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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 7, 2018 9:07:34 GMT
I don't see why these guys can't just move on. Whedon left on less than good terms after two Avengers movies and the third one turned out fine with a new team. I know the circumstances are obviously different, but it's not like GotG 2 was a masterpiece or anything. It was actually kind of mediocre... Who can say that the third one wouldn't benefit from a new direction... INNIT OR IT INNIT? Exactly! I didn't hate either of the Guardians films, but a new director could do something different with them that would be a welcome change for the franchise. I get that people like Gunn and his take on the team, but it's time to move on. And like you said about Whedon, this change could be a good thing. Hell it worked well for Infinity War. not just the Avengers trilogy. These ad hoc changes-of-direction based on real life reason are a MCU pattern and worked well for them commercially so far:
- Thor 1/2, then Thor 3 is a Guardians-like comedy - Cap 1/2 and then Cap 3 is an Avengers ensemble film abandoning the Hydra storyline and focusing on IM mommy issues/Spidermn/Panther origins. - IM 1/2 are simplistic CBM, IM 3 is deconstructive and darker
Why not with Guardians IP too (unless a further Gunn-bomb explodes tainting the IP too irreparably).
Cough...looks like Ant Man 3, *cough* if it ever comes out *cough* will likely see a drastic change of direction as well, end cough...
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Post by dazz on Aug 7, 2018 11:36:40 GMT
Look, we're blowing this thing out of proportion. Bautista specifically says he will fulfill his contract if necessary but will ask Disney to kill-off his character or replace him if Gunn's script isn't used. And to be honest, unless it's a really bad script I don't see why it can't be used or at least parts of it. Refusing to be in the movie if they don't use the script he wants isn't fulfilling his contract. He signed a multi-movie contract. As a actor, his only job is to read the script that's given to him and do what the Director tells him to do. Anything else is a breach of his contract. And the reason Disney wouldn't want to use Gunn's script is because if they use it, then they have to credit Gunn for the script. Disney wants to distance themselves from that scumbag pedophile Gunn so they won't want to use his script and have to credit him in the movie, especially since MCU fans stay through the credits to watch the post-credits scene. He isn't refusing anything dummy, he said if they scrap Gunn's script then he'd request to be let out of his contract and his character either killed off, wrote out or recast, but he's also outright said he will not breach his contract, if Disney refuses he'd still do the work required off him, he's just making it clear he doesn't agree with their actions in this situation and showing support to his friend.
Also you are a tremendous muppet if you think simply getting rid of Gunn will mean he wont get mentioned or credited in the film, I have heard it dozens of times about people getting writers credits for films when their is nothing of they actually wrote being in the film, it's just how that shit works.
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Post by blockbusted on Aug 7, 2018 11:41:03 GMT
Refusing to be in the movie if they don't use the script he wants isn't fulfilling his contract. He signed a multi-movie contract. As a actor, his only job is to read the script that's given to him and do what the Director tells him to do. Anything else is a breach of his contract. And the reason Disney wouldn't want to use Gunn's script is because if they use it, then they have to credit Gunn for the script. Disney wants to distance themselves from that scumbag pedophile Gunn so they won't want to use his script and have to credit him in the movie, especially since MCU fans stay through the credits to watch the post-credits scene. He isn't refusing anything dummy, he said if they scrap Gunn's script then he'd request to be let out of his contract and his character either killed off, wrote out or recast, but he's also outright said he will not breach his contract, if Disney refuses he'd still do the work required off him, he's just making it clear he doesn't agree with their actions in this situation and showing support to his friend.
Also you are a tremendous muppet if you think simply getting rid of Gunn will mean he wont get mentioned or credited in the film, I have heard it dozens of times about people getting writers credits for films when their is nothing of they actually wrote being in the film, it's just how that shit works.
Apparently, Friedberg/Seltzer got writing credits for ‘Scary Movie’ even though they practically didn’t write anything that made into the final film.
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Post by dazz on Aug 7, 2018 11:55:12 GMT
Yeah happens all the time, especially with things based on existing properties or other source material, for Scary Movie I can imagine if the premise is to spoof horror films especially newer ones of that time most of the same stuff is going to go into multiple peoples scripts for the same project, and if you were paid to write for the film you can prove hey I was hired, they cant prove though that they never used anything from your script and it just happened to be a coincidence that the scripts had the same elements.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Aug 7, 2018 12:41:39 GMT
Rebooting the Guardians of the Galaxy!
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 7, 2018 13:31:38 GMT
That's like Fox selling X-men back to Marvel because of Singer. X-men and Fox wasn't tarnished because of Singer because the only people that knows about the allegations was people like us. It's the same thing with Gunn and Disney. Joe Public doesn't know about it. Disney just pulled the plug on Gunn before it could become a big thing. And the irony is that them doing so made it a big thing. It would have blown over if they ignored it. But I think it's them jumping because of them buying Fox. The net effect is that it is now a big thing, my friend. Disney is going to act accordingly. But that is what I'm saying. It wouldn't have been a big thing. They made it a big thing when they fired him and upset a lot of people. Now it gets traction instead of disappearing.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 7, 2018 13:34:37 GMT
he did say that he'd do his job, but he'd rather be taken off the movie if Gunn's script isn't used. He's just asking to be taken off the movie. Do that is really a public ploy. No, Bautista is saying he won't do his job and honor his contract. Because when an actor signs a contract for a multi-picture deal, he can't just say I won't do this movie if I don't like the script. He signed for a multi-picture deal so he's required by contract to do it whether he likes the script or not. If he doesn't do it, then he's breaking his contract and they can sue him for it. No he said he'd rather get out of it, but he'd do his job out of obligation to the contract he signed. He's just asking Disney/Marvel to release him. He's professional enough to do his job.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 7, 2018 13:35:52 GMT
Look, we're blowing this thing out of proportion. Bautista specifically says he will fulfill his contract if necessary but will ask Disney to kill-off his character or replace him if Gunn's script isn't used. And to be honest, unless it's a really bad script I don't see why it can't be used or at least parts of it. Refusing to be in the movie if they don't use the script he wants isn't fulfilling his contract. He signed a multi-movie contract. As a actor, his only job is to read the script that's given to him and do what the Director tells him to do. Anything else is a breach of his contract. And the reason Disney wouldn't want to use Gunn's script is because if they use it, then they have to credit Gunn for the script. Disney wants to distance themselves from that scumbag pedophile Gunn so they won't want to use his script and have to credit him in the movie, especially since MCU fans stay through the credits to watch the post-credits scene. Nowhere does it say he's just going to walk out.
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Post by ryboto on Aug 7, 2018 13:40:26 GMT
This whole thing is ridiculous. Do we fire comedians for offensive jokes? Do their careers bomb, or do we laugh sometimes? Bautista seems like he's got some integrity. I'm interested to see if he follows through.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 15:20:51 GMT
These GotG cast members are getting really fucking annoying . And Bautista being the biggest clown of them all right now. Gunn has no one to blame but his own creepy self. I do find it funny that Bautista is threatening to quit if they don't use Gunn's "brilliant" script. I can only imagine how great the dialogue is in it too . The last script featured such lines as "oh my nipples!" & "I have famously huge turds" or something like that.
Also, its pretty pathetic & kinda funny that a lot of MCU fans are acting like Gunn is some massive talent. He's not. Acting like the MCU is losing Christopher Nolan or something haha. All these MCU directors are interchangeable & replaceable .
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Post by hobowar on Aug 7, 2018 16:18:47 GMT
These GotG cast members are getting really fucking annoying . And Bautista being the biggest clown of them all right now. Gunn has no one to blame but his own creepy self. I do find it funny that Bautista is threatening to quit if they don't use Gunn's "brilliant" script. I can only imagine how great the dialogue is in it too . The last script featured such lines as "oh my nipples!" & "I have famously huge turds" or something like that. Also, its pretty pathetic & kinda funny that a lot of MCU fans are acting like Gunn is some massive talent. He's not. Acting like the MCU is losing Christopher Nolan or something haha. All these MCU directors are interchangeable & replaceable . Christopher Nolan isn't fit to lick James Gunn's butthole.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Aug 7, 2018 16:27:00 GMT
These GotG cast members are getting really fucking annoying . And Bautista being the biggest clown of them all right now. Gunn has no one to blame but his own creepy self. I do find it funny that Bautista is threatening to quit if they don't use Gunn's "brilliant" script. I can only imagine how great the dialogue is in it too . The last script featured such lines as "oh my nipples!" & "I have famously huge turds" or something like that. Also, its pretty pathetic & kinda funny that a lot of MCU fans are acting like Gunn is some massive talent. He's not. Acting like the MCU is losing Christopher Nolan or something haha. All these MCU directors are interchangeable & replaceable . Christopher Nolan isn't fit to lick James Gunn's butthole. Because he's not 3 year old boy?
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 7, 2018 16:39:01 GMT
Disney should cancel GotG3 and retcon the first 2 GotG movies out of MCU. There's already precedence for retconning out movies from a franchise, with the Terminator movies. It's going to be hard to do that since the guardians were already in Infinity War. They can retcon out Infinity War too since Avengers 4 is just going to reverse everything that happened in Infinity War anyway.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Aug 7, 2018 16:42:47 GMT
It's going to be hard to do that since the guardians were already in Infinity War. They can retcon out Infinity War too since Avengers 4 is just going to reverse everything that happened in Infinity War anyway. But why bother? Just kill off the guardians in Avengers 4. It's a easy fix.
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Post by hobowar on Aug 7, 2018 16:50:00 GMT
They can retcon out Infinity War too since Avengers 4 is just going to reverse everything that happened in Infinity War anyway. But why bother? Just kill off the guardians in Avengers 4. It's a easy fix. Nooooo, I'm boycotting the entire franchise if anyone dies in Avengers 4.
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 7, 2018 17:00:52 GMT
if you think simply getting rid of Gunn will mean he wont get mentioned or credited in the film, I have heard it dozens of times about people getting writers credits for films when their is nothing of they actually wrote being in the film, it's just how that shit works. All the more reason for Disney to just cancel GtG3. Then they won't ever have to credit that scumbag pedophile Gunn in any of their movies ever again.
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 7, 2018 17:10:10 GMT
if you think simply getting rid of Gunn will mean he wont get mentioned or credited in the film, I have heard it dozens of times about people getting writers credits for films when their is nothing of they actually wrote being in the film, it's just how that shit works. All the more reason for Disney to just cancel GtG3. Then they won't ever have to credit that scumbag pedophile Gunn in any of their movies ever again. So can you prove Gunn is an actual pedophile?
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Post by ryboto on Aug 7, 2018 17:16:06 GMT
if you think simply getting rid of Gunn will mean he wont get mentioned or credited in the film, I have heard it dozens of times about people getting writers credits for films when their is nothing of they actually wrote being in the film, it's just how that shit works. All the more reason for Disney to just cancel GtG3. Then they won't ever have to credit that scumbag pedophile Gunn in any of their movies ever again. Prove you're not a pedophile. Otherwise I'm calling you one. Pedophile.
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 7, 2018 17:26:19 GMT
All the more reason for Disney to just cancel GtG3. Then they won't ever have to credit that scumbag pedophile Gunn in any of their movies ever again. Prove you're not a pedophile. I've never attended any NAMBLA meetings like James Gunn did.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Aug 7, 2018 17:44:15 GMT
These GotG cast members are getting really fucking annoying . And Bautista being the biggest clown of them all right now. Gunn has no one to blame but his own creepy self. I do find it funny that Bautista is threatening to quit if they don't use Gunn's "brilliant" script. I can only imagine how great the dialogue is in it too . The last script featured such lines as "oh my nipples!" & "I have famously huge turds" or something like that. Also, its pretty pathetic & kinda funny that a lot of MCU fans are acting like Gunn is some massive talent. He's not. Acting like the MCU is losing Christopher Nolan or something haha. All these MCU directors are interchangeable & replaceable . Well, his first film is considered by many to be one of the best films in the MCU, and even received a WGA nominated for Adapted Screenplay, the only MCU movie to do that, so James Gunn does have talent.
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