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Post by Cody™ on Sept 1, 2018 16:07:21 GMT
I believe in Christianity and salvation though Jesus Christ. But I have no objective evidence that can prove what I believe is correct. It's called faith. Why would you believe something on faith? You pretty much believe the universe to be a product of a random accident which created itself. You believe something can come from nothing and create everything. Both of these positions you believe on faith. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 17:39:05 GMT
Why would you believe something on faith? You pretty much believe the universe to be a product of a random accident which created itself. You believe something can come from nothing and create everything. Both of these positions you believe on faith. No, Cody. I do not believe either of those things. Better luck next time. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 1, 2018 18:15:57 GMT
Why would you believe something on faith? You pretty much believe the universe to be a product of a random accident which created itself. You believe something can come from nothing and create everything. Both of these positions you believe on faith. My understanding of @graham is that he doesn't believe anything because he considers belief a disease he wants none at all. He only asks questions of believers in order to cure them. He never makes any statements since that would betray beliefs. At least that's his story lately. I asked him to repeat some of his prized questions and he found too many other things that needed doing. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 18:17:40 GMT
You pretty much believe the universe to be a product of a random accident which created itself. You believe something can come from nothing and create everything. Both of these positions you believe on faith. My understanding of @graham is that he doesn't believe anything because he considers belief a disease he wants none at all. He only asks questions of believers in order to cure them. He never makes any statements since that would betray beliefs. At least that's his story lately. I asked him to repeat some of his prized questions and he found too many other things that needed doing. Nothing that a liar like yourself has to say is of any real interest, Arlon. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 1, 2018 18:41:35 GMT
My understanding of @graham is that he doesn't believe anything because he considers belief a disease he wants none at all. He only asks questions of believers in order to cure them. He never makes any statements since that would betray beliefs. At least that's his story lately. I asked him to repeat some of his prized questions and he found too many other things that needed doing. Nothing that a liar like yourself has to say is of any real interest, Arlon. No lie. You don't answer charges. Even now. Or is it just my computer not registering? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 18:46:46 GMT
Nothing that a liar like yourself has to say is of any real interest, Arlon. No lie. You don't answer charges. Even now. Or is it just my computer not registering? Nothing that a liar like yourself has to say is of any real interest, Arlon. |
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Post by islandmur on Sept 2, 2018 0:13:01 GMT
To me there is only one force of creation, different cultures have crafted onto this force their own beliefs and way of life and created their own "gods" to which they ascribe their own convictions and morals.
That doesn't (to me) change the fact that black is black even if it's called Noir in french, the name does not change the thing.
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Post by gadreel on Sept 2, 2018 18:22:41 GMT
when it comes to spiritual accurate and inaccurate are not really applicable. For example is sitting meditation more accurate than a moving meditation like Tai Chi? But the point is not whether it IS accurate or not as it cannot be proven objectivley the point is does it sit right with me and allow me to live my best life, for me that is Christianity, for someone else that might be Islam, but none of that is objectively decided. Yes I agree but spirituality and religion isn't the same thing. When people are trying to claim their religion is better than another one it has nothing do with spirituality. It's more about specific teachings and beliefs taken as facts. If I were to say that I don't believe the virgin birth of Jesus actually happened historically and then certain Christians tell me I'm wrong, they would have no evidence to show why I would be wrong in my belief just like they would have no evidence for their belief that a virgin birth actually did happen. I dont seperate religion and spirituality, my religion is a spiritual system.
And this is why I do not claim my religion is better than anyone elses, which is back on the point that as none of it canbe proven objectively then none of it is better than any other instance in an obective fashion
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 2, 2018 19:46:49 GMT
No lie. You don't answer charges. Even now. Or is it just my computer not registering? Nothing that a liar like yourself has to say is of any real interest, Arlon. I answer charges against me. If you tell me what you think I said that you believe is a lie I will answer the charges. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 19:47:21 GMT
Nothing that a liar like yourself has to say is of any real interest, Arlon. I answer charges against me. If you tell me what you think I said that you believe is a lie I will answer the charges. Nothing that a liar like yourself has to say is of any real interest, Arlon. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 2, 2018 19:50:40 GMT
I answer charges against me. If you tell me what you think I said that you believe is a lie I will answer the charges. Nothing that a liar like yourself has to say is of any real interest, Arlon. It appears you are not making any argument at all to support your claim that I lied. Should anyone be surprised? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 21:07:26 GMT
Nothing that a liar like yourself has to say is of any real interest, Arlon. It appears you are not making any argument at all to support your claim that I lied. Should anyone be surprised? Nothing that a liar like yourself has to say is of any real interest, Arlon. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2018 2:43:18 GMT
Yes I agree but spirituality and religion isn't the same thing. When people are trying to claim their religion is better than another one it has nothing do with spirituality. It's more about specific teachings and beliefs taken as facts. If I were to say that I don't believe the virgin birth of Jesus actually happened historically and then certain Christians tell me I'm wrong, they would have no evidence to show why I would be wrong in my belief just like they would have no evidence for their belief that a virgin birth actually did happen. I dont seperate religion and spirituality, my religion is a spiritual system.
And this is why I do not claim my religion is better than anyone elses, which is back on the point that as none of it canbe proven objectively then none of it is better than any other instance in an obective fashion
Well they can be different and even be defined differently. When I stopped being religious my spirituality grew even more so I knew there was a distinction even if not everyone sees it that way. |
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Post by gadreel on Sept 3, 2018 2:50:43 GMT
I dont seperate religion and spirituality, my religion is a spiritual system.
And this is why I do not claim my religion is better than anyone elses, which is back on the point that as none of it canbe proven objectively then none of it is better than any other instance in an obective fashion
Well they can be different and even be defined differently. When I stopped being religious my spirituality grew even more so I knew there was a distinction even if not everyone sees it that way. To be fair you are 10% correct. I should have been more clear *I* don't separate religion and spirituality, *my* religions is a spiritual system. Yes for most people there is a distinction, I lament that religion is separate from spirituality. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2018 5:47:52 GMT
That is interesting, however the "Jesus' Body was stolen from the tomb" or "The witnesses lied or hallucinated" argument would only be used if assuming Jesus (that we know of based from Christianity's teachings) actually existed. We all might admit to there being an empty tomb because that was how the story of the Ressurrection was told and passed down, but not all scholars admit to the same account of Jesus' historical existence and that is mainly because there is not much credible mention of Jesus Christ outside of the Bible or Christian related documents. The Resurrection can easily be seen as a story told by Christians to promote their own religious beliefs. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2018 5:49:01 GMT
Well they can be different and even be defined differently. When I stopped being religious my spirituality grew even more so I knew there was a distinction even if not everyone sees it that way. To be fair you are 10% correct. I should have been more clear *I* don't separate religion and spirituality, *my* religions is a spiritual system. Yes for most people there is a distinction, I lament that religion is separate from spirituality. Only 10%? :/ |
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Post by gadreel on Sept 3, 2018 21:09:33 GMT
To be fair you are 10% correct. I should have been more clear *I* don't separate religion and spirituality, *my* religions is a spiritual system. Yes for most people there is a distinction, I lament that religion is separate from spirituality. Only 10%? :/ hahahahahahahahahahaa
Sorry 100 was my intention, typo. At least that is my story and I am sticking to it.
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Post by captainbryce on Sept 4, 2018 0:38:11 GMT
To me there is only one force of creation, different cultures have crafted onto this force their own beliefs and way of life and created their own "gods" to which they ascribe their own convictions and morals. That doesn't (to me) change the fact that black is black even if it's called Noir in french, the name does not change the thing. Okay, but that still doesn’t demonstrate that your belief is correct. Because even though you consider it all different versions of the same thing, other religions consider our beliefs blasphemy. So I would an objective person determined which religious claims are true and which ones are false? |
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Post by islandmur on Sept 4, 2018 0:46:45 GMT
To me there is only one force of creation, different cultures have crafted onto this force their own beliefs and way of life and created their own "gods" to which they ascribe their own convictions and morals. That doesn't (to me) change the fact that black is black even if it's called Noir in french, the name does not change the thing. Okay, but that still doesn’t demonstrate that your belief is correct. Because even though you consider it all different versions of the same thing, other religions consider our beliefs blasphemy. So I would an objective person determined which religious claims are true and which ones are false? The point is all religions are wrong. All were made by men. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 23:52:21 GMT
Okay, but that still doesn’t demonstrate that your belief is correct. Because even though you consider it all different versions of the same thing, other religions consider our beliefs blasphemy. So I would an objective person determined which religious claims are true and which ones are false? The point is all religions are wrong. All were made by men. At first when I read that I took it as a sexist comment as if you were implying religions are wrong because they weren't made by women. 😂 |
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