How many people here openly admit to being a creationist?

For the record, I do believe in common descent.

If it did, would I have asked?


Do you have a biblical reference for that? Book, chapter, verse?

Well first thing is first, where does it say they are straw at all? Moreover, where does it say that any straw was available on the ark for them to eat? There is no indication that Noah brought any plants or grass on the ark with him, nor was he ever commanded to.

Genesis 7:2-3 Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, and also seven pairs of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth.

Genesis 7:11,8:13 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month —on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. By the first day of the first month of Noah’s six hundred and first year, the water had dried up from the earth. Noah then removed the covering from the ark and saw that the surface of the ground was dry.

It says he took male and female animals into the ark, and waited there for a year for the floodwaters to recede. No mention of him bringing grain or straw on the ark, no mention of the carnivores being able to survive on it, in fact there is no mention of food at all! Hence the question. How can anyone believe this really happened?

Well, firstly I would say that it’s incumbent on the people who teach this to explain the logic of it to those they are trying to indoctrinate. It would also be the responsibility of those evangelizing to explain the logic of this story to a skeptic. It shouldn’t be required for you or myself to investigate possible ways that the story could work.

Secondly, there are verses in the bible that refute your hypothesis. Noah and family were sealed in the Ark. They never left during the flood to collect food, and the first time they exit the ark is when it runs aground on Mt. Ararat.

Genesis 7:16,8:3-4,6-9 The animals going in were male and female of every living thing, as God had commanded Noah. Then the Lord shut him in. The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty days the water had gone down, and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat. After forty days Noah opened a window he had made in the ark and sent out a raven, and it kept flying back and forth until the water had dried up from the earth. Then he sent out a dove to see if the water had receded from the surface of the ground. But the dove could find nowhere to perch because there was water over all the surface of the earth; so it returned to Noah in the ark. He reached out his hand and took the dove and brought it back to himself in the ark.

I’m not asking because I’m curious about what Noah did, or how his lions are food. There was no Noah and there was no Noah’s Ark. The entire story is fictional, so my curiosity on these points is settled. What I’m curious about is how YOU as a believer rationalize this nonsense to yourself logically, and whether or not you can produce a compelling argument to make this belief conform to what is logical. And as I predicted, you seem incapable of doing that.

Well you don’t even have that to work with. There is no “clear instruction” for him to have food on the Ark. But that aside, I am not demanding any answer from you at all. This is a purely voluntary opportunity for believers. I’m not expecting you to be able to answer because there is no answer.

Well you don’t get to decide what’s enough for me. You can choose to participate, or you can withdraw yourself from the tread after your mental gymnastics and evasions are exposed. But before you go, I recommend you spend some more time reading the Bible you so cherish because clearly you don’t realize that your duty as a Christian is to evangelize. From a scriptural standpoint, IT IS your responsibility to explain things to non-believers!

1 Peter 3:15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect

READ THE BIBLE!