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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 11, 2018 22:16:48 GMT
Yo, those two worked the best for me as a fan too. I would add in Logan to the trinity as well to round out my top three. Logan is a good film. It would be dead last in that list of movies for me though. The character arc and Jackman's performance worked well for me but, everything else felt like Old Man Logan light. Patrick Stewart is a highlight of the film for sure. I didn't care much for X-23, X-24 the super-powered version of the Bad News Bears, or Dr. Rice. Pierce was on the verge of being interesting, but it all fell apart for him in the third act. From a pure fanboy standpoint I would've preferred Omega Red, and from a character standpoint Cyber made way more sense, BUT: I get why, in their conceit of the XCU as basically a long story in which Wolverine is the protagonist, the only/most credible threat they could throw at him after ten damn films was a younger clone of himself. It made sense to me given the way the previous films were made.
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Post by kanekikun on Aug 11, 2018 22:17:31 GMT
its double standard. x2 ending should show all the damage done.
thanos is better than stryker.
Damage was done, they introduced the cure in X3 which became weaponised against mutants because the public was still afraid of them. All the damage in IW is just going to be reset and you know it. there was no damage we didnt see planes crashing or cars crashing or cities going crazy because everyone started having headaches. that would kill millions or billions but at the end of x2 nothing had happened and no one was dead. xavire didnt feel bad what he helped do.
if iw is fixed it will be becase the survivors died to do it. they dont wuss out.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 11, 2018 22:19:11 GMT
Damage was done, they introduced the cure in X3 which became weaponised against mutants because the public was still afraid of them. All the damage in IW is just going to be reset and you know it. there was no damage we didnt see planes crashing or cars crashing or cities going crazy because everyone started having headaches. that would kill millions or billions but at the end of x2 nothing had happened and no one was dead. xavire didnt feel bad what he helped do.
if iw is fixed it will be becase the survivors died to do it. they dont wuss out.
Sammy, were you shocked Fury literally bit the dust? I was. Didn't much like seeing Fury go, to be honest.
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Post by charzhino on Aug 11, 2018 22:34:29 GMT
Damage was done, they introduced the cure in X3 which became weaponised against mutants because the public was still afraid of them. All the damage in IW is just going to be reset and you know it. there was no damage we didnt see planes crashing or cars crashing or cities going crazy because everyone started having headaches. that would kill millions or billions but at the end of x2 nothing had happened and no one was dead. xavire didnt feel bad what he helped do.
if iw is fixed it will be becase the survivors died to do it. they dont wuss out.
Xavier had to in masterminds illusion for a lot longer for any serious damage to be done. But the president shown being incapacitated is a pretty big deal. Not like X films have held back on consequences given Magnetos destruction in Apocalypse. The only time anything grave happens in the MCU is IW.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 11, 2018 22:43:45 GMT
Logan is a good film. It would be dead last in that list of movies for me though. The character arc and Jackman's performance worked well for me but, everything else felt like Old Man Logan light. Patrick Stewart is a highlight of the film for sure. I didn't care much for X-23, X-24 the super-powered version of the Bad News Bears, or Dr. Rice. Pierce was on the verge of being interesting, but it all fell apart for him in the third act. From a pure fanboy standpoint I would've preferred Omega Red, and from a character standpoint Cyber made way more sense, BUT: I get why, in their conceit of the XCU as basically a long story in which Wolverine is the protagonist, the only/most credible threat they could throw at him after ten damn films was a younger clone of himself. It made sense to me given the way the previous films were made. It felt like X-24 was meant to be a proxy for Daken. Not that he's the most significant character in the X-Men lore but, there would have been real thematic parallels between the two had it been him instead of X-24. The presence of a son who embraces killing instead of a mindless automaton would have made for a triangle between Logan, X-23; his surrogate daughter, and Daken; a pure sociopath who is also Logan's son. That said, I get it, Mangold made a personal film, and I applaud him for going his own way. Had I made the film, I would have added; More Reavers (with weirder prosthesis) More vehicular combat in desert settings Daken (as a substitute for X-24) And I would have probably killed the kids Moreover, I would have probably also made Charles into the real heavy. When they classified him as a WMD, I thought was where they were going with it.
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Post by kanekikun on Aug 11, 2018 22:51:37 GMT
there was no damage we didnt see planes crashing or cars crashing or cities going crazy because everyone started having headaches. that would kill millions or billions but at the end of x2 nothing had happened and no one was dead. xavire didnt feel bad what he helped do.
if iw is fixed it will be becase the survivors died to do it. they dont wuss out.
Xavier had to in masterminds illusion for a lot longer for any serious damage to be done. But the president shown being incapacitated is a pretty big deal. Not like X films have held back on consequences given Magnetos destruction in Apocalypse. The only time anything grave happens in the MCU is IW. no the damage would be done in minutes, cars and planes going out of control for seconds is all you need. there shouldve been plane crashed everywhere and car crashes and power plants blowing up and stuff. saying no one died is just bad writing.
xmen forgot about apocalypse by dark phoenix. nothing changed.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 11, 2018 22:52:56 GMT
Xavier had to in masterminds illusion for a lot longer for any serious damage to be done. But the president shown being incapacitated is a pretty big deal. Not like X films have held back on consequences given Magnetos destruction in Apocalypse. The only time anything grave happens in the MCU is IW. no the damage would be done in minutes, cars and planes going out of control for seconds is all you need. there shouldve been plane crashed everywhere and car crashes and power plants blowing up and stuff. saying no one died is just bad writing.
xmen forgot about apocalypse by dark phoenix. nothing changed.
Nah, everything changed.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 11, 2018 22:55:15 GMT
From a pure fanboy standpoint I would've preferred Omega Red, and from a character standpoint Cyber made way more sense, BUT: I get why, in their conceit of the XCU as basically a long story in which Wolverine is the protagonist, the only/most credible threat they could throw at him after ten damn films was a younger clone of himself. It made sense to me given the way the previous films were made. It felt like X-24 was meant to be a proxy for Daken. Not that he's the most significant character in the X-Men lore but, there would have been real thematic parallels between the two had it been him instead of X-24. The presence of a son who embraces killing instead of a mindless automaton would have made for a triangle between Logan, X-23; his surrogate daughter, and Daken; a pure sociopath who is also Logan's son. That said, I get it, Mangold made a personal film, and I applaud him for going his own way. Had I made the film, I would have added; More Reavers (with weirder prosthesis) More vehicular combat in desert settings Daken (as a substitute for X-24) I would have probably killed the kids Moreover, I would have probably made Charles into the real heavy. When they classified him as a WMD, I thought that is where they were going with it. I would've enjoyed most of those changes, except the killing of the kids if you're including X-23. Otherwise, fine. It's really not what the movie is about, but I wish they'd been a bit less subtle and cryptic about what exactly happened with the X-Men and taken a little more time with that. (I mean, I think it is stated outright or at least partially that Charles basically killed them all, but...)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 23:55:41 GMT
It felt like X-24 was meant to be a proxy for Daken. Not that he's the most significant character in the X-Men lore but, there would have been real thematic parallels between the two had it been him instead of X-24. The presence of a son who embraces killing instead of a mindless automaton would have made for a triangle between Logan, X-23; his surrogate daughter, and Daken; a pure sociopath who is also Logan's son. That said, I get it, Mangold made a personal film, and I applaud him for going his own way. Had I made the film, I would have added; More Reavers (with weirder prosthesis) More vehicular combat in desert settings Daken (as a substitute for X-24) I would have probably killed the kids Moreover, I would have probably made Charles into the real heavy. When they classified him as a WMD, I thought that is where they were going with it. I would've enjoyed most of those changes, except the killing of the kids if you're including X-23. Otherwise, fine. It's really not what the movie is about, but I wish they'd been a bit less subtle and cryptic about what exactly happened with the X-Men and taken a little more time with that. (I mean, I think it is stated outright or at least partially that Charles basically killed them all, but...) I read that it almost opened with the mansion scene. I'm glad they didn't do that, but I agree they should've gone a bit further by at least confirming exactly who died. I think it works brilliantly as an inciting incident for the story though. Logan is essentially trying to save what's left of his family after losing most of them... Which is only Xavier. By the end of the story he instead finds true family in the form of his daughter. A beautiful arc that is honestly better than anything in the MCU. (Suck on that FormerSam!) I also like that it's a clear allusion to the inciting incident in the Old Man logan comic, where Wolverine himself kills the X Men.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 12, 2018 0:41:41 GMT
I would've enjoyed most of those changes, except the killing of the kids if you're including X-23. Otherwise, fine. It's really not what the movie is about, but I wish they'd been a bit less subtle and cryptic about what exactly happened with the X-Men and taken a little more time with that. (I mean, I think it is stated outright or at least partially that Charles basically killed them all, but...) I read that it almost opened with the mansion scene. I'm glad they didn't do that, but I agree they should've gone a bit further by at least confirming exactly who died. I think it works brilliantly as an inciting incident for the story though. Logan is essentially trying to save what's left of his family after losing most of them... Which is only Xavier. By the end of the story he instead finds true family in the form of his daughter. A beautiful arc that is honestly better than anything in the MCU. (Suck on that FormerSam!) I also like that it's a clear allusion to the inciting incident in the Old Man logan comic, where Wolverine himself kills the X Men. Great post. I agree.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Aug 12, 2018 0:46:49 GMT
I read that it almost opened with the mansion scene. I'm glad they didn't do that, but I agree they should've gone a bit further by at least confirming exactly who died. I think it works brilliantly as an inciting incident for the story though. Logan is essentially trying to save what's left of his family after losing most of them... Which is only Xavier. By the end of the story he instead finds true family in the form of his daughter. A beautiful arc that is honestly better than anything in the MCU. (Suck on that FormerSam!) I also like that it's a clear allusion to the inciting incident in the Old Man logan comic, where Wolverine himself kills the X Men. Great post. I agree. ALL F.G.A. POSTS ARE GREAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!4
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 12, 2018 0:47:34 GMT
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 12, 2018 1:24:36 GMT
but infity war did show what would really happen if people stopped doing stuff, x2 didnt. how is x2 better than how finity war showed it?
x2 loses to a lot of the mcu.
that's like complaining about how in Superman it's silly he can hold up one side of a commercial plane or helicopter with one hand and it do no actual damage to either, given how to hold it up it would require Supes to put enough force on the metal to fuck with it.
It isn't silly at all. If you understand how Superman flies, then it makes perfect sense that Superman can hold up a helicopter with 1 hand or hold up 1 side of a commercial passenger jet and not do any actual damage to either. It also explains why when Superman takes Lois flying over Metropolis and is just holding Lois by 1 hand, why Lois' entire body is able to remain horizontal instead of the rest of her body hanging down from her hand.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 12, 2018 4:06:23 GMT
that's like complaining about how in Superman it's silly he can hold up one side of a commercial plane or helicopter with one hand and it do no actual damage to either, given how to hold it up it would require Supes to put enough force on the metal to fuck with it.
It isn't silly at all. If you understand how Superman flies, then it makes perfect sense that Superman can hold up a helicopter with 1 hand or hold up 1 side of a commercial passenger jet and not do any actual damage to either. It also explains why when Superman takes Lois flying over Metropolis and is just holding Lois by 1 hand, why Lois' entire body is able to remain horizontal instead of the rest of her body hanging down from her hand. The grandeur and elegance of those classic scenes absolutely blows away any of the gaudy action scenes in the modern DCEU or MCU, and you've got the absolutely unparalleled John Williams score over the top of it. Wow! I particularly love the rooftop scene from the first film.
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Post by dazz on Aug 12, 2018 6:25:54 GMT
that's like complaining about how in Superman it's silly he can hold up one side of a commercial plane or helicopter with one hand and it do no actual damage to either, given how to hold it up it would require Supes to put enough force on the metal to fuck with it.
It isn't silly at all. If you understand how Superman flies, then it makes perfect sense that Superman can hold up a helicopter with 1 hand or hold up 1 side of a commercial passenger jet and not do any actual damage to either. It also explains why when Superman takes Lois flying over Metropolis and is just holding Lois by 1 hand, why Lois' entire body is able to remain horizontal instead of the rest of her body hanging down from her hand. Ok then how does Superman fly?
The most likely reason for all this is because it was the 70's and they didn't know better, or care as much back then for films to look realistic, which is why now in films they actually do show these things, but im not dogging on Superman it's a classic film and for those things it cannot be judged by modern standards, us as an audience have got to the point now where some of those moments have to be more than just cinematic because we have seen it so many times we now get all fussy about shit.
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 12, 2018 6:54:48 GMT
It isn't silly at all. If you understand how Superman flies, then it makes perfect sense that Superman can hold up a helicopter with 1 hand or hold up 1 side of a commercial passenger jet and not do any actual damage to either. It also explains why when Superman takes Lois flying over Metropolis and is just holding Lois by 1 hand, why Lois' entire body is able to remain horizontal instead of the rest of her body hanging down from her hand. Ok then how does Superman fly?
Some background information: There was a book titled " The Science of Superman". The author attempted to provide scientific explanations for how Superman's powers work. For example, heat vision. Superman stores light from the yellow sun in his eyes and then redirects the light through the lenses of his eyes. The lenses of his eyes cause the light to turn into heat, similar to how you can use a magnifying glass to reflect sunlight and start a fire. The author attempted to provide scientific explanations for Superman's other powers as well. But the author didn't have a scientific explanation for how Superman flies because in order for something to fly, it has to generate lift (e.g. birds and planes generate lift using their wings, helicopters generate lift using their propellers). But Superman didn't appear to have any mechanism to generate lift so the author didn't have a scientific explanation for how Superman flies. A few years after that book was published, a DC Comics writer came up with a brilliant solution for how Superman flies. Lift basically has the opposite effect of gravity i.e. gravity pulls things down while lift "pulls" things up. So the solution was basically "anti-gravity". Under a yellow sun, Kryptonians have the ability to manipulate the gravitational field around themselves and any object they touch. So when Superman holds the helicopter with 1 hand or holds up 1 side of the passenger jet, he's able to manipulate the gravitational field around the entire helicopter or entire passenger jet. That's why the helicopter and the passenger jet don't break. That also explains why when Superman took Lois flying over Metropolis, he was able to just hold Lois by 1 hand and Lois' entire body remained horizontal rather than the rest of her body hanging down from her hand. Because Superman manipulated the gravitational field around Lois' entire body. Of course, like with most laws of physics, the heavier an object, the more force required. That's why it took a lot more effort for Superman to manipulate the gravitational field around the entire passenger jet as opposed to manipulating the gravitational field around the helicopter or around Lois.
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Post by sostie on Aug 12, 2018 8:19:42 GMT
Ok then how does Superman fly?
Superman stores light from the yellow sun in his eyes And what was the scientific explanation for that? How does that explain how he can propel himself to speeds beyond the speed of light Aaaaah! That would "explain" why he was able to excavate and carry A WHOLE FUCKING BUILDING in Justice League!!! it seems all so less ridiculous now it's explained.
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 12, 2018 8:28:26 GMT
Superman stores light from the yellow sun in his eyes And what was the scientific explanation for that? Kryptonians have that unique ability under a yellow sun. How does that explain how he can propel himself to speeds beyond the speed of light Superman doesn't travel beyond the speed of light. Only the Speed Force can exceed the speed of light and Superman doesn't use the Speed Force. Superman can travel at near light speed but not beyond the speed of light. That's explained by Kryptonians having the unique ability under a yellow sun to manipulate the gravitational field around themselves and any objects they touch. According to Einstein, the speed of gravity is the same as the speed of light. So manipulating the gravitational field allows Superman to travel at near light speed. Aaaaah! That would "explain" why he was able to excavate and carry A WHOLE FUCKING BUILDING in Justice League!!! Same concept as how Superman held up the helicopter with 1 hand and held up the passenger jet. By manipulating the gravitational field around the building, just like he manipulated the gravitational field around the helicopter and around the passenger jet.
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