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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 10:32:27 GMT
Actually, Jesus never mentioned homosexuality, so you cannot say that Jesus disapproved of homosexual behavior. You can only extrapolate that Jesus MAY HAVE felt one way or another based on the written words of others - but since Jesus never mentioned homosexuality, how would anyone else know his thoughts on it? Also, everyone needs to realize that the political atmosphere that the different books of the bible were written in (written by men, mind you) would have dictated what was put in and included in the bible. So, to truly understand anything the bible says, you would need to have a firm understanding of history - specifically the historical atmosphere the men who wrote the bible were living in. This includes the men who presided over the countless re-writes of the bible - such as King James. Different translations are not "re-writes". Just because the way something is expressed changes doesn't mean that the meaning changes. Jesus is Lord and as God he disapproved of homosexuality. That remains true after his return to Heaven. Silence doesn't mean consent, so that his not mentioning homosexuality doesn't mean he approved of it. modifying the bible = rewrite. But anyway, you are attempting to use an ancient book - written in much different times than the one we live in - to justify the wholesale discrimination of the entire LGBTQ community. You don't know what Jesus thought about homosexuality because he NEVER spoke about it. So, maybe you should quit trying to shove your own opinions own Jesus's throat?
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Post by awhina on Feb 21, 2017 10:51:11 GMT
Different translations are not "re-writes". Just because the way something is expressed changes doesn't mean that the meaning changes. Jesus is Lord and as God he disapproved of homosexuality. That remains true after his return to Heaven. Silence doesn't mean consent, so that his not mentioning homosexuality doesn't mean he approved of it. modifying the bible = rewrite. But anyway, you are attempting to use an ancient book - written in much different times than the one we live in - to justify the wholesale discrimination of the entire LGBTQ community. You don't know what Jesus thought about homosexuality because he NEVER spoke about it. So, maybe you should quit trying to shove your own opinions own Jesus's throat? Translation does not mean modification. I have worked as a translator, I know that. Jesus's silence about homosexuality doesn't mean he approved as I said. You can be as stubborn about it as you eish but that remains true.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 12:45:20 GMT
modifying the bible = rewrite. But anyway, you are attempting to use an ancient book - written in much different times than the one we live in - to justify the wholesale discrimination of the entire LGBTQ community. You don't know what Jesus thought about homosexuality because he NEVER spoke about it. So, maybe you should quit trying to shove your own opinions own Jesus's throat? Translation does not mean modification. I have worked as a translator, I know that. Jesus's silence about homosexuality doesn't mean he approved as I said. You can be as stubborn about it as you eish but that remains true. You can think you are correct all you want....doesn't change how wrong you are.
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Post by j2 on Feb 21, 2017 16:07:45 GMT
Translation does not mean modification. I have worked as a translator, I know that. Jesus's silence about homosexuality doesn't mean he approved as I said. You can be as stubborn about it as you eish but that remains true. You can think you are correct all you want....doesn't change how wrong you are. Could you tell me why you are sure awhina is wrong about this?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 4:42:04 GMT
You can think you are correct all you want....doesn't change how wrong you are. Could you tell me why you are sure awhina is wrong about this? I pretty much spell it out in my other posts in this thread.
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Post by j2 on Feb 22, 2017 8:38:12 GMT
Could you tell me why you are sure awhina is wrong about this? I pretty much spell it out in my other posts in this thread. Okay. As I see it, what you have said here so far doesn't make awhina necessarily wrong. It does place forth some questions, but from how I see it it doesn't make her necessarily wrong. That's why I asked.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 7:39:17 GMT
Ok, no problem. I guess I should have said IMO when I said she was wrong.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Feb 23, 2017 7:46:23 GMT
Of course it doesn't.
Only stupid people think that it does.
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Post by ChaosMonster on Feb 23, 2017 7:55:50 GMT
You should be more respectful of awhinas beliefs. Who are you to put words into Gods mouth? Jesus never said those things, you blaspheme. Thank you Morgaine! Jesus never swore aside from anything else. I was just kidding around. You showed in my gay marriage thread that you're one of those 'Christians' who gets mad that other people are not more tolerant of your intolerance. I think you're a bigot who has no clue about Jesus at all. A person who tries to use Jesus to justify hatred and bigotry is as far away from Jesus as you can get. You should talk to someone else. Your comments in the other thread make it clear you're not a person I want to have interactions with.
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Post by awhina on Feb 23, 2017 8:07:53 GMT
Thank you Morgaine! Jesus never swore aside from anything else. I was just kidding around. You showed in my gay marriage thread that you're one of those 'Christians' who gets mad that other people are not more tolerant of your intolerance. I think you're a bigot who has no clue about Jesus at all. A person who tries to use Jesus to justify hatred and bigotry is as far away from Jesus as you can get. You should talk to someone else. Your comments in the other thread make it clear you're not a person I want to have interactions with. Charmed I'm sure. What an intolerant old lady you are!
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Post by ChaosMonster on Feb 23, 2017 8:10:21 GMT
I was just kidding around. You showed in my gay marriage thread that you're one of those 'Christians' who gets mad that other people are not more tolerant of your intolerance. I think you're a bigot who has no clue about Jesus at all. A person who tries to use Jesus to justify hatred and bigotry is as far away from Jesus as you can get. You should talk to someone else. Your comments in the other thread make it clear you're not a person I want to have interactions with. Charmed I'm sure. What an intolerant old lady you are! Sorry, I don't think anyone who really loves Jesus could be tolerant of your views about gay people. You want people to be tolerant of your intolerance? You are not a Christian.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 8:49:42 GMT
You should be more respectful of awhinas beliefs. Who are you to put words into Gods mouth? Jesus never said those things, you blaspheme. Thank you Morgaine! Jesus never swore aside from anything else. Yeah? Early days yet... wait until he meets you.
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Post by awhina on Feb 23, 2017 8:53:35 GMT
Charmed I'm sure. What an intolerant old lady you are! Sorry, I don't think anyone who really loves Jesus could be tolerant of your views about gay people. You want people to be tolerant of your intolerance? You are not a Christian. Of course I am a Christian and I am not a door mat. I will not put up with your spite, especially as I now know who you actually are OldSamVimes.
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Post by ChaosMonster on Feb 23, 2017 8:58:59 GMT
Of course I am a Christian and I am not a door mat. I will not put up with your spitr. I don't think you're a Christian, I think you're a bigoted angry person. Looks like most other people here don't like you either.
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Post by awhina on Feb 23, 2017 9:53:24 GMT
Of course I am a Christian and I am not a door mat. I will not put up with your spitr. I don't think you're a Christian, I think you're a bigoted angry person. Looks like most other people here don't like you either. You sound like the mean girl at school chanting "nobody likes you".
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Post by ChaosMonster on Feb 23, 2017 10:18:02 GMT
I don't think you're a Christian, I think you're a bigoted angry person. Looks like most other people here don't like you either. You sound like the mean girl at school chanting "nobody likes you". Your comments in the other thread make it clear you're not a person I want to have interactions with. I'll copy and paste it again for you if you want.
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Post by awhina on Feb 23, 2017 10:25:02 GMT
You sound like the mean girl at school chanting "nobody likes you". Your comments in the other thread make it clear you're not a person I want to have interactions with. I'll copy and paste it again for you if you want. Heather? Jessica? Chelsea? Whatevah! You're dumped.
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