Eλευθερί
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Post by Eλευθερί on Sept 12, 2018 2:29:40 GMT
Ah, so you're an expert on the Gospel, are you? Never said I was... Just not an asshole who has too add shit to a story so I can make a moronic point. You mean the story from a different author that you didn't cite?  Once again... Because you're a moron... I never said that it wasn't applicable. Just that it doesn't inherently define his action as being done in anger... as that IS NOT PART OF THE DEFINITION. I didn't say you didn't say it wasn't applicable. Go back and read what I wrote. I said you were not convinced that it was applicable. Mark & Matthew relate the same essential story here, regardless of who the authors were. Many interpreters/editors title the passage in Matthew along the lines of "The Cursing of the Fig Tree." There is even a whole Wikipedia article that is so titled. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cursing_the_fig_treeIn French & Spanish, they also say "cursed" or "damned": "Pierre, se rappelant ce qui s’était passé, dit à Jésus : Rabbi, regarde, le figuier que tu as maudit a séché." "Entonces Pedro acordándose, le dice: Maestro, he aquí la higuera que maldijiste, se ha secado." |
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Post by amyghost on Sept 12, 2018 2:29:47 GMT
Coming from the scholar who can't explain that 'self-evident metaphor' (or even quote the alleged 'other two explanations for it' that have --he claims--appeared on this thread) no matter how many times he's asked.Hey, moron... Read the thread above yours... It's being explained to you for a third time, by yet another poster... Would you like me to just quote all three for you?
Oh.. if intelligence could be defined by looks... You'd be waaaaaaaayyyyy uglier than Frankenstein's monster.  He'd be like "Daaaaammn, bitch!!! You be ug-laaaaayyyy!!" I've already tossed those quotes you couldn't find up there. I've also given my opinion of their worth. It's always easy to see when you're arguing with a loser on the internet--he's always the first one to resort to the profanity, the ad-hominem insults, and the five-year old 'humor' to distract onlookers from seeing he's as empty as the words he types. So far you're batting a thousand on all three counts, sonny. |
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Post by Vegas on Sept 12, 2018 2:33:09 GMT
Never said I was... Just not an asshole who has too add shit to a story so I can make a moronic point. You mean the story from a different author that you didn't cite? Once again... Because you're a moron... I never said that it wasn't applicable. Just that it doesn't inherently define his action as being done in anger... as that IS NOT PART OF THE DEFINITION. I didn't say you didn't say it wasn't applicable. Go back and read what I wrote. I said you were not convinced that it was applicable. Well, hell... That's still just not an accurate statement.  But, hey... Whatever floats your boat. |
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Post by Vegas on Sept 12, 2018 2:37:26 GMT
Hey, moron... Read the thread above yours... It's being explained to you for a third time, by yet another poster... Would you like me to just quote all three for you?
Oh.. if intelligence could be defined by looks... You'd be waaaaaaaayyyyy uglier than Frankenstein's monster. He'd be like "Daaaaammn, bitch!!! You be ug-laaaaayyyy!!" I've already tossed those quote you couldn't find up there. I've also given my opinion of their worth. it's always easy to see when you're arguing with a loser on the internet--he's always the first one to resort to the profanity, the ad-hominem insults, and the five-year old 'humor' to distract onlookers from seeing he's as empty as the words he types. So far you're batting a thousand on all three counts, sonny. Yup... You nailed it!  You being an ignorant twat is just a pure coincidence.... and trying to deal with your ignorant ass with profanity is just a coping mechanism. |
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Post by amyghost on Sept 12, 2018 2:38:53 GMT
I didn't say you didn't say it wasn't applicable. Go back and read what I wrote. I said you were not convinced that it was applicable. Well, hell... That's still just not an accurate statement. But, hey... Whatever floats your boat. Oh gosh, Eλευθερί--looks like he really told you there  . |
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Post by amyghost on Sept 12, 2018 2:39:45 GMT
I've already tossed those quote you couldn't find up there. I've also given my opinion of their worth. it's always easy to see when you're arguing with a loser on the internet--he's always the first one to resort to the profanity, the ad-hominem insults, and the five-year old 'humor' to distract onlookers from seeing he's as empty as the words he types. So far you're batting a thousand on all three counts, sonny. Yup... You nailed it! You being an ignorant twat is just a pure coincidence.... and trying to deal with your ignorant ass with profanity is just a coping mechanism. Yeah, you did nail it alright. At least you're not shy about letting others know the quality of mind they're up against. |
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Post by Vegas on Sept 12, 2018 2:40:46 GMT
Well, hell... That's still just not an accurate statement. But, hey... Whatever floats your boat. You know how you can really tell a loser on the internet? They plead for approval from other posters. |
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Post by amyghost on Sept 12, 2018 2:43:02 GMT
Oh gosh, Eλευθερί--looks like he really told you there . You know how you can really tell a loser on the internet? They plead for approval from other posters. And you'd know about approval how, again? I mean, golly...you ought to be happy. I was letting Eλευθερί know he couldn't hope to win against your scintillating intellect. |
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Post by Vegas on Sept 12, 2018 2:43:42 GMT
Yup... You nailed it! You being an ignorant twat is just a pure coincidence.... and trying to deal with your ignorant ass with profanity is just a coping mechanism. Yeah, you did nail it alright. At least you're not shy about letting others know the quality of mind they're up against. Holy shit!! I take my last post back.... You know how you can really tell a real internet loser? They resort to hackneyed "I know you are, but what am I?" posts. Jesus, get your own material, you dipshitted hack.  |
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Post by amyghost on Sept 12, 2018 2:46:14 GMT
Well, that was clear as mud. I'm sure you think that about water, as well. Air probably confuses you. When it's the air leaking out of your head, yes, it does. |
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Post by amyghost on Sept 12, 2018 2:48:25 GMT
Yeah, you did nail it alright. At least you're not shy about letting others know the quality of mind they're up against. Holy shit!! I take my last post back.... You know how you can really tell a real internet loser? They resort to hackneyed "I know you are, but what am I?" posts. Jesus, get your own material, you dipshitted hack. Let's see...if we took the words 'shit', 'ass', twat' and 'jesus' out of your vocabulary, you'd be rendered speechless. Yep, you definitely sound like a real live Christer to me  . |
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Post by thefleetsin on Sept 12, 2018 2:52:40 GMT
what would the navi do
sitting behind
a giant vacuum cleaner
sucking up resources
like there
was no tomorrow
has to be
the main reason why
any intelligent form of life
long ago
bypassed our planet
and tagged it with
a gigantic foreclosure sign
stating
in fifty thousand years
this can be used
as
a recycled uranium mine
unless that is
our military industrial complex
can still make a dime
pretending
everything is okay fine
while committing
the most
heinous of crimes.
sjw 09/11/18 inspired at this very moment in time by but but but but ...
from the 'blitzkrieg series' of poems
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Post by Vegas on Sept 12, 2018 2:53:59 GMT
You know how you can really tell a loser on the internet? They plead for approval from other posters. And you'd know about approval how, again? I mean, golly...you ought to be happy. I was letting Eλευθερί know he couldn't hope to win against your scintillating intellect. I'm sure that you can convince yourself of anything... So have fun in your Wonderful World Of Dip-shitted Delusion |
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Post by Vegas on Sept 12, 2018 2:55:25 GMT
I'm sure you think that about water, as well. Air probably confuses you. You hired a 6-year old retarded child to write your comebacks for you? That's awesome. Good for you.  |
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 12, 2018 3:08:12 GMT
Ding ding ding, we have a winner! Bear fruit (produce) or die. It's not enough to just look good. KLS's explanation also occurred to me even before I read her post. But something more crossed my mind.
While religious people will readily disagree with me at the moment, one has to acknowledge that such metaphors may be mistranslated by even many religious people.
Interesting article, AJ. It's a damn good thing I wasn't born back in those times since I never wanted children or had them. They would have burned me as a witch, especially when one throws in my penchant for keeping cats. I made a conscious decision to not have children, in part because I knew I would be passing on faulty genetics, since so many of my female relatives died of breast cancer, and I was diagnosed at age 35. Chemo killed my ovaries so I never had to worry about birth control again. There were other reasons that I didn't want children, and I have never regretted my decision to not have them. There are enough people in this world right now, and hopefully people who really want children and know how to raise them are having them. Every child deserves good parents. |
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 12, 2018 3:12:29 GMT
KLS's explanation also occurred to me even before I read her post. But something more crossed my mind.
While religious people will readily disagree with me at the moment, one has to acknowledge that such metaphors may be mistranslated by even many religious people.
Interesting article, AJ. It's a damn good thing I wasn't born back in those times since I never wanted children or had them. They would have burned me as a witch, especially when one throws in my penchant for keeping cats. I made a conscious decision to not have children, in part because I knew I would be passing on faulty genetics, since so many of my female relatives died of breast cancer, and I was diagnosed at age 35. Chemo killed my ovaries so I never had to worry about birth control again. There were other reasons that I didn't want children, and I have never regretted my decision to not have them. There are enough people in this world right now, and hopefully people who really want children and know how to raise them are having them. Every child deserves good parents. Sorry about your experiences, Rachel. Yeah I agree that people who believe they do not want children should not have so just because of social expectations. Thankfully, society (at least developed ones) has started accepting childless people in last 100 years or so. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2018 3:14:21 GMT
BTW: That's a good perspective too. I picked up the metaphor of the fig tree as representing life and in a sense the fig tree that Jesus went up to was no longer representing what it was meant for so there was no longer any purpose for it. The fig tree can also represent us, or more specifically the Jews at that time, because even though they practiced religious law and even appeared religious they lost the purpose of why they were worshiping God. They weren't "spiritually fruitful" (which indicates faithfulness, love, kindness or anything representing God) Similar to how the fig tree was "unfruitful" and no longer representing or giving what it was meant for. I think this story also specifically describes God's judgement towards people who lack this purpose in their so-called "good" actions, and the term "curse" is more closely related to the act of casting judgement on something and not exactly swearing or yelling at it. The comment Jesus makes about throwing the mountain into the sea demonstrates how much we as human beings lack faith and how much we aren't able to fully comprehend the power of faith.One of those quotes you can't seem to find...the other one is just above in this thread. Problem is, all that attractive gobbleydegook has very little to do with the story proper of Jesus cursing the fig tree for its lack of fruit, and Jesus--who certainly loved to spin a parable, and was seldom shy about letting his followers know he was doing so (or chastising them as stupid when they didn't get it, though I don't think he called them 'twats' precisely) gives no indication in the text that his actions are in any way meant to be taken as such. He pulls the face-saving business of letcuring his disciples on the efficacy of prayer the next day, but I'm not willing to let the two halves of the story off as a single event. It's plain enough Jesus acted in anger, and likely enough felt it necessary to use an otherwise embarrassing gaffe as a teaching tool. It's a straightforward little glimpse into Jesus' fallible humanity that Christers have to paper over with lots of 'deep thinks' rhetoric to obscure the fact that their hero was a man, with the faults, failings, foibles and temperament of a man. Not a god. Just a man. When you say "quotes you can't find" do you mean what I'm quoting "spiritually fruitful" in my post? Im referencing it to this verse: Galatians 5:22-23 :
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.Fruit is used in a spiritual sense here and I saw the connection between that and the fruit of the fig tree. So many other verses in the Bible show how the fig tree is metaphorical so I thought that would help represent the metaphor more. The literal fig tree itself isn't so important in these stories, but the physical state of the fig tree is important when teaching the metaphor. Also, you're analyzing this as if it were a true story in a literal sense. To me it's a just a story showing a metaphorical truth. If you believe this was an actual historical event than I could understand your point more. I also understand why someone would wonder why Jesus would kill a tree just because it didn't have fruit. It would be seen unnecessary to physically kill a tree just to teach a point, but telling a story about someone killing a tree and what the tree represents without actually harming any tree in the process could still effectively get the message across. |
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 12, 2018 3:45:11 GMT
Interesting article, AJ. It's a damn good thing I wasn't born back in those times since I never wanted children or had them. They would have burned me as a witch, especially when one throws in my penchant for keeping cats. I made a conscious decision to not have children, in part because I knew I would be passing on faulty genetics, since so many of my female relatives died of breast cancer, and I was diagnosed at age 35. Chemo killed my ovaries so I never had to worry about birth control again. There were other reasons that I didn't want children, and I have never regretted my decision to not have them. There are enough people in this world right now, and hopefully people who really want children and know how to raise them are having them. Every child deserves good parents. Sorry about your experiences, Rachel. Yeah I agree that people who believe they do not want children should not have so just because of social expectations. Thankfully, society (at least developed ones) has started accepting childless people in last 100 years or so. Thanks, AJ. Cancer sucks. BUT... this Labor Day holiday marked my 30th year in remission! Advances in medical science has extended my life far beyond what my genetics dictated.  Yes, some people just know they shouldn't have kids and are going against social expectations. I'm still looked at oddly for being childless, in a society that is very child-oriented. But I have always been 'different' - as in 'atheist in a crowd of theists' - and an artist, so being looked at oddly doesn't bother me in the least. |
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Post by amyghost on Sept 12, 2018 11:41:29 GMT
And you'd know about approval how, again? I mean, golly...you ought to be happy. I was letting Eλευθερί know he couldn't hope to win against your scintillating intellect. I'm sure that you can convince yourself of anything... So have fun in your Wonderful World Of Dip-shitted Delusion Y'know, I have to apologize. Seriously. I really misjudged you. I mean, looking at the masterful handling of language, the clarity of thought, and the really subtle use of, er, metaphor on your part convinces me--I'm dealing with a true biblical scholar--no, a true scholar of all things in general. I am impressed. Truly. |
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Post by amyghost on Sept 12, 2018 11:42:39 GMT
When it's the air leaking out of your head, yes, it does. You hired a 6-year old retarded child to write your comebacks for you? That's awesome. Good for you. Yes, the three year old you have under contract was already spoken for, I'm afraid. |
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