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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 1, 2018 17:56:04 GMT
Agreed. 2008 was the peak for CBMs, before The Avengers made audiences tolerate crappy, cookie-cutter, formulaic CBMs. I'm all DC Fan, brah.
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Post by Skaathar on Sept 2, 2018 3:13:06 GMT
One day a few decades from now, people will look back and ask, "I wonder what movie it was that changed the landscape for superhero movies in the new millennium?"
The answer to that question won't be IM or TDK. It will be Avengers.
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Post by summers8 on Sept 2, 2018 6:30:55 GMT
On one hand, 2008 was the year that the MCU first began, in addition to being the year that TDK was released. On the other hand, 2012 was the year where the MCU officially became the influential franchise juggernaut that spawned the shared universe craze, in addition to being the year that Nolan’s Batman series came to an end. By all accounts, these were both pretty significant years for comic book movies as a whole, but which one would you say was a bigger deal? 2008 by far. I've said it before, several times, and I'm sticking to it. Both Iron Man and the Dark Knight are the milestones by which all CBMS can be judged. Iron Man is a no. still cant believe how basic the plot of the movie was. X2 and Spiderman 2, were better mile stones. X2 was the go to film before TDK. this was the first movie that showed comic movies can be compelling drama with sad ending. X1 was already a drama.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 3, 2018 22:54:16 GMT
2008 by far. I've said it before, several times, and I'm sticking to it. Both Iron Man and the Dark Knight are the milestones by which all CBMS can be judged. Iron Man is a no. still cant believe how basic the plot of the movie was. X2 and Spiderman 2, were better mile stones. X2 was the go to film before TDK. this was the first movie that showed comic movies can be compelling drama with sad ending. X1 was already a drama. Oh, I agree, but Iron Man has a few elements that lift it above the others. First of all the year of 2008 which is what the question calls for.
But also not only is it the first MCU movie, its also the first of the shared universe movies. To be totally technically accurate it is NOT the very first movie to toy with the shared universe. Supergirl did it, and even in Batman Forever there is mention of "That guy that flies in metropolis"(?). But Iron Man is the first to really take it all the way. The greatness that is the MCU begins there. The plot is fairly basic, but its also quite perfected.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 3, 2018 22:56:55 GMT
One day a few decades from now, people will look back and ask, "I wonder what movie it was that changed the landscape for superhero movies in the new millennium?" The answer to that question won't be IM or TDK. It will be Avengers. I do not disagree with you that Avengers is a high milestone in the genre. Definitely top three, top five. BUT the greatness that leads to Avengers starts with Iron Man. And the greatness that leads to all CBM's being taken truly seriously, as hard drama, starts with Dark Knight. 2008 is just a banner year.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Sept 3, 2018 23:52:43 GMT
2008. It was the year that rescued the genre from its lowest point since Batman&Robin. Just a year prior, they had Ghost Rider, Spider Man 3, Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer. The general audience doesn’t exactly hold a negative opinion of Spider-Man 3.
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Post by politicidal on Sept 4, 2018 0:06:24 GMT
2008. It was the year that rescued the genre from its lowest point since Batman&Robin. Just a year prior, they had Ghost Rider, Spider Man 3, Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer. The general audience doesn’t exactly hold a negative opinion of Spider-Man 3. It was enough for them to reboot.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Sept 4, 2018 1:03:25 GMT
The general audience doesn’t exactly hold a negative opinion of Spider-Man 3. It was enough for them to reboot. That wasn’t the reason for the reboot. It was because Raimi and Tobey walked away from the franchise over disagreements with the studio over the direction of Spider-Man 4.
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Post by Skaathar on Sept 4, 2018 5:23:56 GMT
One day a few decades from now, people will look back and ask, "I wonder what movie it was that changed the landscape for superhero movies in the new millennium?" The answer to that question won't be IM or TDK. It will be Avengers. I do not disagree with you that Avengers is a high milestone in the genre. Definitely top three, top five. BUT the greatness that leads to Avengers starts with Iron Man. And the greatness that leads to all CBM's being taken truly seriously, as hard drama, starts with Dark Knight. 2008 is just a banner year. If we go with the idea that "Avengers won't exist without IM" then we can easily go with "IM won't exist without Superman, or even without Spiderman". TDK won't exist without Blade which wouldn't have existed without Batman '89, etc. What I'm trying to say is, IM didn't start the superhero trend, Superman did that. And TDK didn't start the serious superhero trend, Batman '89 did that. On the other hand, Avengers WAS the movie that started the whole interconnected multiverse platform that most superhero movie franchises are adapting today. So while IM and TDK were indeed milestones, they weren't trendsetters the way Superman, Batman '89 and Avengers were.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 4, 2018 18:21:14 GMT
I do not disagree with you that Avengers is a high milestone in the genre. Definitely top three, top five. BUT the greatness that leads to Avengers starts with Iron Man. And the greatness that leads to all CBM's being taken truly seriously, as hard drama, starts with Dark Knight. 2008 is just a banner year. If we go with the idea that "Avengers won't exist without IM" then we can easily go with "IM won't exist without Superman, or even without Spiderman". TDK won't exist without Blade which wouldn't have existed without Batman '89, etc. What I'm trying to say is, IM didn't start the superhero trend, Superman did that. And TDK didn't start the serious superhero trend, Batman '89 did that. On the other hand, Avengers WAS the movie that started the whole interconnected multiverse platform that most superhero movie franchises are adapting today. So while IM and TDK were indeed milestones, they weren't trendsetters the way Superman, Batman '89 and Avengers were. The question "Between 2008 and 2012, which year was more significant for CBMs?" precludes movies that didn't come out those years.
And as for trends, the trend that you ascribe to Avengers did not start there. Rather, it started in Iron Man. Avengers is the culmination of that trend, the movie that the trend led up to. I'm not saying its not significant. I am saying that between 2008 and 2012 I vote 2008.
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