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Post by taylorfirst1 on Aug 29, 2018 22:14:50 GMT
2012 because "The Avengers"
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Aug 29, 2018 22:42:22 GMT
On one hand, 2008 was the year that the MCU first began, in addition to being the year that TDK was released. On the other hand, 2012 was the year where the MCU officially became the influential franchise juggernaut that spawned the shared universe craze, in addition to being the year that Nolan’s Batman series came to an end. By all accounts, these were both pretty significant years for comic book movies as a whole, but which one would you say was a bigger deal? 2008 - I'd give it to The Dark Knight. It definitely changed comic books films and how they're made, for better and worse. It also has a unfortunate legacy in terms or artistic merit and grounding the heroes to the real world that DC tried to replicate but didn't work. Marvel, both MCU and the non-MCU Marvel films were good both using it and avoiding it and had better luck with it. 2011: Between The Dark Knight and Iron Man, till 2011, there hasn't been any significant for comic book films. Iron Man 2, Thor, The First Avengers were fine but nothing huge. X-Men: First Class is the most significant because it helped bring back the X-Men series after Last Stand and Origins: Wolverine. 2012: You got Rises, ASM2 and The Avengers, but the Avengers definitely had the biggest impact on superhero films much like The Dark Knight did. Rises was fine with good performances but coming off from Ledger's death, it fell short while ASM2 was a joke of a film. The expectations for The Avengers were huge, and the excitement to see an ensemble superhero film, played by extremely popular actors, was through the roof and it exceeded every expectation.
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Post by damngumby on Aug 29, 2018 22:49:55 GMT
2008 because of Iron Man. It launched a superhero movie Renaissance that is still going strong today.
TDK was good too, but it didn’t have anywhere near the impact of Iron Man. Nolan wrapped up his trilogy and that was the end of that. The DCEU decided to ditch Nolan’s lead and instead bet the house on Zack Snyder’s vision. Oops!
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Post by dazz on Aug 30, 2018 6:19:12 GMT
2012 every studio is still desperate to make their Avengers movie. I don't thihk there'd be anywhere near as many cbm's today if it wasn't for the Avengers. There were more CBMs before The Avengers than there are today. This is an impossibility, any film made prior to 2012 exist still today inm 2018, and has had any film made after 2012 added to the collection, meaning more CBM's have been made today than were made in 2012, just like there are more CBM's today than there were in 2017.
There were about 40 CBMs before The Avengers and have been about 30 CBMs after The Avengers. So The Avengers really didn't do anything special for CBMs. Pretty sure the average number of CBM's increasing from just above 1 per year for the prior 34 years since Superman to the 5 per year average since 2012 is something special, also where do you pull these numbers from, according to BOM there have been a total of 163 cbm's since 1978, 60 since 2012, 59 specifically since/including The Avengers, 56 in the decade leading up to The Avengers, which seems close but when you think we are talking about 10 years from 2002-2012 and only 6 years from 2012-2018 which if the pacing keeps up we could get another 25-30 cbm's in the next 4 years, putting it at mid 8-'s to low 90's, or an increase of over 50% since The Avengers.
Now TDK saw the same increase on average for it's 4 year period till Avengers but whilst TDK saw only 9 of the 22 films since it's release which includes TDK itself hit over $100m domestic, since The Avengers 33 of the 59 cbm's released have passed $125m domestically, so even with a 25% hike in the bar post Avengers the number of movies to hit a high number increased from 40% ish to 55% ish...but where the big change occurred is on TV since The Avengers superhero TV shows have been popping up everywhere.
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 30, 2018 6:33:04 GMT
There were more CBMs before The Avengers than there are today. where the big change occurred is on TV since The Avengers superhero TV shows have been popping up everywhere.
That isn't a big change. There were plenty of superhero TV shows before The Avengers. For example: The Adventures of Superman Batman Birds of Prey Black Scorpion Blade: The Series The Flash The Greatest American Hero The Green Hornet The Incredible Hulk Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman No Ordinary Family The Secrets of Isis Shazam! Smallville Superboy Ultraman Wonder Woman
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Aug 30, 2018 7:11:48 GMT
where the big change occurred is on TV since The Avengers superhero TV shows have been popping up everywhere.
That isn't a big change. There were plenty of superhero TV shows before The Avengers. For example: The Adventures of Superman Batman Birds of Prey Black Scorpion Blade: The Series The Flash The Greatest American Hero The Green Hornet The Incredible Hulk Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman No Ordinary Family The Secrets of Isis Shazam! Smallville Superboy Ultraman Wonder Woman Wow. Black Scorpion. I forgot about that show.
Also: The Amazing Spider-Man
Mutant X Night Man
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Aug 30, 2018 7:18:37 GMT
I'd say 2008. It had the release of The Dark Knight, considered by most to be the best comic book film ever made, and Iron Man, which was the start of the unparalleled Marvel Cinematic Universe which has lead us to Avengers, Winter Soldier, Black Panther, and a comic fan's dream come true, Infinity War.
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Post by kevin on Aug 30, 2018 7:35:07 GMT
Easily 2008. It was the year The Dark Knight was released, the most important and acclaimed cbm to date. And it was the year Iron Man came out and the MCU began, one of the biggest franchises of all-time.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Aug 30, 2018 7:37:58 GMT
I voted for both!
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Post by dazz on Aug 30, 2018 7:49:23 GMT
where the big change occurred is on TV since The Avengers superhero TV shows have been popping up everywhere.
That isn't a big change. There were plenty of superhero TV shows before The Avengers. For example: The Adventures of Superman Batman Birds of Prey Black Scorpion Blade: The Series The Flash The Greatest American Hero The Green Hornet The Incredible Hulk Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman No Ordinary Family The Secrets of Isis Shazam! Smallville Superboy Ultraman Wonder Woman Yeah DC pre 2012 had a total of 12 live action TV shows over the span of 70 years, since 2012 they have also had 12, with 8 additional shows already ordered to come out in the next year or 2, Marvel 7 over the span of 38 years, and 13 shows since with an additional show ordered.
2012 didn't create the existence of comic book TV shows but it created the cbtv boom we are in now 25 shows since and 9 additional shows ordered to air in the coming year or so compared to the 19 in the 70 years that came before it, you muppet.
Now 2008 you can argue maybe the most important year for one thing, it is what led to Disney buying Marvel which is what has shaped the landscape so much, but the big changes came about after The Avengers in 2012 because that's when the perspective changed, it wasn't about just individual franchises but super franchises that could support dozens of stand alone ones all able to be box office smash hits and then coming together to create all time box office record breakers, it's the rabbit every other studio has been chasing since The Avengers and no one is able to come close to, the success of that also opened the doors to the likes of the Marvel Netfix shows which has helped spawn the creation of things like the DCU, and other platforms acquiring smaller comic brands to turn into their own series.
2012 also established the size of the cbm fandom, 2008 did great with Iron Man & TDK but you could argue eh it's a fluke, but then when 2 films each eclipsing $1B+ come out in the same summer close to or maybe even surpassing the 2008 combined amount with just one film it made people take notice, especially with the more comic book movie being the higher grosser by a large margin it showed it wasn't just because of Nolan, comic book movie fans are a vast and ravenous tribe hungry for content, and the worlds been very aware of this since.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 30, 2018 7:59:42 GMT
I'm DC Fan.
As many others.
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Post by James on Aug 30, 2018 16:37:35 GMT
'08. As groundbreaking as The Avengers was, if it weren't for Iron Man, we wouldn't have that movie to begin with. Or the other films leading up to it and those that came after.
Not only that, but TDK was another film that became a HUGE staple in the genre, and is considered to be one of the greatest movies OAT.
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 30, 2018 18:53:31 GMT
'08. As groundbreaking as The Avengers was, if it weren't for Iron Man, we wouldn't have that movie to begin with. Or the other films leading up to it and those that came after. Not only that, but TDK was another film that became a HUGE staple in the genre, and is considered to be one of the greatest movies OAT. Thing is, yes the Avengers would not have been made if it wasn't for IM, but IM and even TDK were just another 2 superhero movies. Don't get me wrong, they were great movies, but they weren't groundbreakingly new. The Avengers changed the way superhero movies (and franchises) worked. The DCEU was pretty much created as a reaction to The Avengers. Fox used to come up with an X-men movie once every 3 years. After the Avengers, they started chucking out X-men movies every 2 years then eventually every year. The Avengers was really the starting point of the current superhero dominance in hollywood.
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Post by James on Aug 31, 2018 0:24:36 GMT
'08. As groundbreaking as The Avengers was, if it weren't for Iron Man, we wouldn't have that movie to begin with. Or the other films leading up to it and those that came after. Not only that, but TDK was another film that became a HUGE staple in the genre, and is considered to be one of the greatest movies OAT. Thing is, yes the Avengers would not have been made if it wasn't for IM, but IM and even TDK were just another 2 superhero movies. Don't get me wrong, they were great movies, but they weren't groundbreakingly new. The Avengers changed the way superhero movies (and franchises) worked. The DCEU was pretty much created as a reaction to The Avengers. Fox used to come up with an X-men movie once every 3 years. After the Avengers, they started chucking out X-men movies every 2 years then eventually every year. The Avengers was really the starting point of the current superhero dominance in hollywood. Good point. But I find it to be crucial that it all started back in '08. It's kinda like without anything from 2008, 2012 wouldn't be the way it was.
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Post by dazz on Aug 31, 2018 1:02:59 GMT
Thing is, yes the Avengers would not have been made if it wasn't for IM, but IM and even TDK were just another 2 superhero movies. Don't get me wrong, they were great movies, but they weren't groundbreakingly new. The Avengers changed the way superhero movies (and franchises) worked. The DCEU was pretty much created as a reaction to The Avengers. Fox used to come up with an X-men movie once every 3 years. After the Avengers, they started chucking out X-men movies every 2 years then eventually every year. The Avengers was really the starting point of the current superhero dominance in hollywood. Good point. But I find it to be crucial that it all started back in '08. It's kinda like without anything from 2008, 2012 wouldn't be the way it was. Thats very true, without 2008 Disney wouldn't have brought Marvel which would have obviously impacted the MCU and likely The Avengers itself in how Disney marketed the film compared ot how Paramount would have had Disney not brought back the distribution rights.
At the same point you can kind of argue this for almost any year, if in 1998 we didn't get Blade saving the sinking ship of CBM's after Steel & Batman and Robin maybe we wouldn't get X-Men which maybe then we don't get Spidey, which means we don't get all these other films.
In some way 2008 is less crucial because Marvel were set on doing phase one regardless, they had bet the company on doing these films, so even if Iron Man flopped they were still going to have to do Cap, Thor & Avengers just because they had bet the farm already, and much of the other films for the other studios were already lined up to come out, Fox & Sony had to keep making X-Men & Spidey films to keep their rights, but after 2012 is when you saw the shift in the mentality because of Avengers, and world building became a much more important part of studio franchises in general, which is kind of the thing, 2012 impacted the industry as a whole, 2008 at best impacted the genre imo atleast.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Aug 31, 2018 3:04:16 GMT
2008 might be more significant, yet 2012 was an apex. I remember the giddy opening night The Avengers crowd, sitting up straight absolutely glued to the TDKR trailer.
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 31, 2018 4:49:55 GMT
That isn't a big change. There were plenty of superhero TV shows before The Avengers. For example: The Adventures of Superman Batman Birds of Prey Black Scorpion Blade: The Series The Flash The Greatest American Hero The Green Hornet The Incredible Hulk Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman No Ordinary Family The Secrets of Isis Shazam! Smallville Superboy Ultraman Wonder Woman Wow. Black Scorpion. I forgot about that show.
Michelle Lintel was smoking hot as Black Scorpion.
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Post by summers8 on Sept 1, 2018 9:10:55 GMT
In the long run it is 2008. the movies of 2008 have stood the test of time. after how many years ....6 years or so.
TDK is still seen as the best of the best challenged only by Logan
Iron man 2008 is still the best of the iron man movies and the better of the mcu movies because by then mcu has not become a disneyfied comedy universe.
The dark knight rises while a solid good movie is the weakest of the trilogy.
avengers 2012 is just a joke. reason mcu fans can only argue with winter solider after these years.
so 2008 was the better year.
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Post by dazz on Sept 1, 2018 12:09:53 GMT
In the long run it is 2008. the movies of 2008 have stood the test of time. after how many years ....6 years or so. TDK is still seen as the best of the best challenged only by Logan Iron man 2008 is still the best of the iron man movies and the better of the mcu movies because by then mcu has not become a disneyfied comedy universe. The dark knight rises while a solid good movie is the weakest of the trilogy. avengers 2012 is just a joke. reason mcu fans can only argue with winter solider after these years. so 2008 was the better year. Except the question wasn't which had the better movies but what was the most significant to the genre, also better films is subjective, if we are talking quality wise 2017 beats the pants off of 2008 imo, Logan is far better than TDK, Wonder Woman is better than TIH and though non of the MCU films in 2008 exceed IM1 in quality the vast quantity of still real good fun cbm's more than offsets it, for me atleast, plus Hellboy 2, but that's quality not significance to the genre.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 1, 2018 17:45:31 GMT
On one hand, 2008 was the year that the MCU first began, in addition to being the year that TDK was released. On the other hand, 2012 was the year where the MCU officially became the influential franchise juggernaut that spawned the shared universe craze, in addition to being the year that Nolan’s Batman series came to an end. By all accounts, these were both pretty significant years for comic book movies as a whole, but which one would you say was a bigger deal? 2008 by far. I've said it before, several times, and I'm sticking to it. Both Iron Man and the Dark Knight are the milestones by which all CBMS can be judged.
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