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Post by Skaathar on Aug 24, 2018 21:42:23 GMT
MCU is quantity not quality. And high bo numbers and critics aren't equal to quality. If the MCU is only quantity then they wouldn't get such high BO returns combined with such high praise from both critics and audiences.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Aug 24, 2018 23:21:28 GMT
Popularity doesn’t necessarily mean successful other than a financial standpoint. No one will remember this franchise down the road. That is a pretty silly thing to say. Yeah thinking the MCU is garbage is fine, but to say it will be forgotten is absolutely ridiculous. It’s like these guys’ logic is “if I don’t like something, then it will be forgotten”.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Aug 24, 2018 23:22:33 GMT
The Toy Story trilogy is one. Yes. Every movie is a 10.
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Post by tavaresmd on Aug 25, 2018 0:23:18 GMT
For me, the classic Universal Monsters films and universe is somewhat comprable (and personally superior). It established the first cinematic universe with character crossovers, created or adapted previously created characters into their most iconic forms, and had about 20 years in the spotlight. With films like The Invisible Man they pioneered special effects, and had an undenkable effect on fantasy and scifi filmmaking. They where the equivalent to the superhero movies of their day (not to be taken literally, we've seen what that can do).
As an individual film, Bride Of Frankenstein is a towering achievement within the franchise, again pioneering special effects and storytelling in a horror movie.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2018 3:04:18 GMT
That is a pretty silly thing to say. Yeah thinking the MCU is garbage is fine, but to say it will be forgotten is absolutely ridiculous. It’s like these guys’ logic is “if I don’t like something, then it will be forgotten”. hahaha plot twist, I like the MCU overall, think it’s far from garbage but I do think it’ll be forgetten.
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Post by Lee on Aug 25, 2018 7:37:50 GMT
MCU is quantity not quality. And high bo numbers and critics aren't equal to quality. If the MCU is only quantity then they wouldn't get such high BO returns combined with such high praise from both critics and audiences. Like i said. Has nothing to do with quality. But fake movie fans like you, could this never understand.
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Post by DSDSquared on Aug 25, 2018 11:57:50 GMT
If the MCU is only quantity then they wouldn't get such high BO returns combined with such high praise from both critics and audiences. Like i said. Has nothing to do with quality. But fake movie fans like you, could this never understand. Fake movie fans? Ha ha. Teach us. Please. Show us how movies work and tell us what we should like. We want to be cool like you. Please help us Neo. You are our only hope......................douchebag. The MCU is the undisputed king of comic book films. No other comic book movie franchise has had the success or consistent quality of the MCU. Make no mistake, I love good films. Winter Soldier is my favorite comic book film of all time, but it will never be compared with The Godfather. Still, to act like these movies that make billions every year and are critically acclaimed will somehow be forgotten is ridiculous and ignorant. You sound like a complete moron. Quit while you are behind.
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Post by damngumby on Aug 25, 2018 12:11:45 GMT
MCU is quantity not quality. And high bo numbers and critics aren't equal to quality. MCU is quantity & quality. Praise by the critics is probably the best measure of quality we’ve got. Another measure of quality would be something like a Best Picture nomination. Since there is a direct correlation between high critical praise and getting an award nomination, I think we can conclude that the critics know what they are talking about most of the time. Certainly more so than the opinion of a butt-hurt fan of one of those movie franchises that could not sustain quality beyond one or two films. Star Wars, The Matrix, DCEU are a few examples that come to mind. Fans of those failed franchises repeatedly embarrass themselves when they come to the MCU board and try to drag the MCU down to their level.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 25, 2018 12:25:50 GMT
Like i said. Has nothing to do with quality. But fake movie fans like you, could this never understand. Fake movie fans? Ha ha. Teach us. Please. Show us how movies work and tell us what we should like. We want to be cool like you. Please help us Neo. You are our only hope...................... douchebag. The MCU is the undisputed king of comic book films. No other comic book movie franchise has had the success or consistent quality of the MCU. Make no mistake, I love good films. Winter Soldier is my favorite comic book film of all time, but it will never be compared with The Godfather. Still, to act like these movies that make billions every year and are critically acclaimed will somehow be forgotten is ridiculous and ignorant. You sound like a complete moron. Quit while you are behind. you know I like you DS, but your unmanly squealing and name calling does not help your case. The MCU is consistent in being mediocre, with 20 movie having not produced one bona fide classic, like say Superman, Batman 89, TDK trilogy or even WW as curse breaking milestone, or Logan, X2 or even Deadpool…"undisputed king" lol, also looks at the top 250 popular charts. Let's not even compare it with the big non-CBM franchises. The best MCU film you name, TWS, is fine. But narratively it's a rip off of Star Wars, down to Order 66 and the redemption of mask wearing Anakin-Bucky from the dark side. It also lacks iconic music or scenes. That is all fine, but in the end mediocre. Hell after 20 movies these films need to a mouse-move by Disney to get Oscar awards. You will see that after the hype bubble bursts, you will agree with us.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 25, 2018 12:47:53 GMT
Yeah thinking the MCU is garbage is fine, but to say it will be forgotten is absolutely ridiculous. It’s like these guys’ logic is “if I don’t like something, then it will be forgotten”. hahaha plot twist, I like the MCU overall, think it’s far from garbage but I do think it’ll be forgetten. Agreed completely. Quick: without googling, name me the ten biggest westerns from their heyday. I rest my case.
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Post by Lee on Aug 25, 2018 13:24:06 GMT
MCU is quantity not quality. And high bo numbers and critics aren't equal to quality. MCU is quantity & quality. Praise by the critics is probably the best measure of quality we’ve got. Another measure of quality would be something like a Best Picture nomination. Since there is a direct correlation between high critical praise and getting an award nomination, I think we can conclude that the critics know what they are talking about most of the time. Certainly more so than the opinion of a butt-hurt fan of one of those movie franchises that could not sustain quality beyond one or two films. Star Wars, The Matrix, DCEU are a few examples that come to mind. Fans of those failed franchises repeatedly embarrass themselves when they come to the MCU board and try to drag the MCU down to their level. You are just another fake movie fan, who thinks MCU is the non plus ultra. But it's not. I guess that low brows like you needs this bang boom bang, style over substance movies.
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Post by DSDSquared on Aug 25, 2018 13:24:27 GMT
Fake movie fans? Ha ha. Teach us. Please. Show us how movies work and tell us what we should like. We want to be cool like you. Please help us Neo. You are our only hope...................... douchebag. The MCU is the undisputed king of comic book films. No other comic book movie franchise has had the success or consistent quality of the MCU. Make no mistake, I love good films. Winter Soldier is my favorite comic book film of all time, but it will never be compared with The Godfather. Still, to act like these movies that make billions every year and are critically acclaimed will somehow be forgotten is ridiculous and ignorant. You sound like a complete moron. Quit while you are behind. you know I like you DS, but your unmanly squealing and name calling does not help your case. The MCU is consistent in being mediocre, with 20 movie having not produced one bona fide classic, like say Superman, Batman 89, TDK trilogy or even WW as curse breaking milestone, or Logan, X2 or even Deadpool…"undisputed king" lol, also looks at the top 250 popular charts. Let's not even compare it with the big non-CBM franchises. The best MCU film you name, TWS, is fine. But narratively it's a rip off of Star Wars, down to Order 66 and the redemption of mask wearing Anakin-Bucky from the dark side. It also lacks iconic music or scenes. That is all fine, but in the end mediocre. Hell after 20 movies these films need to a mouse-move by Disney to get Oscar awards. You will see that after the hype bubble bursts, you will agree with us. Most of those franchises cannot put out more than two movies in a row that are quality. The DCEU has Wonder Woman and...............................................I love the X-Men franchise. X-Men, X-2, and Days of Future Past are all great movies. However, Apocalypse sucks. X3 sucks. X-Men Origins sucks. Batman and Batman Returns are classics, but Batman and Robin and Batman Forever suck. You see where I am going. The worst of the worst MCU film is still average at worst. That is the difference. 20 straight movies that are average at absolute worst and a large majority of them are great. There is no comparison. There is no argument. The MCU is the king of comic book franchises. I love both Deadpool movies, but once again there are only two movies so far. Two. Not 20.
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Post by DSDSquared on Aug 25, 2018 13:25:20 GMT
MCU is quantity & quality. Praise by the critics is probably the best measure of quality we’ve got. Another measure of quality would be something like a Best Picture nomination. Since there is a direct correlation between high critical praise and getting an award nomination, I think we can conclude that the critics know what they are talking about most of the time. Certainly more so than the opinion of a butt-hurt fan of one of those movie franchises that could not sustain quality beyond one or two films. Star Wars, The Matrix, DCEU are a few examples that come to mind. Fans of those failed franchises repeatedly embarrass themselves when they come to the MCU board and try to drag the MCU down to their level. You are just another fake movie fan, who thinks MCU is the non plus ultra. But it's not. I guess that low brows like you needs this bang boom bang, style over substance movies. We are talking about comic book movies. What other CBM franchise has the same consistency and quality of the MCU? I will wait.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 25, 2018 13:53:57 GMT
hahaha plot twist, I like the MCU overall, think it’s far from garbage but I do think it’ll be forgetten. Agreed completely. Quick: without googling, name me the ten biggest westerns from their heyday. I rest my case. Very good comparison. That is also what Spielberg alluded too when stating that CMB will go the way of the Western. Also: We should not forget the law of diminishing returns and inflation effect in entertainment: True classics are hardly created anymore because the quantity of output (TV, movies, games etc) has increased so much while the artistic novelty decreases: eg Star Wars was something never seen or experienced like this before and thus became a standard candle; the countless sci-fi rehashes since then not so much. There are just too many regurgitated and formulaic movies doing the same thing. They are popular but in the end cinematic junk food. This is the bane and blessing of MCU or other CBMs too: it exploded in the CBM bubble when people got tired of the classic oft-regurgitated heroes like Bat, Superman, X-Men etc. But what is new or revolutionary about the MCU movies? It's more zeitgeist than cinematic quality. Until the bubble burst one day and Zombie, alien invasion, thrillers, sci fi, war films, new western or whatever become the new big thing.
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Post by damngumby on Aug 25, 2018 14:03:01 GMT
MCU is quantity & quality. Praise by the critics is probably the best measure of quality we’ve got. Another measure of quality would be something like a Best Picture nomination. Since there is a direct correlation between high critical praise and getting an award nomination, I think we can conclude that the critics know what they are talking about most of the time. Certainly more so than the opinion of a butt-hurt fan of one of those movie franchises that could not sustain quality beyond one or two films. Star Wars, The Matrix, DCEU are a few examples that come to mind. Fans of those failed franchises repeatedly embarrass themselves when they come to the MCU board and try to drag the MCU down to their level. You are just another fake movie fan, who thinks MCU is the non plus ultra. But it's not. I guess that low brows like you needs this bang boom bang, style over substance movies. Actually, my two top superhero movies aren’t MCU movies ... so ... try again, Ace.
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Post by damngumby on Aug 25, 2018 14:26:04 GMT
hahaha plot twist, I like the MCU overall, think it’s far from garbage but I do think it’ll be forgetten. Agreed completely. Quick: without googling, name me the ten biggest westerns from their heyday. I rest my case. Are you freakin’ kidding? The Good, the Bad and the Ugly Outlaw Jose Wales Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid The Wild Bunch The Magnificent Seven True Grit Little Big Man High Noon The Man who shot Liberty Valance These are the Westerns I have on DVD. Classics all. Iconic. I could name a half dozen more without breaking a sweat. None have been forgotten, unless you’ve had a severe head injury lately. Superhero movies will probably peak at some point. The market is saturated. But the best of the bunch will certainly be remembered. And most of those will be MCU movies. I believe your case just went down in flames, sport.
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 25, 2018 14:45:20 GMT
If the MCU is only quantity then they wouldn't get such high BO returns combined with such high praise from both critics and audiences. Like i said. Has nothing to do with quality. But fake movie fans like you, could this never understand. So I guess critics and majority of audiences must be fake movie fans then huh?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 25, 2018 16:46:09 GMT
Agreed completely. Quick: without googling, name me the ten biggest westerns from their heyday. I rest my case. Are you freakin’ kidding? The Good, the Bad and the Ugly Outlaw Jose Wales Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid The Wild Bunch The Magnificent Seven True Grit Little Big Man High Noon The Man who shot Liberty Valance These are the Westerns I have on DVD. Classics all. Iconic. I could name a half dozen more without breaking a sweat. None have been forgotten, unless you’ve had a severe head injury lately. Superhero movies will probably peak at some point. The market is saturated. But the best of the bunch will certainly be remembered. And most of those will be MCU movies. I believe your case just went down in flames, sport. Just because you happen to be familiar with those films doesn't disprove anything, bud. In fact, it kinda proves the opposite. And my point stands: if you ask a hundred people under forty, how many can name three of these movies? Things change. Things age.
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Post by damngumby on Aug 25, 2018 20:42:15 GMT
Are you freakin’ kidding? The Good, the Bad and the Ugly Outlaw Jose Wales Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid The Wild Bunch The Magnificent Seven True Grit Little Big Man High Noon The Man who shot Liberty Valance These are the Westerns I have on DVD. Classics all. Iconic. I could name a half dozen more without breaking a sweat. None have been forgotten, unless you’ve had a severe head injury lately. Superhero movies will probably peak at some point. The market is saturated. But the best of the bunch will certainly be remembered. And most of those will be MCU movies. I believe your case just went down in flames, sport. Just because you happen to be familiar with those films doesn't disprove anything, bud. In fact, it kinda proves the opposite. And my point stands: if you ask a hundred people under forty, how many can name three of these movies? Things change. Things age. The more ignorant the demographic, the better your argument looks. Are you sure that is the direction you want to go with this, chum? If a great old movie has been “forgotten” by the younger generations, does that make it any less great? What was your point again?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 25, 2018 21:02:15 GMT
Just because you happen to be familiar with those films doesn't disprove anything, bud. In fact, it kinda proves the opposite. And my point stands: if you ask a hundred people under forty, how many can name three of these movies? Things change. Things age. The more ignorant the demographic, the better your argument looks. Are you sure that is the direction you want to go with this, chum? If a great old movie has been “forgotten” by the younger generations, does that make it any less great? What was your point again? I don't know. Fuck it.
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