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Post by Häns Haferflöcken on Jan 28, 2019 5:00:51 GMT
Die Pfefferwächter
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Post by Nalkarj on Feb 2, 2019 2:09:04 GMT
So, which should I see first, Excalibur or Star Trek: The Movie? President Ackbar™ recommended both.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Feb 2, 2019 2:24:07 GMT
Whoa you shut off the movie? Argh. I hate stopping a movie. I only do that in extreme cases like no subtitles or something. No matter how bad it is, I watch it through (maybe with some fastforwarding).
The only thing that impressed me with the Watchmen was how closely it followed the "look" of the comic but that was also its downside. It was not a cinematic story--it felt claustrophobic. I think Alan Moore is seriously overrated. In The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen he also had a Rorshach type character-the Invisible Man, who is sadistically violent. The casting was quite accurate to the comic as well. I was surprised to find out later that Haley was the kid in various 70s era movies--the one who got stomped to death by Homer Simpson (Donald Sutherland) in Day of the Locust.
For chronology sake I would go with ST: TMP.
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Post by Nalkarj on Feb 2, 2019 2:28:39 GMT
Well, I mean, I could always start it up again, Primemovermithrax Pejorative —I was just watching it on Netflix. More than anything, it was just really boring, and I wondered why I was watching it when I could be doing other things. I could finish it up. “Sadistically violent”—good way to describe it. “Needlessly,” too. And boring. I find violence really boring, for the most part, in addition to gratuitous and skin-crawling. Does Watchmen improve? It’s one heck of a long movie. Lemme see where I can find Star Trek—it was on TV the other day, I should have recorded it then. Excalibur interests me because I’m a King Arthur fan.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Feb 2, 2019 2:49:02 GMT
So, which should I see first, Excalibur or Star Trek: The Movie? President Ackbar™ recommended both. They are both great. The only thing I can think of is that EXCALIBUR has no sequels. So you could watch it, and be done. Once you watch ST:TMP, it is possible you will want to continue on, with II and III
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Post by Nalkarj on Feb 2, 2019 2:52:12 GMT
So, which should I see first, Excalibur or Star Trek: The Movie? President Ackbar™ recommended both. They are both great. The only thing I can think of is that EXCALIBUR has no sequels. So you could watch it, and be done. Once you watch ST:TMP, it is possible you will want to continue on, with II and III OK, will do! Thought one or the other would be available through one of the streaming sites, but no such luck, so I’ll have to find them first. Thanks!
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Feb 2, 2019 3:11:41 GMT
Does Watchmen improve? It’s one heck of a long movie. Not in my estimation. I am not sure which version I watched. While there were some emotionally effective moments in the comic, ultimately I think it was a failed experiment, trying to make comics "adult" but faltering do to it being stuck recycling old movie concepts like Fail Safe. Felt pretentious to me. And the makeup on Nixon...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 21:16:55 GMT
The Watchmen comic is fantastic. The movie is pretty flawed. But I like it because I am able to sort of fill in the characterization with what I know from the source material.
There is a self awareness and irony to the comic that the movie mostly neglects to capture. What you said above about Rorshack being Batman to the logical extreme is true. The comic sort of looks at what superheroes would be if they really existed, and the answer it presents is basically: extremely neurotic and psychologically warped. The comic presents this in a much more nuanced and compelling manner though. Snyder dumbs it down considerably.
I completely agree about the violence though. It's completely gratuitous and ruins the movie. I wish they reigned Snyder in.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Feb 2, 2019 21:21:25 GMT
I read the comic before seeing the movie. The book works better for what it is trying to do than the movie-which fails because all the supposedly edgy stuff in the comic had already been done in movies for decades. However Moore just strikes me as massively pretentious with a weird sex focus. He's a British writer doing American comic books. At least with the spaghetti or euro western, it was europeans making westerns for europeans. Moore is just another piece of the global mishmash of culture we get bombarded with.
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Post by Nalkarj on Feb 4, 2019 23:00:19 GMT
Stopped by the library, picked up Excalibur (and Superman II, to see whichever version I haven’t seen). May do a live review tonight. I looked for ST too, but the only one they have other than the new ones is the whale one!
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Feb 4, 2019 23:31:15 GMT
Stopped by the library, picked up Excalibur (and Superman II, to see whichever version I haven’t seen). May do a live review tonight. I looked for ST too, but the only one they have other than the new ones is the whale one!
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Post by Nalkarj on Feb 4, 2019 23:32:16 GMT
Stopped by the library, picked up Excalibur (and Superman II, to see whichever version I haven’t seen). May do a live review tonight. I looked for ST too, but the only one they have other than the new ones is the whale one! THAT’S THE ONE! Also known as GIVE KIRK THE MAGICAL SWORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!4
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Feb 4, 2019 23:35:54 GMT
THAT’S THE ONE! Also known as GIVE KIRK THE MAGICAL SWORD!
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Post by Nalkarj on Feb 5, 2019 1:47:56 GMT
OK, as stated, I’m going to take a look at Excalibur tonight… All are welcome to join in!
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Post by Nalkarj on Feb 5, 2019 2:09:31 GMT
Sorry, pause again.
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Post by Nalkarj on Feb 5, 2019 2:26:01 GMT
OK, starting up!
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Post by Nalkarj on Feb 5, 2019 2:31:20 GMT
I’m amazed how much of this was borrowed (i.e., stolen) for the Merlin miniseries with Sam Neill.
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Post by Nalkarj on Feb 5, 2019 2:34:55 GMT
On the other hand, I suppose it does make more sense of the legend, with all so many different swords and magical artifacts. Somewhat amused to see Nicol Williamson as Merlin (thought I’d know he was in this), as I was just watching him as Sherlock Holmes last night in The Seven-Per-Cent Solution (a movie in which three things are key: Samantha Eggar is beautiful; Williamson, Robert Duvall, and Alan Arkin have a good rapport as Holmes, Watson, and Freud, respectively; and Robert Duvall can’t do an English accent).
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Post by Nalkarj on Feb 5, 2019 2:38:21 GMT
Somehow, the absurdly hammy performances are working perfectly for this kind of story.
Love this score.
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Post by Nalkarj on Feb 5, 2019 2:40:53 GMT
Wait, he’s doing it in his armor?
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