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Post by thorshairspray on Mar 25, 2017 3:45:27 GMT
See "dereliction of duty". Nobody's arguing that crimes shouldn't be thoroughly investigated or that criminals shouldn't bear the full weight of the law. Once somebody starts generalizing into "Asians" and "Muslims" it's a whole different matter. How I view dogsExcept nobody has said all Muslims do this have they? And why do you think local authorities and police ignored their responsibilities because they didn't want to appear racist, Mr everything is racist?
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Post by cupcakes on Mar 25, 2017 4:06:52 GMT
tpfkar Except the literal "all Muslims" beg is a joke, when the point is to treat people differently because they're Asian and Muslim.If they didn't follow up and police properly then it was because of some combination of incompetence and dereliction of duty, especially if reality came anywhere near to your "not wanting to appear racist" framing, Mr epithet-happy hyperbolic brain damage. everywhere
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 8:28:38 GMT
tpfkar And should also include those predisposed to condemnation of wide groups of "the other" based on the actions of some of them, or pretending that disagreeing with and analyzing what's presented is "shutting down the debate with cries of racist". HuddersfieldApparently that would now also include most left wing Brits. I was reading this article on the website of The Independent (a bastion of the British left wing) about the fact that Birmingham has become a hotbed for spawning terrorists. Skip the article itself and have a read through the comments (paying attention to the karma score given to each comment) and you would think that you were reading Stormfront. And these are the comments of middle class progressive liberals, mind. There was basically one guy defending Muslims against a chorus of anti-Muslim posters, and with that one guy getting down-voted to oblivion: www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-attacker-khalid-masood-birmingham-uk-terrorists-breeding-ground-a7646536.htmlYou may think that Islam brings nothing but warm and fuzzy rays of multicultural goodness to society; but you live in a country which as yet has only a very small and dispersed Islamic population. You're in no position to criticise Brits for their views; much less a Pakistani or Saudi Atheist who is threatened with real persecution if they were ever to go public with their beliefs.
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Post by thorshairspray on Mar 25, 2017 14:07:09 GMT
tpfkar Except the literal "all Muslims" beg is a joke, when the point is to treat people differently because they're Asian and Muslim.If they didn't follow up and police properly then it was because of some combination of incompetence and dereliction of duty, especially if reality came anywhere near to your "not wanting to appear racist" framing, Mr epithet-happy hyperbolic brain damage. everywhere
Pointless made up nonsense. The report to HM Government into the Rotherham child rape case begs to differ. IT specifically cites fear of upsetting the local Pakistani population as a key reason no action was taken.
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Post by cupcakes on Mar 25, 2017 14:30:06 GMT
tpfkar That's your shtick when you're not name calling. But in this case absolutely on point and conspicuously true. Pathetic untenable excuses fall squarely under dereliction of duty. And if true, it still doesn't cover your framings. everywhere
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Post by cupcakes on Mar 25, 2017 14:34:57 GMT
tpfkar Some comment section exchange does not constitute the makeup of "most left wing Brits'. This kind of thing is why you rarely merit being taken seriously. how I view dogs
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Post by thorshairspray on Mar 25, 2017 15:59:01 GMT
tpfkar That's your shtick when you're not name calling. But in this case absolutely on point and conspicuously true. Pathetic untenable excuses fall squarely under dereliction of duty. And if true, it still doesn't cover your framings. everywhere Of course it is. And I'm well known for name calling...... What framing is that?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 14:33:09 GMT
tpfkar That's your shtick when you're not name calling. But in this case absolutely on point and conspicuously true. Pathetic untenable excuses fall squarely under dereliction of duty. And if true, it still doesn't cover your framings. everywhere Of course it is. And I'm well known for name calling...... What framing is that? This thread has been most illuminating. Most of the usual suspects(especially the brits) have avoided it like the plague. I posted that survey showing the socially regressive attitude of a large proportion of British Muslims on the original RFS board it was met with a similar silence there as well. So I've produced facts and figures highlighting my concerns regarding British Muslims and their attitude towards gays and young girls in particular. What I've had is cupcake first telling me it's not all Muslims( something I've never said) after that Strawman failed he questioned the validity of the survey despite it being conducted by a reputable polling company and commissioned by a left wing and Pro-Muslim broadcaster Channel 4. What I've noticed on other threads is the ad hominem attacks launched on individuals and posters who raise some rather valid points regarding Islam. I'll give an example of the left wing independent newspaper doing just that in the following article: www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/child-sex-grooming-the-asian-question-7729068.htmlSo the first four paragraphs of that article are giving voice to the far right racist fringe groups the BNP and EDL,and their de facto leader Nick Griffin. Those groups have zero credability with most of the general public,the implication is clear, only swivelled eyed racist lunatics believe this nonsense. The fifth paragraph is blatant and deliberate dishonesty. Firstly the Asian pedophile rings have been caught in 18 different locations so the stats for Greater Manchester police in isolation don't tell the entire story. Not only that the vast majority of people on the sex offenders register are not on there for crimes against young girls,but sexual assaults/rapes of adult women,so using that figure is disingenuous to say the least. As the figures you and I have quoted show the per capita offence rate of British Asian men when it comes to sex crimes against young girls compared to other ethnic groupings is massively disproportional to their number. And then the article goes on to make some good points: So it seems that it's not just Nick Griffin or the BNP voicing concerns about the sexual grooming of children by Asian gangs but a former home secretary and the head of a child protection organisation. So I ask myself why that article led with rhetoric from the BNP's Nick Griffin and not comments from Jack Straw or Hilary Wilmer? It's because they view Nick Griffin,Tommy Robinson et al. as useful idiots,they deliberately carry quotes from those people despite the fact other far more credible individuals are making the same points. It is a way to invalidate something by attacking the individual for being a racist rather than addressing the point itself and the valid concerns. This dynamic is becoming most tiresome. I despise the far right knuckle dragging racists of the BNP with a passion,what's ironic is one of the main reasons for me doing so is because of their homophobia and anti-semitism, something that they share in common with large swathes of the British Muslim community. That some Muslims are now attempting to codify into law blasphemy against Islam which will be no doubt used to insulate them against criticism for these actions is an affront to all right thinking Britains.
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Post by cupcakes on Mar 26, 2017 16:09:18 GMT
tpfkar Of that I have not much doubt. Stuff like the actions of a certain group of criminals being indicative of Asians/Muslims as opposed to going on everywhere in the world, or just banal tripe in the form of "Mr everything is racist". everywhere
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Post by cupcakes on Mar 26, 2017 16:14:23 GMT
tpfkar Why don't you quote me? I mostly just question your posts, as typically the reams you include do not back up the statements you make that they're supposed to support. So yap at them in situ. The dynamic that's getting tiresome is the people who repeatedly howl foul about "notall", "racist", "islamophobia" and the like when they're the only ones using the terms, like it's some kind of kryptonite against disagreement with their positions. Reported, slug. Thanks for the Red Warning, . You boys depend on your one-way censorship, don't you?
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Post by thorshairspray on Mar 26, 2017 17:44:10 GMT
tpfkar Of that I have not much doubt. Stuff like the actions of a certain group of criminals being indicative of Asians/Muslims as opposed to going on everywhere in the world, or just banal tripe in the form of "Mr everything is racist". everywhereWe never said that. We never even implied that. Once again this is you seeing everything through racial lenses.
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Post by thorshairspray on Mar 26, 2017 18:00:41 GMT
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I posted as you did on the old board. I linked to the research done by Pew, by channel four and data from Canada. All showed Muslims have socially regressive attitudes to women, gay people and religious violence. Guess what? I'm a fascist.
It's the same old crap, people simply cannot accept a problem that isn't white. Cupcakes has no argument, so accuses me of name calling. Reasonably sure I don't resort to name calling very often. Certainly not enough for that label to mean anything.
At what point are people going to consider that there might be a problem?
Interestingly, I noticed in the thread about Islamophobia in Canada. If you assume that all racial hate crime against minorities is done by white people and that all hate crimes against white people are done by minorities, you find that minorities offend at about twice the rate of white people. Identity politics really needs to be consigned to the bin of history.
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Post by cupcakes on Mar 27, 2017 13:13:43 GMT
tpfkar Sure thing. There is a serious problem within the Muslim Asian community when it comes to the sexual abuse of young girls(mainly white).
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Post by cupcakes on Mar 27, 2017 13:19:11 GMT
tpfkar Complete disregard for accuracy is a bigger flaw. And "Mr everything is racist" pointed out the name calling. No other national news outlets are covering this story.
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Post by thorshairspray on Mar 27, 2017 13:39:49 GMT
tpfkar Sure thing. There is a serious problem within the Muslim Asian community when it comes to the sexual abuse of young girls(mainly white).Yes, because saying something that happens disproportionately in a specific community is almost exactly the same as saying all people in that community do it. Are all black Americans murderers? Obviously not, does murder occur amongst the black population of the US at a massively higher rate than any other? Yes. Does pointing this fact out mean you are saying all black Americans are killers, well in your head it appears to. Would it be fair to say that if a specific crime happens disproportionately within a specific demographic, then there is a problem with that crime in that demographic? For example, if the theft rate was say, 12 per 100,000, but in the Jewish community it was 50 per 100,000, would it not be fair to say theft was more of a problem in the Jewish community? Or would that simply be racist? What your mindset allows is the criminals to hide behind the law abiding.
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Post by thorshairspray on Mar 27, 2017 13:40:46 GMT
tpfkar Complete disregard for accuracy is a bigger flaw. And "Mr everything is racist" pointed out the name calling. No other national news outlets are covering this story.Except there has been no disregard of accuracy, but feel free to point it out. Feel free to show flaw in what Superdude said.
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Post by cupcakes on Mar 27, 2017 13:46:42 GMT
tpfkar There's disregard even in this post of yours as you pretend it's not been posted already. everywhere
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Post by cupcakes on Mar 27, 2017 13:48:27 GMT
tpfkar Irrelevant other than you guys are the only ones bringing up "all" being/doing anything. What your mindset allows is excusing police for not doing their job and tarring wide groups for the actions of criminals and hiding behind "I didn't say all!" everywhere
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Post by thorshairspray on Mar 27, 2017 15:44:20 GMT
tpfkar Irrelevant other than you guys are the only ones bringing up "all" being/doing anything. What your mindset allows is excusing police for not doing their job and tarring wide groups for the actions of criminals and hiding behind "I didn't say all!" everywhere Not once have any of us brought up "all" Not once have either me or Supes said or implied all Muslims. That is in your head because you cannot separate individual from group. And no, your mindset allows criminal minorities to hide behind their minority status because people like you will not tolerate an investigation into any community that isn't white. This is why you consistently to offer any explanation for why certain minority are massively over represented in certain crimes. Stretch yourself and answer the following question. Is homicide more of a problem in the Black American population than the white American population?
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Post by cupcakes on Mar 27, 2017 16:23:14 GMT
tpfkar '#notall" You guys are the only one bringing up "all", like it has any meaning whatsoever. You guys are the ones talking about "Muslim Asians". Nope, that's just what you guys honk continuously and preemptively to try to immunize your condemnation of wide groups over the actions of criminals. Once again, all criminal activity should be subject to policing, and police using that as an excuse should be at a minimum terminated. It doesn't say anything about anybody else. Stretch yourself and try to give up the gross oversimplifications. There are many reasons for those kinds of trends, with both deep historical basis and current-day treatment. But what explanation are you offering for why certain minorities are overrepresented in certain crimes? it's all good
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