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Post by Riddick on Aug 11, 2018 17:48:02 GMT
oh dear.. formershamd still on the talk to me stinct after getting ignored. wait till he gets banned again. LMAO. He must be really have a poor life, if comes back over and over again. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 11, 2018 18:21:53 GMT
oh dear.. formershamd still on the talk to me stinct after getting ignored. wait till he gets banned again. LMAO. He must be really have a poor life, if comes back over and over again. His life is clearly empty and meaningless! We should prolly bump that roast thread... |
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Post by James on Aug 11, 2018 18:23:58 GMT
Agreed 100% on the OP. It might fit up there with the upper half of the MCU.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 11, 2018 18:25:51 GMT
Agreed 100% on the OP. It might fit up there with the upper half of the MCU. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE DOXXER FORMERSAMHMD? |
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Post by James on Aug 11, 2018 18:30:44 GMT
Agreed 100% on the OP. It might fit up there with the upper half of the MCU. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE DOXXER FORMERSAMHMD? Nah. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 11, 2018 18:32:58 GMT
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE DOXXER FORMERSAMHMD? Nah. You're a gentleman and a scholar. I respect that. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 11, 2018 20:29:14 GMT
Perfect adaptation, I give it 10 out of 10 talons. Hee hee hee...  Really? That's awesome, man. But, to be honest, a touch surprising. I'm guessing you haven't mentioned this opinion over on KW... I did once. It did not go over well! Assuming that you treat the Fox X-Men films as only loosely based on its source material, this film is at least a solid 9/10. A good movie is a good movie. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 20:37:56 GMT
Really? That's awesome, man. But, to be honest, a touch surprising. I'm guessing you haven't mentioned this opinion over on KW... I did once. It did not go over well! Assuming that you treat the Fox X-Men films as only loosely based on it's source material, this film is at least a solid 9/10. A good movie is a good movie. I respect that. I wont go into a lengthy defense of them, but I look at all of these comic movies as being loosely based on the source material. I mean, the Extremis story (which is the only Iron Man comic I've ever read) is not very similar to the film adaptation at all. Of course, neither is the Mandarin. And really, at the end of the day, all of these movies deviate quite a lot from the source material. And I'd argue that the X Men movies get the important stuff very right. Especially in regards to the themes of discrimination and diversity. But anyways, we do agree that it's a good movie so I digress... |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 11, 2018 20:42:27 GMT
Really? That's awesome, man. But, to be honest, a touch surprising. I'm guessing you haven't mentioned this opinion over on KW... I did once. It did not go over well! Assuming that you treat the Fox X-Men films as only loosely based on it's source material, this film is at least a solid 9/10. A good movie is a good movie. Fuckin' A, LDM. I find the application to these earlier films of the MCU standard, a formula or at least a structure for visual storytelling that ironically stood entirely on the shoulders of the giants Raimi, Nolan, and Singer, and subsequent conclusion that they're inherently deficient because Wolverine isn't running around in yellow and black to be total hogwash. It's like watching a pro wrestling match from the 80s and bitching that the workrate sucks and there's no high spots. You know, that product wasn't designed for smug hipster pricks from 2018 any more than X2 was in 2002/03 when they made it. It's a great fucking movie. Prolly my favorite X-film. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 20:46:00 GMT
I agree. It is one of the best Marvel movies.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Aug 11, 2018 20:54:18 GMT
It had some exciting well edited and choreographed scenes like the White House and military attack on the mansion, the Wolverine fight.
Brian Cox is a more threatening villain than anyone in the MCU.
I think dramatically it is weaker than the first, but that one had less interesting action.
But it's about mutants, not super heroes.
If some of that kind of approach was given to the action scenes in a costumed superhero movie it could be pretty good.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 21:03:44 GMT
X2 is my personal favorite. Honestly I liked it more than DoFP. Yeah I honestly found DOFP to be really overhyped. X2 was way better. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 11, 2018 21:10:23 GMT
It had some exciting well edited and choreographed scenes like the White House and military attack on the mansion, the Wolverine fight. Brian Cox is a more threatening villain than anyone in the MCU.
I think dramatically it is weaker than the first, but that one had less interesting action.But it's about mutants, not super heroes. If some of that kind of approach was given to the action scenes in a costumed superhero movie it could be pretty good. Good point. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 11, 2018 21:23:27 GMT
Assuming that you treat the Fox X-Men films as only loosely based on it's source material, this film is at least a solid 9/10. A good movie is a good movie. I respect that. I wont go into a lengthy defense of them, but I look at all of these comic movies as being loosely based on the source material. I mean, the Extremis story (which is the only Iron Man comic I've ever read) is not very similar to the film adaptation at all. Of course, neither is the Mandarin. And really, at the end of the day, all of these movies deviate quite a lot from the source material. And I'd argue that the X Men movies get the important stuff very right. Especially in regards to the themes of discrimination and diversity. But anyways, we do agree that it's a good movie so I digress... Fair enough. In my, admittedly warped mind, there is a difference between loosely adapting the situations and circumstances of a story and loosely adapting the characters themselves... But whatever, all I know is that after two decades of their continuing saga, I'm ready for a new take. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 11, 2018 21:29:38 GMT
Assuming that you treat the Fox X-Men films as only loosely based on it's source material, this film is at least a solid 9/10. A good movie is a good movie. Fuckin' A, LDM. I find the application to these earlier films of the MCU standard, a formula or at least a structure for visual storytelling that ironically stood entirely on the shoulders of the giants Raimi, Nolan, and Singer, and subsequent conclusion that they're inherently deficient because Wolverine isn't running around in yellow and black to be total hogwash. It's like watching a pro wrestling match from the 80s and bitching that the workrate sucks and there's no high spots. You know, that product wasn't designed for smug hipster pricks from 2018 any more than X2 was in 2002/03 when they made it. It's a great fucking movie. Prolly my favorite X-film. For a hit and miss franchise, First Class and X2 were solid home runs for me. I'm not contesting that. It's when people start preaching about how accurate they are to the source that things get a bit thorny. No comic book movie is a perfect adaptation of the source. The X-Men franchise started out using a framework for its stories and characterizations (as seen through Singer's point of view), and the franchise had to grow organically from there. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 11, 2018 21:32:56 GMT
Fuckin' A, LDM. I find the application to these earlier films of the MCU standard, a formula or at least a structure for visual storytelling that ironically stood entirely on the shoulders of the giants Raimi, Nolan, and Singer, and subsequent conclusion that they're inherently deficient because Wolverine isn't running around in yellow and black to be total hogwash. It's like watching a pro wrestling match from the 80s and bitching that the workrate sucks and there's no high spots. You know, that product wasn't designed for smug hipster pricks from 2018 any more than X2 was in 2002/03 when they made it. It's a great fucking movie. Prolly my favorite X-film. For a hit and miss franchise, First Class and X2 were solid home runs for me. I'm not contesting that. It's when people start preaching about how accurate they are to the source that things get a bit thorny. No comic book movie is a perfect adaptation of the source. The X-Men franchise started out using a framework for its stories and characterizations (as seen through Singer's point of view), and the franchise had to grow organically from there. Yo, those two worked the best for me as a fan too. I would add in Logan to the trinity as well to round out my top three. |
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Post by kanekikun on Aug 11, 2018 21:57:46 GMT
but infity war did show what would really happen if people stopped doing stuff, x2 didnt. how is x2 better than how finity war showed it?
x2 loses to a lot of the mcu.
Admittedly you aren't wrong, the idea that every human in existence was suddenly hit with a crippling pain and brought to the brink of being killed via Xaviers mental powers and yet there was no widespread damage or chaos shown or really mentioned iirc is silly, but it's a 15 year old movie, that's like complaining about how in Superman it's silly he can hold up one side of a commercial plane or helicopter with one hand and it do no actual damage to either, given how to hold it up it would require Supes to put enough force on the metal to fuck with it.
At the time it worked so why nitpick?
its double standard. x2 ending should show all the damage done.
thanos is better than stryker.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 11, 2018 21:59:43 GMT
Admittedly you aren't wrong, the idea that every human in existence was suddenly hit with a crippling pain and brought to the brink of being killed via Xaviers mental powers and yet there was no widespread damage or chaos shown or really mentioned iirc is silly, but it's a 15 year old movie, that's like complaining about how in Superman it's silly he can hold up one side of a commercial plane or helicopter with one hand and it do no actual damage to either, given how to hold it up it would require Supes to put enough force on the metal to fuck with it.
At the time it worked so why nitpick?
its double standard. x2 ending should show all the damage done.
thanos is better than stryker.
lol, classic Sammy. |
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Post by charzhino on Aug 11, 2018 22:04:46 GMT
Admittedly you aren't wrong, the idea that every human in existence was suddenly hit with a crippling pain and brought to the brink of being killed via Xaviers mental powers and yet there was no widespread damage or chaos shown or really mentioned iirc is silly, but it's a 15 year old movie, that's like complaining about how in Superman it's silly he can hold up one side of a commercial plane or helicopter with one hand and it do no actual damage to either, given how to hold it up it would require Supes to put enough force on the metal to fuck with it.
At the time it worked so why nitpick?
its double standard. x2 ending should show all the damage done.
thanos is better than stryker.
Damage was done, they introduced the cure in X3 which became weaponised against mutants because the public was still afraid of them. All the damage in IW is just going to be reset and you know it. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 11, 2018 22:10:51 GMT
For a hit and miss franchise, First Class and X2 were solid home runs for me. I'm not contesting that. It's when people start preaching about how accurate they are to the source that things get a bit thorny. No comic book movie is a perfect adaptation of the source. The X-Men franchise started out using a framework for its stories and characterizations (as seen through Singer's point of view), and the franchise had to grow organically from there. Yo, those two worked the best for me as a fan too. I would add in Logan to the trinity as well to round out my top three. Logan is a good film. It would be dead last in that list of movies for me though. The character arc and Jackman's performance worked well for me but, everything else felt like Old Man Logan light. Patrick Stewart is a highlight of the film for sure. I didn't care much for X-23, X-24 the super-powered version of the Bad News Bears, or Dr. Rice. Pierce was on the verge of being interesting, but it all fell apart for him in the third act. |
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