went off and did his best work elsewhere. And maybe that has to do with Warner's as well. Cagney, Bette Davis and Olivia de Havilland are among other Warner players who, like Bogart, battled with the studio and were damned glad to finally get free of it...and then gave some of their best performances at MGM, 20th-Fox or Paramount.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Jul 31, 2018 22:49:07 GMT
Doghouse6 again, thanks for giving my printer some exercise and keeping the ink jets from clogging !
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Post by snsurone on Jul 31, 2018 23:15:04 GMT
He had a lot of screen presence and was given interesting roles. I think there was some studio marketing hype involved--especially thanks to Casablanca, but overall he was the quintessential big studio star of the era. Who would be the female counterpart? I would say Bette Davis.
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Post by Doghouse6 on Jul 31, 2018 23:17:53 GMT
Doghouse6 again, thanks for giving my printer some exercise and keeping the ink jets from clogging ! Something for the birds to read at the bottom of the cage, no doubt.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Jul 31, 2018 23:25:51 GMT
Collecting the essays and will get them published some day since YOUZE GUYZ refuse to do it yer own selves ! MAY split the profits with y'all. Doghouse6 and Nalkarj and the QM and ….
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Post by Doghouse6 on Jul 31, 2018 23:50:04 GMT
Collecting the essays and will get them published some day since YOUZE GUYZ refuse to do it yer own selves ! MAY split the profits with y'all. Doghouse6 and Nalkarj and the QM and …. It's not that I refuse; it's just that I'm wary of obsolescence where modern storage media are concerned...and chisel stone even slower than I type.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Jul 31, 2018 23:54:00 GMT
Doghouse6: But it's harder to repair the chiseled tpyos !
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Post by Doghouse6 on Aug 1, 2018 0:01:48 GMT
Doghouse6 : But it's harder to repair the chiseled tpyos ! For that, I must rely on my favorite correction fluid:
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Post by mikef6 on Aug 1, 2018 2:36:14 GMT
Whilst motorvating through Las Cruses, New Mexico, I slammed on the brakes when I saw this sign:
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Post by BATouttaheck on Aug 1, 2018 2:44:33 GMT
I think that Bogart became a BIG STAR because he knew that someday mikef6 would deserve a really cool avatar and he wanted to be sure he had one.
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Post by london777 on Aug 1, 2018 3:25:51 GMT
Nice, but if you saw one that said "Jeff Bailey" I would be really impressed.
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