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Post by Geddy on Apr 5, 2022 16:14:11 GMT
So what exactly do you find false about it? Just curious. I was taught the Bible is God's Word, given to humans to be passed down unchanged except for translation, and any alteration is a sin. The leather and paper itself were sacred. What they didn't tell us was the books are out of order, true for Old and New Testament. The books are copies of copies of copies of copies, etc., there are multiple versions of some, conflicting versions, some were modified to suit a particular political climate, and some are incomplete. That additions had been made to "tweak" the story of Jesus. That some of Paul's letters were not written by Paul. That incomplete versions were "finished" by later authors. The Gospels were written anonymously. Some of the confusing verses in the Bible are because there were no equivalent words or phrases in Greek so stories were changed or translated literally and rendered senseless. So basically you have a book of stories, with a few that are probably true-ish, some are basically parables but are presented as history, and some are little more than propaganda. They might have taught that in some churches but I assure it would have been a great shock in the churches I attended. Questioning the Bible or teachings of elders was a sin. You could ask questions but you were expected to accept the answers which very often were not very satisfying. There was no "punishment," except they would probably put you in a prayer circle and try to pray the devil out of you. At a young age, I remember pondering questions and immediately asking Jesus for forgiveness. In hindsight, maybe it was good I went to such a strict fundamentalist church because if they had been relaxed and reasonable I might never have bothered to question it. As a Christian if you say you are one, our job is not to question it as your church elders were right, but rather to believe in what is written in there. It doesnt really matter who wrote what or when, but the messages are what count. Bible scholarship takes a back seat to faith and belief and either you're a believer or you're not as study won't get you saved, but acceptance will.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Apr 5, 2022 16:47:00 GMT
Nobody believes in the bible i mean they believe in parts of it and than they ignore the parts they don`t like. Of course this is untrue. No its not. Believers cherry picks what they like and don`t like.
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Post by Sarge on Apr 5, 2022 17:18:50 GMT
I was taught the Bible is God's Word, given to humans to be passed down unchanged except for translation, and any alteration is a sin. The leather and paper itself were sacred. What they didn't tell us was the books are out of order, true for Old and New Testament. The books are copies of copies of copies of copies, etc., there are multiple versions of some, conflicting versions, some were modified to suit a particular political climate, and some are incomplete. That additions had been made to "tweak" the story of Jesus. That some of Paul's letters were not written by Paul. That incomplete versions were "finished" by later authors. The Gospels were written anonymously. Some of the confusing verses in the Bible are because there were no equivalent words or phrases in Greek so stories were changed or translated literally and rendered senseless. So basically you have a book of stories, with a few that are probably true-ish, some are basically parables but are presented as history, and some are little more than propaganda. They might have taught that in some churches but I assure it would have been a great shock in the churches I attended. Questioning the Bible or teachings of elders was a sin. You could ask questions but you were expected to accept the answers which very often were not very satisfying. There was no "punishment," except they would probably put you in a prayer circle and try to pray the devil out of you. At a young age, I remember pondering questions and immediately asking Jesus for forgiveness. In hindsight, maybe it was good I went to such a strict fundamentalist church because if they had been relaxed and reasonable I might never have bothered to question it. As a Christian if you say you are one, our job is not to question it as your church elders were right, but rather to believe in what is written in there. It doesnt really matter who wrote what or when, but the messages are what count. Bible scholarship takes a back seat to faith and belief and either you're a believer or you're not as study won't get you saved, but acceptance will. Deceit hides from examination. It does matter who wrote what and when and who assembled the Bible because it was all the work of men. The messages within are conflicting. It's not at all clear it is even the same god. Church interpretations of the Bible have changed through history. Not everyone agrees today, there are at least half a dozen major Christian factions and hundreds, probably thousands, of minor factions. If we include other Abrahamic based religions, it's hard to say how many variations. And almost universally, what one believes is totally dependent on where and when they were born. So, if there is a god, either it doesn't matter much what you believe or god's religion has been usurped by mankind.
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Post by Geddy on Apr 5, 2022 17:35:42 GMT
As a Christian if you say you are one, our job is not to question it as your church elders were right, but rather to believe in what is written in there. It doesnt really matter who wrote what or when, but the messages are what count. Bible scholarship takes a back seat to faith and belief and either you're a believer or you're not as study won't get you saved, but acceptance will. Deceit hides from examination. It does matter who wrote what and when and who assembled the Bible because it was all the work of men. The messages within are conflicting. It's not at all clear it is even the same god. Church interpretations of the Bible have changed through history. Not everyone agrees today, there are at least half a dozen major Christian factions and hundreds, probably thousands, of minor factions. If we include other Abrahamic based religions, it's hard to say how many variations. And almost universally, what one believes is totally dependent on where and when they were born. So, if there is a god, either it doesn't matter much what you believe or god's religion has been usurped by mankind. Thats totally ridiculous as Im having my doubts about who you say you are. There is no deceit and God's religion has not been usurped by mankind.
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Post by Sarge on Apr 5, 2022 23:02:27 GMT
Deceit hides from examination. It does matter who wrote what and when and who assembled the Bible because it was all the work of men. The messages within are conflicting. It's not at all clear it is even the same god. Church interpretations of the Bible have changed through history. Not everyone agrees today, there are at least half a dozen major Christian factions and hundreds, probably thousands, of minor factions. If we include other Abrahamic based religions, it's hard to say how many variations. And almost universally, what one believes is totally dependent on where and when they were born. So, if there is a god, either it doesn't matter much what you believe or god's religion has been usurped by mankind. Thats totally ridiculous as Im having my doubts about who you say you are. There is no deceit and God's religion has not been usurped by mankind. You found me out, I'm a secret agent for Lucifer.
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